Abortion: A Father's Right to Choose

[The Scandinvans]

I love being the one who does the confronting and abortion is ever so fun of topic. Also, I just checked one of the giant biology books in my room (I have no real life) and a fetus are not defined as a parasite by any of them. So it seems your liberal propaganda will not work on my books from the 50s.

Of course it isn't defined as parasitic. I simply call it one as in a non-scientific, casual sense because I perceive it as such.

A'course, getting paid by the Dishonest Liberal Media to turn everyone into baby-devouring, America hating, Obama Worshipping, Debt-spewing, godless communists is a good motivator too...

Do not worry my faith in the almighty dollar will save me from you! Also, my religion will save me!

*Summons Vikings to defend the one true God, ME!!!*

[Ravea]

I do understand biology. Something that offers no benefit (genetic legacy isn't necessarily a benefit, although it isn't necessarily a detriment either) and taxes the system of its host is parasitic. Now, the extent to which a fetus is parasitic isn't quite the same as a tapeworm, I'll grant you, but still.

Though as for the last bit, that doesn't stop humans (and dolphins) from having sex just because it feels good.

That said, I like you. You're cool.

Thats the flawed predicate in your logic. You wrongly assume that the fetus "offers no benefit" to the mother. Sure it taxes the host. But you are wrong to state that it offers NO benefit to the mother. Don't believe me? Ask yours (if you can).

What benefits does the physical pregnancy actually bring the mother, out of curiosity?

[SaintB]

I do understand biology. Something that offers no benefit (genetic legacy isn't necessarily a benefit, although it isn't necessarily a detriment either) and taxes the system of its host is parasitic. Now, the extent to which a fetus is parasitic isn't quite the same as a tapeworm, I'll grant you, but still.

Though as for the last bit, that doesn't stop humans (and dolphins) from having sex just because it feels good.

That said, I like you. You're cool.

Thats the flawed predicate in your logic. You wrongly assume that the fetus "offers no benefit" to the mother. Sure it taxes the host. But you are wrong to state that it offers NO benefit to the mother. Don't believe me? Ask yours (if you can).

What benefits does the physical pregnancy actually bring the mother, out of curiosity?

Bigger boobs.

KiloMikeAlpha still hasn't responded to the last reply I made to his argument; better hurry I have to work so I will be hitting the sack soon.

[Ravea]

Thats the flawed predicate in your logic. You wrongly assume that the fetus "offers no benefit" to the mother. Sure it taxes the host. But you are wrong to state that it offers NO benefit to the mother. Don't believe me? Ask yours (if you can).

What benefits does the physical pregnancy actually bring the mother, out of curiosity?

Bigger boobs.

I was under the impression pregnancy gave women bigger everything.

[Desperate Measures]

I do understand biology. Something that offers no benefit (genetic legacy isn't necessarily a benefit, although it isn't necessarily a detriment either) and taxes the system of its host is parasitic. Now, the extent to which a fetus is parasitic isn't quite the same as a tapeworm, I'll grant you, but still.

Though as for the last bit, that doesn't stop humans (and dolphins) from having sex just because it feels good.

That said, I like you. You're cool.

Thats the flawed predicate in your logic. You wrongly assume that the fetus "offers no benefit" to the mother. Sure it taxes the host. But you are wrong to state that it offers NO benefit to the mother. Don't believe me? Ask yours (if you can).

What benefits does the physical pregnancy actually bring the mother, out of curiosity?

Fatter feet.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

I do understand biology. Something that offers no benefit (genetic legacy isn't necessarily a benefit, although it isn't necessarily a detriment either) and taxes the system of its host is parasitic. Now, the extent to which a fetus is parasitic isn't quite the same as a tapeworm, I'll grant you, but still.

Though as for the last bit, that doesn't stop humans (and dolphins) from having sex just because it feels good.

That said, I like you. You're cool.

Thats the flawed predicate in your logic. You wrongly assume that the fetus "offers no benefit" to the mother. Sure it taxes the host. But you are wrong to state that it offers NO benefit to the mother. Don't believe me? Ask yours (if you can).

What benefits does the physical pregnancy actually bring the mother, out of curiosity?

Grand-children. Nuff said.

Seriously, I dont have the books in front of me, but there are a whole hosts of things that a pregnancy brings. Not the least of it is children. I'm sure that SOME women, if given the chance, would elect to gain children by some other means than passing a bowling ball through a golf ball sized orfice, but as far as I know, it is (of course other than C-section) the only way to bring children into the world.

