Gay and Christian

[Buffett and Colbert]

you are taking that out of context, let me explain.

You were the one who left out the sexist parts of this passage.

A family is an organization and to operate smoothly, it needs a head. Even Jesus has a head (or person above him, like a boss.) In 1 Corinthians 11:3 "The head of the Christ is God," just as "the Head of a woman is the man" (taken in terms of family)

In terms of family or not, it places women below men arbitrarily.

Imperfect men make mistakes and often fall far short of being ideal family (including the wife) heads. So, what should wives do?"

She should not belittle what her husband does or try to take over his headship. A wife does well to remember that in god's view, a quiet and mild spirit is of great value (1 peter 3:4 says "but let it be the secret person of the heart in the incorruptible [apparel] of the quiet and mild spirit, which is of great value in the eyes of God")

So even if the wife is actually responsible and cares for the family, she should not do what's best for it and continue to let the father "rule"?

By Displaying such spirit, she will find it easier to demonstrate godly subjection, even under trying circumstances.

But naturally she is the one that needs to fulfill this role to find godly subjection easier.

Further the bible says that the"wife should have deep respect for her husband." (Ephesians 5:33) in order that they may be won without a word through the conduct of their wives, because of having been eyewitness (the husband) to the chase conduct and deep respect of the wife. (1 peter 3:1,2 says "In like manner, You wives, be in subjection to your own husbands, in order that, if they are not obedient to the word, they may be won without a word through the conduct of their wives, because of being eyewitness of your chase conduct together with deep respect."

For example,

Although Abraham did not agree when his wife, Sarah, recommended a practical solution to a certain household problem, God told him: "Listen to her voice." (Genesis 21:9-12)

Wow. What a concession.

[Gagatron]

Christianity encourages obscurity, along with peacefulness and responsibility. It is alright for the woman to be submitted to the man, if the man is submitted to God. Submission encourages an attitude of spiritual quietness, where you are reverent for God, not the self.

Why can a woman not just submit to God as a man does? Why does she have to go through an extra 'layer' to meet God?

She can submit directly to God. But in a marriage situation the wife must submit to the man first, that way she won't be at odds with her own flesh, and therefore at odds spiritually.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Christianity encourages obscurity, along with peacefulness and responsibility. It is alright for the woman to be submitted to the man, if the man is submitted to God. Submission encourages an attitude of spiritual quietness, where you are reverent for God, not the self.

Why can a woman not just submit to God as a man does? Why does she have to go through an extra 'layer' to meet God?

Because women are inherently irresponsible and stupid and lack the spirituality of man. *nod*

[Gagatron]

Why can a woman not just submit to God as a man does? Why does she have to go through an extra 'layer' to meet God?

Because women are inherently irresponsible and stupid and lack the spirituality of man. *nod*

Thanks for trolling.

[Georgism]

She can submit directly to God. But in a marriage situation the wife must submit to the man first,

Why?

that way she won't be at odds with her own flesh

What does that mean?

[Gagatron]

She can submit directly to God. But in a marriage situation the wife must submit to the man first,

Why?

that way she won't be at odds with her own flesh

What does that mean?

Eve was formed directly out of Adams flesh. Therefore, in marriage, she is Adam's flesh. In marriage a wife becomes the man's flesh and blood. They unite. They are two opposite energies, molding together. The wife becomes a part of the husband, and the husband accepts the wife as apart of himself. This is the unity of marriage.

[Angleter]

Why?


What does that mean?

Eve was formed directly out of Adams flesh. Therefore, in marriage, she is Adam's flesh. In marriage a wife becomes the man's flesh and blood. They unite. They are two opposite energies, molding together. The wife becomes a part of the husband, and the husband accepts the wife as apart of himself. This is the unity of marriage.

Qué? Where have you plucked this from?

[The Parkus Empire]

Why can a woman not just submit to God as a man does? Why does she have to go through an extra 'layer' to meet God?

She can submit directly to God. But in a marriage situation the wife must submit to the man first, that way she won't be at odds with her own flesh, and therefore at odds spiritually.

What if the man is stupid or turns out to be a complete fuckhead?

[Waldo followers]

it is completly possible to be gay and still accepted in Gods kingdom
Jesus never said anything about hating gays
just extreamists (westburo baptist chruch) like to cut and paste what he said

[The Parkus Empire]

Why?


What does that mean?

Eve was formed directly out of Adams flesh. Therefore, in marriage, she is Adam's flesh. In marriage a wife becomes the man's flesh and blood. They unite. They are two opposite energies, molding together. The wife becomes a part of the husband, and the husband accepts the wife as apart of himself. This is the unity of marriage.

I think "one flesh" just means a little of the old in-out, in-out.

[Gagatron]

Eve was formed directly out of Adams flesh. Therefore, in marriage, she is Adam's flesh. In marriage a wife becomes the man's flesh and blood. They unite. They are two opposite energies, molding together. The wife becomes a part of the husband, and the husband accepts the wife as apart of himself. This is the unity of marriage.

Qué? Where have you plucked this from?

