Gay and Christian

[Gagatron]

You know what Ephesians also says?

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Big deal. We have to submit to the mother-in-law too, you don't hear us complaining.

[Georgism]

Not so good with math, but correct me if I'm wrong, there's not even a mention of PI in the entire verse! They probably didn't even have to use PI to write that.

Oh, dear.

[Buffett and Colbert]

You know what Ephesians also says?

Big deal. We have to submit to the mother-in-law too, you don't hear us complaining.

You're using a very different definition of submission. And by doing so, you're excusing the Bible's sexism.

[Georgism]

Big deal. We have to submit to the mother-in-law too, you don't hear us complaining.

You do yourself no favours.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Not so good with math, but correct me if I'm wrong, there's not even a mention of PI in the entire verse! They probably didn't even have to use PI to write that.

[Angleter]

Oh, so you have to STRETCH to see the lie? I mean, if you squint real hard and interpret it with confirmation bias, it could be lie, even though it's only slightly innacurate!

Where is this verse?

And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the
other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and
a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Ah! I think.

[Angleter]

Which denomination are you?

Um, none.

Right. That might explain quite a bit.

[Gagatron]

Ah. I think.

Pwned.

[Gagatron]

Big deal. We have to submit to the mother-in-law too, you don't hear us complaining.

You're using a very different definition of submission. And by doing so, you're excusing the Bible's sexism.

What's wrong with the woman submitting again?

[Hayteria]

in the Bible where it says "...a man shall not lay with another man." (Sorry for the Paraphrasing) is actually a reference to adultery.

... what do you base this on?

the higher heads of the Church may have a dislike to the idea of Homosexuality but they dislike Adultry worse so according to him there is a huge debate in the Church on that idea. However he himself said that if a man finds love with another man insteed of just the "need" then why condem it?

Who did? And who says that "adultry" isn't considered contradictory to Christianity?

I also have a childhood who is gay and christan too, "I'll let God decide when I meet him", he said and he isn't one of those activists either.

... what?

[Gagatron]

Um, none.

Right. That might explain quite a bit.

Explain what?

[Buffett and Colbert]

You're using a very different definition of submission. And by doing so, you're excusing the Bible's sexism.

What's wrong with the woman submitting again?

It plays into the stereotype that all women are good for is doing what their husbands tell them to? It indicates that women should have no independence?

[Gagatron]

What's wrong with the woman submitting again?

It plays into the stereotype that all women are good for is doing what their husbands tell them to? It indicates that women should have no independence?

It's either that or the man loses his independence to the woman, which is worse?

[Buffett and Colbert]

It plays into the stereotype that all women are good for is doing what their husbands tell them to? It indicates that women should have no independence?

It's either that or the man loses his independence to the woman, which is worse?

False dichotomy. And I'm becoming increasingly exasperated here. I don't think I find this worth my time .

[Georgism]

It's either that or the man loses his independence to the woman, which is worse?

Or they have a mutual relationship?

One partner submitting to the other without wanting to is bad.

[Gagatron]

It's either that or the man loses his independence to the woman, which is worse?

False dichotomy. And I'm becoming increasingly exasperated here. I don't think I find this worth my time .

Well tough. I have people coming out of the woodwork telling me my religion is hateful and sexist, just because they CAN'T STAND the idea that it might be good for a woman to submit to a man.

[Korr-Atel]

That my friend is something i must disagree. It is faithfulness, not whether a person is male or female that makes one precious to God Psalm 101:6 says "My eyes are upon the faithful ones of the earth."

The bible says that a Husband that loves his wife loves himself. This is because a man and his wife "are no longer two, but one flesh" (Mathew 19:6)

In Ephesians 5:28,29 it states "In this way, husbands (man) ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. for no man has ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it, as the Christ also does the congregation."

also note that Colossians 3:19 says, "You husbands, keep on loving your wives and do not be bitterly angry with them."

there are also many other examples that disagree with your idea

You know what Ephesians also says?

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

you are taking that out of context, let me explain.