[The Scandinvans]

I do understand biology. Something that offers no benefit (genetic legacy isn't necessarily a benefit, although it isn't necessarily a detriment either) and taxes the system of its host is parasitic. Now, the extent to which a fetus is parasitic isn't quite the same as a tapeworm, I'll grant you, but still.

Though as for the last bit, that doesn't stop humans (and dolphins) from having sex just because it feels good.

That said, I like you. You're cool.

Thats the flawed predicate in your logic. You wrongly assume that the fetus "offers no benefit" to the mother. Sure it taxes the host. But you are wrong to state that it offers NO benefit to the mother. Don't believe me? Ask yours (if you can).

What benefits does the physical pregnancy actually bring the mother, out of curiosity?

The ability to eat ice cream and chocolate without social stigma.

[The Scandinvans]

Stop it is Wiki time.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

KiloMikeAlpha still hasn't responded to the last reply I made to his argument; better hurry I have to work so I will be hitting the sack soon.

I didnt see you say anything. refer me back to the post and I'll respond.

[Ravea]

Thats the flawed predicate in your logic. You wrongly assume that the fetus "offers no benefit" to the mother. Sure it taxes the host. But you are wrong to state that it offers NO benefit to the mother. Don't believe me? Ask yours (if you can).

What benefits does the physical pregnancy actually bring the mother, out of curiosity?

Grand-children. Nuff said.

Seriously, I dont have the books in front of me, but there are a whole hosts of things that a pregnancy brings. Not the least of it is children. I'm sure that SOME women, if given the chance, would elect to gain children by some other means than passing a bowling ball through a golf ball sized orfice, but as far as I know, it is (of course other than C-section) the only way to bring children into the world.

But what if a women doesn't want to have, can't support, or was raped for that child to come into being? Wouldn't that be ground for termination? It is her body, after all.

And "Grandchildren" is not a sufficient reason.

[SaintB]

KiloMikeAlpha still hasn't responded to the last reply I made to his argument; better hurry I have to work so I will be hitting the sack soon.

I didnt see you say anything. refer me back to the post and I'll respond.

All the way back on page 3.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

But what if a women doesn't want to have, can't support, or was raped for that child to come into being? Wouldn't that be ground for termination? It is her body, after all.

I'm actually on the fence here.

What mother would let her child be killed and save herself? The only way I would support abortion in this case would be if the child would certainly die anyways.

Cant Support? Put up for adoption.

Raped? Why should the child have to die for the actions of the father? Adoption here too. (Not advocating rape.... I would castrate males accused of CERTAIN rapes)

[Vectrova]

I love being the one who does the confronting and abortion is ever so fun of topic. Also, I just checked one of the giant biology books in my room (I have no real life) and a fetus are not defined as a parasite by any of them. So it seems your liberal propaganda will not work on my books from the 50s.

Of course it isn't defined as parasitic. I simply call it one as in a non-scientific, casual sense because I perceive it as such.

A'course, getting paid by the Dishonest Liberal Media to turn everyone into baby-devouring, America hating, Obama Worshipping, Debt-spewing, godless communists is a good motivator too...

Do not worry my faith in the almighty dollar will save me from you! Also, my religion will save me!

*Summons Vikings to defend the one true God, ME!!!*

I do believe we're spamming at this point, so let's cut it out, yeah?

Back to the threadjack, KiloMikeAlpha, I already addressed genetic legacy as neither positive nor negative. My sympathies if you did not see that prior to posting. If you seriously want to debate a fetus' status as a parasite, at least list some positives beyond aforementioned genetic legacy.

[Desperate Measures]

But what if a women doesn't want to have, can't support, or was raped for that child to come into being? Wouldn't that be ground for termination? It is her body, after all.

I'm actually on the fence here.

What mother would let her child be killed and save herself? The only way I would support abortion in this case would be if the child would certainly die anyways.

Cant Support? Put up for adoption.

Raped? Why should the child have to die for the actions of the father? Adoption here too. (Not advocating rape.... I would castrate males accused of CERTAIN rapes)

I'm kind of confused about where this fence lies that you are supposedly on.

[Ravea]

But what if a women doesn't want to have, can't support, or was raped for that child to come into being? Wouldn't that be ground for termination? It is her body, after all.

I'm actually on the fence here.