Genesis 2:21
So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep. While the man slept, the Lord God took out one of the man's ribs and closed up the opening. Then the Lord God made woman from the rib, and he brought her to the man.
"At last!" The man exclaimed.
'This one is bone from my bone,
And flesh from my flesh!
She will be called woman,
For she was taken from man."
This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.

[Angleter]

Qué? Where have you plucked this from?

Genesis 2:21
So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep. While the man slept, the Lord God took out one of the man's ribs and closed up the opening. Then the Lord God made woman from the rib, and he brought her to the man.
"At last!" The man exclaimed.
'This one is bone from my bone,
And flesh from my flesh!
She will be called woman,
For she was taken from man."
This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.

That doesn't say anything about the woman becoming 'part' of her husband. It merely says that they are united- the story explains why women exist and why she exists (as a companion to man). Of course, this is from the second Genesis creation story, the one which has about as much compatibility with science as Betamax with Blu-Ray.

[Gagatron]

Genesis 2:21
So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep. While the man slept, the Lord God took out one of the man's ribs and closed up the opening. Then the Lord God made woman from the rib, and he brought her to the man.
"At last!" The man exclaimed.
'This one is bone from my bone,
And flesh from my flesh!
She will be called woman,
For she was taken from man."
This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.

That doesn't say anything about the woman becoming 'part' of her husband. It merely says that they are united- the story explains why women exist and why she exists (as a companion to man). Of course, this is from the second Genesis creation story, the one which has about as much compatibility with science as Betamax with Blu-Ray.

I could find you Jesus' words if you'd like.

[Georgism]

Eve was formed directly out of Adams flesh.

His bone, actually.

Therefore, in marriage, she is Adam's flesh. In marriage a wife becomes the man's flesh and blood. They unite. They are two opposite energies, molding together. The wife becomes a part of the husband, and the husband accepts the wife as apart of himself. This is the unity of marriage.

How does this follow? Not every woman is Eve, not every man is Adam.

[Angleter]

That doesn't say anything about the woman becoming 'part' of her husband. It merely says that they are united- the story explains why women exist and why she exists (as a companion to man). Of course, this is from the second Genesis creation story, the one which has about as much compatibility with science as Betamax with Blu-Ray.

I could find you Jesus' words if you'd like.

By all means do show me Jesus' foray into the concept of 'opposite energies' and the woman becoming part of the man.

[Waldo followers]

I could find you Jesus' words if you'd like.

By all means do show me Jesus' foray into the concept of 'opposite energies' and the woman becoming part of the man.

by all means show us when the theory of evolution became fact

[Gagatron]

I could find you Jesus' words if you'd like.

By all means do show me Jesus' foray into the concept of 'opposite energies' and the woman becoming part of the man.

The opposite energies thing is something inspired by Taoism.

[Korr-Atel]

you are taking that out of context, let me explain.

You were the one who left out the sexist parts of this passage.

A family is an organization and to operate smoothly, it needs a head. Even Jesus has a head (or person above him, like a boss.) In 1 Corinthians 11:3 "The head of the Christ is God," just as "the Head of a woman is the man" (taken in terms of family)

In terms of family or not, it places women below men arbitrarily.

Imperfect men make mistakes and often fall far short of being ideal family (including the wife) heads. So, what should wives do?"

She should not belittle what her husband does or try to take over his headship. A wife does well to remember that in god's view, a quiet and mild spirit is of great value (1 peter 3:4 says "but let it be the secret person of the heart in the incorruptible [apparel] of the quiet and mild spirit, which is of great value in the eyes of God")

So even if the wife is actually responsible and cares for the family, she should not do what's best for it and continue to let the father "rule"?

By Displaying such spirit, she will find it easier to demonstrate godly subjection, even under trying circumstances.

But naturally she is the one that needs to fulfill this role to find godly subjection easier.

Further the bible says that the"wife should have deep respect for her husband." (Ephesians 5:33) in order that they may be won without a word through the conduct of their wives, because of having been eyewitness (the husband) to the chase conduct and deep respect of the wife. (1 peter 3:1,2 says "In like manner, You wives, be in subjection to your own husbands, in order that, if they are not obedient to the word, they may be won without a word through the conduct of their wives, because of being eyewitness of your chase conduct together with deep respect."

For example,

Although Abraham did not agree when his wife, Sarah, recommended a practical solution to a certain household problem, God told him: "Listen to her voice." (Genesis 21:9-12)

Wow. What a concession.

I did not post anything in order to change your mind about anything. I post it because i think that, and decided to voice it. My opinions, your opinions. They are just that, Mine and Yours.

If you are blind as to not see that everything has an order, that even the animal kingdom has its own hierarchy depending on the animal, and that even businesses and governments do too, and even in these the females are left aside under the male, without there being any kindness toward the female from the male, but to god, the one who set up the family and its unique organization, he values the female, wife, mother. Take the example i told you of Abraham and Sarah, god told Abraham "listen to her voice."