A family is an organization and to operate smoothly, it needs a head. Even Jesus has a head (or person above him, like a boss.) In 1 Corinthians 11:3 "The head of the Christ is God," just as "the Head of a woman is the man" (taken in terms of family)

Imperfect men make mistakes and often fall far short of being ideal family (including the wife) heads. So, what should wives do?"

She should not belittle what her husband does or try to take over his headship. A wife does well to remember that in god's view, a quiet and mild spirit is of great value (1 peter 3:4 says "but let it be the secret person of the heart in the incorruptible [apparel] of the quiet and mild spirit, which is of great value in the eyes of God")

By Displaying such spirit, she will find it easier to demonstrate godly subjection, even under trying circumstances. Further the bible says that the"wife should have deep respect for her husband." (Ephesians 5:33) in order that they may be won without a word through the conduct of their wives, because of having been eyewitness (the husband) to the chase conduct and deep respect of the wife. (1 peter 3:1,2 says "In like manner, You wives, be in subjection to your own husbands, in order that, if they are not obedient to the word, they may be won without a word through the conduct of their wives, because of being eyewitness of your chase conduct together with deep respect."

For example,

Although Abraham did not agree when his wife, Sarah, recommended a practical solution to a certain household problem, God told him: "Listen to her voice." (Genesis 21:9-12)

[Georgism]

Well tough. I have people coming out of the woodwork telling me my religion is hateful and sexist, just because they CAN'T STAND the idea that it might be good for a woman to submit to a man.

Against her will? Why would it be?

[Gagatron]

The purpose of submission is not to remove independence nor is it to lower quality of life, the purpose of submission is to create the spiritual attitude that facilitates peaceful living. In the same way the woman submits to the man, the man must submit to God, and the couple will be upright spiritually. It's not sexism.

[Georgism]

The purpose of submission is not to remove independence nor is it to lower quality of life, the purpose of submission is to create the spiritual attitude that facilitates peaceful living. In the same way the woman submits to the man, the man must submit to God, and the couple will be upright spiritually. It's not sexism.

What is that even supposed to mean?

[Angleter]

Right. That might explain quite a bit.

Explain what?

The fact that your stance on Biblical narrative veers between misogynistic literalism and liberal tolerance of homosexuality.

[Gagatron]

The purpose of submission is not to remove independence nor is it to lower quality of life, the purpose of submission is to create the spiritual attitude that facilitates peaceful living. In the same way the woman submits to the man, the man must submit to God, and the couple will be upright spiritually. It's not sexism.

What is that even supposed to mean?

Christianity encourages obscurity, along with peacefulness and responsibility. It is alright for the woman to be submitted to the man, if the man is submitted to God. Submission encourages an attitude of spiritual quietness, where you are reverent for God, not the self.

[Buffett and Colbert]

The purpose of submission is not to remove independence nor is it to lower quality of life, the purpose of submission is to create the spiritual attitude that facilitates peaceful living. In the same way the woman submits to the man, the man must submit to God, and the couple will be upright spiritually. It's not sexism.

What is that even supposed to mean?

You haven't given up trying to decipher him, then?

[Korr-Atel]

What is that even supposed to mean?

Christianity encourages obscurity, along with peacefulness and responsibility. It is alright for the woman to be submitted to the man, if the man is submitted to God. Submission encourages an attitude of spiritual quietness, where you are reverent for God, not the self.

Also, the bible says that the man should be kind to his wife. She is in subjection to him, and he cannot abuse of her in any way.

The bible says that a Husband that loves his wife loves himself. This is because a man and his wife "are no longer two, but one flesh" (Mathew 19:6)

In Ephesians 5:28,29 it states "In this way, husbands (man) ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. for no man has ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it, as the Christ also does the congregation."

also note that Colossians 3:19 says, "You husbands, keep on loving your wives and do not be bitterly angry with them."

[Georgism]

Christianity encourages obscurity, along with peacefulness and responsibility. It is alright for the woman to be submitted to the man, if the man is submitted to God. Submission encourages an attitude of spiritual quietness, where you are reverent for God, not the self.

Why can a woman not just submit to God as a man does? Why does she have to go through an extra 'layer' to meet God?