What mother would let her child be killed and save herself? The only way I would support abortion in this case would be if the child would certainly die anyways.

Cant Support? Put up for adoption.

Raped? Why should the child have to die for the actions of the father? Adoption here too. (Not advocating rape.... I would castrate males accused of CERTAIN rapes)

Well, under your reasoning, since we need more people, aborting to save the mother's life give the mother more chances to procreate, yes?

And, honestly, if I was a women and my body was violated, I would think that I had every right to abort something that was violently FORCED upon me and never wanted in the first place.

I just don't think we really need any more people to being with. Sex education is really where it's at, though if a women chooses to abort, it is HER choice, and HER body.

It also depends on if you believe that "life" begins at conception or at some point in mid-pregnancy.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

It absolutely affects me. I am a father of 2 teenage girls. I am affected by them killing my posterity just as all of those in humanity are affected by the loss of that potential.

In that case you can voice your opinion to your pregnant teenage slut all you want. But you can't change her decision.

You say not everyone is going to get an abortion. Right. So it is OK if it is limited? If EVERYONE got one, it would be bad, right? So now we are talking about limits, and not the right to choose.

Balls in your court.

We are talking about the right to choose and not about limits. Most women go forward with their pregnancies, most women will continue to go on, and even if someone gets an abortion now they will very likely willingly have a child later on. Poking your nose into someone else's business unless it involves you is uncalled for, and wrong.

I used to have this same feeling. "No one but the Mother has the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not".

Now, I have grown up. I have seen things. I have had my children. I have seen the effects of abortion on women years later.

I have changed my views with time.

As for the poking nose into others business..... that sadens me. Where is the protection of those who cannot protect themselves? Are we so selfish and narcissistic that all we care about are ourselves? Do you ignore the gangs beating up the homeless man because it does not involve you? Do you turn the other way when you see a woman being raped, because it does not involve you?

If so, shame on you. Grow a pair. Stand up for the weak and voiceless.

[Desperate Measures]

Wanting to ask about the effects of abortion on woman in later years as compared to the effects of pregnancy. Needing to go to bed, however.


Please, if you really want to argue about abortion and whether it is right or wrong or anything else abortion related that is not related to the OP, please go here - viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8564

[Ravea]

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I used to have this same feeling. "No one but the Mother has the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not".

Now, I have grown up. I have seen things. I have had my children. I have seen the effects of abortion on women years later.

I have changed my views with time.

As for the poking nose into others business..... that sadens me. Where is the protection of those who cannot protect themselves? Are we so selfish and narcissistic that all we care about are ourselves? Do you ignore the gangs beating up the homeless man because it does not involve you? Do you turn the other way when you see a woman being raped, because it does not involve you?

If so, shame on you. Grow a pair. Stand up for the weak and voiceless.

I've seen the effects as well. The women I know have taken it in stride for the most part, and didn't let it tear them apart. Everyone takes it differently; don't generalize.

A fetus can't think for itself. It's not a person. It has no personality. Abortion cannot be compared to and has NOTHING to do with gang violence or rape.

For the sake of a stupid argument...What if Klara HItler had aborted lil' Adolf?

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Well, under your reasoning, since we need more people, aborting to save the mother's life give the mother more chances to procreate, yes?

And, honestly, if I was a women and my body was violated, I would think that I had every right to abort something that was violently FORCED upon me and never wanted in the first place.

I just don't think we really need any more people to being with. Sex education is really where it's at, though if a women chooses to abort, it is HER choice, and HER body.

It also depends on if you believe that "life" begins at conception or at some point in mid-pregnancy.

I never said we need more people. In my mind, the mother has lived her life, the child has not.

How well has sex education done for us?

So, what if we got it wrong about when life begins? I'd rather err on the side of "life begins at conception" and not condone murder then, "life begins at day 90, so killing the fetus before then is OK, but we still do late term abortions... umm..." and be guilty of murder when it comes time to be judged.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

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I used to have this same feeling. "No one but the Mother has the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not".

Now, I have grown up. I have seen things. I have had my children. I have seen the effects of abortion on women years later.

I have changed my views with time.

As for the poking nose into others business..... that sadens me. Where is the protection of those who cannot protect themselves? Are we so selfish and narcissistic that all we care about are ourselves? Do you ignore the gangs beating up the homeless man because it does not involve you? Do you turn the other way when you see a woman being raped, because it does not involve you?