I must quote once again,

It is faithfulness, not whether a person is male or female that makes one precious to God. Psalm 101:6 says "My eyes are upon the faithful ones of the earth."

The bible says that a Husband that loves his wife loves himself. This is because a man and his wife "are no longer two, but one flesh" (Mathew 19:6) Meaning they are one body, one equal. There is just an organization to keep things orderly. God doesnt view man different from woman.

In Ephesians 5:28,29 it states "In this way, husbands (man) ought to be loving their wives (women) as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. for no man has ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it, as the Christ also does the congregation." Is it so bad that there was established an organization, a hierarchy, so that things would keep in order. and even with this order, the 'heads' are not to abuse of the ones under them.

also note that Colossians 3:19 says, "You husbands, keep on loving your wives and do not be bitterly angry with them."


All this only applies to MARRIAGE and not to men and women in general. Just to the married couple. And even though, the bible says in 1 Peter 2:17 "honor [men] of all sorts..." men here means mankind, in other words, women, boys, girls, elderly and everyone.

[Angleter]

By all means do show me Jesus' foray into the concept of 'opposite energies' and the woman becoming part of the man.

The opposite energies thing is something inspired by Taoism.

So it has sod-all to do with Christian theology, right. But do show me Jesus' words to back up your argument.

By all means do show me Jesus' foray into the concept of 'opposite energies' and the woman becoming part of the man.

by all means show us when the theory of evolution became fact

That we evolved from ape-like ancestors is pretty much a scientifically-accepted fact. As Kenneth R. Miller said: "Evolution is as much a fact as anything we know in science." The Catholic Church and many other popular and established denominations accept evolution, and I suggest you do too before the Dawkinsites bring you up on this one.

[Georgism]

By all means do show me Jesus' foray into the concept of 'opposite energies' and the woman becoming part of the man.

by all means show us when the theory of evolution became fact

You realise he's Catholic, right?

[Gagatron]

People, seriously, the creation story can be reconciled with evolution. EASILY.

[The Parkus Empire]

By all means do show me Jesus' foray into the concept of 'opposite energies' and the woman becoming part of the man.

by all means show us when the theory of evolution became fact

It has always been a fact, just like the "Theory" of Relativity. If you're asking when it started being commonly accepted as one, I'd say the Scopes Trial is a good start for the U.S.

[The Parkus Empire]

People, seriously, the creation story can be reconciled with evolution. EASILY.

Not really. Evolution isn't congruent with women being created from a guy's rib.

[Angleter]

People, seriously, the creation story can be reconciled with evolution. EASILY.

The first one can. Not the second one, which seems to suggest the first water on Earth came from under the ground, that man was created before any other form of life (all of which were created for him), and that the Pishon (either in Arabia or Egypt), Gihon (in Ethiopia, for Christ's sake), Tigris and Euphrates (close enough together, I'll accept) all form the great big delta of one (non-existent) super-river.

[Buffett and Colbert]

I did not post anything in order to change your mind about anything. I post it because i think that, and decided to voice it. My opinions, your opinions. They are just that, Mine and Yours.

And?

If you are blind as to not see that everything has an order, that even the animal kingdom has its own hierarchy depending on the animal, and that even businesses and governments do too,

I do believe in an order. Just not a familial one with predefined roles for women. But thanks for trying.

and even in these the females are left aside under the male, without there being any kindness toward the female from the male, but to god, the one who set up the family and its unique organization, he values the female, wife, mother. Take the example i told you of Abraham and Sarah, god told Abraham "listen to her voice."

Yeah, when she's giving advice about how to tend the house, right? The Bible, like most documents of its time, only depicts women as a subservient figure good for nothing but caring for children and cleaning the house. And God would have let women be a man's equal, if he really valued them.

I must quote once again,

It is faithfulness, not whether a person is male or female that makes one precious to God. Psalm 101:6 says "My eyes are upon the faithful ones of the earth."

And I must point out that what you're quoting is irrelevant since it was not taking women, or other people, into consideration. The Bible is full of discrepancies. Why do you expect it to be all encompassing with a statement like this?

The bible says that a Husband that loves his wife loves himself. This is because a man and his wife "are no longer two, but one flesh" (Mathew 19:6) Meaning they are one body, one equal. There is just an organization to keep things orderly. God doesnt view man different from woman.

Then he should show it.

In Ephesians 5:28,29 it states "In this way, husbands (man) ought to be loving their wives (women) as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. for no man has ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it, as the Christ also does the congregation." Is it so bad that there was established an organization, a hierarchy, so that things would keep in order. and even with this order, the 'heads' are not to abuse of the ones under them.

also note that Colossians 3:19 says, "You husbands, keep on loving your wives and do not be bitterly angry with them."


All this only applies to MARRIAGE and not to men and women in general. Just to the married couple. And even though, the bible says in 1 Peter 2:17 "honor [men] of all sorts..." men here means mankind, in other words, women, boys, girls, elderly and everyone.

You're interpreting these passages as you want them to be interpreted, ignoring the social and historical context behind them. This is perfectly fine and preferable, actually. But this is not what it says.