If so, shame on you. Grow a pair. Stand up for the weak and voiceless.

I've seen the effects as well. The women I know have taken it in stride for the most part, and didn't let it tear them apart. Everyone takes it differently; don't generalize.

A fetus can't think for itself. It's not a person. It has no personality. Abortion cannot be compared to and has NOTHING to do with gang violence or rape.

For the sake of a stupid argument...What if Klara HItler had aborted lil' Adolf?

Are you absolutely sure?
Are you willing to gamble on some Liberal propaganda?
Are you sure the fetus feels no pain at 4 weeks?
Are you sure they cant think?
When does a fetus gain the ability to feel pain? When do they have a personality?

Do you feel lucky? Well, Do ya?

[Ravea]

Well, under your reasoning, since we need more people, aborting to save the mother's life give the mother more chances to procreate, yes?

And, honestly, if I was a women and my body was violated, I would think that I had every right to abort something that was violently FORCED upon me and never wanted in the first place.

I just don't think we really need any more people to being with. Sex education is really where it's at, though if a women chooses to abort, it is HER choice, and HER body.

It also depends on if you believe that "life" begins at conception or at some point in mid-pregnancy.

I never said we need more people. In my mind, the mother has lived her life, the child has not.

How well has sex education done for us?

So, what if we got it wrong about when life begins? I'd rather err on the side of "life begins at conception" and not condone murder then, "life begins at day 90, so killing the fetus before then is OK, but we still do late term abortions... umm..." and be guilty of murder when it comes time to be judged.

I'd say sex ed is a start, and needs to be vastly improved upon.

And you realize that a woman who is determined to get an abortion WILL get one, right? Didn't JFK say something about Abortion being safe, legal, and rare? I think instead of punishing a women by forcing her to carry a baby to term, or not letting her abort, we should improve education enough to that a pregnancy never occurs in the first place until a women is ready for it.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Wanting to ask about the effects of abortion on woman in later years as compared to the effects of pregnancy. Needing to go to bed, however.


Please, if you really want to argue about abortion and whether it is right or wrong or anything else abortion related that is not related to the OP, please go here - viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8564

Umm this post IS about abortion... how is this unrelated....

[Ravea]

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I used to have this same feeling. "No one but the Mother has the right to choose whether to have an abortion or not".

Now, I have grown up. I have seen things. I have had my children. I have seen the effects of abortion on women years later.

I have changed my views with time.

As for the poking nose into others business..... that sadens me. Where is the protection of those who cannot protect themselves? Are we so selfish and narcissistic that all we care about are ourselves? Do you ignore the gangs beating up the homeless man because it does not involve you? Do you turn the other way when you see a woman being raped, because it does not involve you?

If so, shame on you. Grow a pair. Stand up for the weak and voiceless.

I've seen the effects as well. The women I know have taken it in stride for the most part, and didn't let it tear them apart. Everyone takes it differently; don't generalize.

A fetus can't think for itself. It's not a person. It has no personality. Abortion cannot be compared to and has NOTHING to do with gang violence or rape.

For the sake of a stupid argument...What if Klara HItler had aborted lil' Adolf?

Are you absolutely sure?
Are you willing to gamble on some Liberal propaganda?
Are you sure the fetus feels no pain at 4 weeks?
Are you sure they cant think?
When does a fetus gain the ability to feel pain? When do they have a personality?

Do you feel lucky? Well, Do ya?

I am neither liberal or conservative, thank you very much. Both political spectrum generally disgust me.

Are you sure that a fetus does feel pain in 4 weeks, or can think, or whatever? Try to make an actual argument.

[Vectrova]

Wanting to ask about the effects of abortion on woman in later years as compared to the effects of pregnancy. Needing to go to bed, however.


Please, if you really want to argue about abortion and whether it is right or wrong or anything else abortion related that is not related to the OP, please go here - viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8564

Umm this post IS about abortion... how is this unrelated....

This topic is about the Father's Right to Choose bill, not Abortion. The thread I made (that Desperate Measures linked to) is.

[Ravea]

Wanting to ask about the effects of abortion on woman in later years as compared to the effects of pregnancy. Needing to go to bed, however.


Please, if you really want to argue about abortion and whether it is right or wrong or anything else abortion related that is not related to the OP, please go here - viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8564

Umm this post IS about abortion... how is this unrelated....

This thread is about a FATHER'S right to choose. Not abortion in general.