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Postby Gagatron » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:24 am

Bottle wrote:I completely agree with you that the Bible is a deeply misogynist text, and that Christianity is founded upon the hatred of women and the feminine.

Don't you think that this is a bit extreme?
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All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Georgism » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:24 am

Gagatron wrote:As God in the flesh, He was probably above carnal desires.

Assuming he actually was God in the flesh. To me he was nothing but a Jewish hippy and the titles 'Son of God' and 'Son of Man' are quite ambiguous.

Besides, if I was all-powerful, all-loving and and all-knowing I'd get laid as much as possible.
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Postby Georgism » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:25 am

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Bottle wrote:I completely agree with you that the Bible is a deeply misogynist text, and that Christianity is founded upon the hatred of women and the feminine.

Don't you think that this is a bit extreme?

Given certain parts of the Bible, no.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:27 am

Korr-Atel wrote:
Bottle wrote:I find the fixation on prostitutes amusing, given that nobody ever seems to talk about the men who visit those prostitutes. Apparently, being a poor women who resorts to sex work in order to support oneself is something shameful and filthy, but being a guy who rents out female bodies to masturbate into isn't nearly as big a deal.


That is also condemned. Men that do so are just as 'unclean' as well.

Read this thread, kiddo. No, they're not. When Christians talk about sexual immorality, they talk about gay men and heterosexual women, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of sex crimes are committed by heterosexual men. When you Christians chat about "forgiveness" for sexual sin, you harp on queer guys and prostitutes, but never on pimps, johns, and all the countless men in the Bible who raped with impunity because God said it was just fine.

And then you whine and bitch when people dare to point out how hateful and repulsive your religion is. :lol:
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:28 am

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Bottle wrote:I completely agree with you that the Bible is a deeply misogynist text, and that Christianity is founded upon the hatred of women and the feminine.

Don't you think that this is a bit extreme?

It's, especially given the context in which it was written. Historically, the world has been misogynist.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:28 am

Gagatron wrote:
Bottle wrote:I completely agree with you that the Bible is a deeply misogynist text, and that Christianity is founded upon the hatred of women and the feminine.

Don't you think that this is a bit extreme?

Not in the slightest. The Bible specifically supports rape, sexual slavery, domestic abuse, and specifically and clearly states that women are less than men and should never be regarded with the same status and respect as men. The Bible is clearly, unquestionably, and consistently anti-woman.

But don't worry. It's also racist, homophobic, and encourages genocide. So it's not JUST sexist. :D
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Postby Horsefish » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:29 am

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Korr-Atel wrote:
That is also condemned. Men that do so are just as 'unclean' as well.

Read this thread, kiddo. No, they're not. When Christians talk about sexual immorality, they talk about gay men and heterosexual women, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of sex crimes are committed by heterosexual men. When you Christians chat about "forgiveness" for sexual sin, you harp on queer guys and prostitutes, but never on pimps, johns, and all the countless men in the Bible who raped with impunity because God said it was just fine.

And then you whine and bitch when people dare to point out how hateful and repulsive your religion is. :lol:


Ah but it's obviously the prostitutes fault, because if they had just got married to a big, strong man sooner, they wouldn't need to go and tempt married men away from their wives. No prostitutes=No-one wants them.
It's obviously the womens fault for tempting us men.

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Geniasis wrote:Maybe if you showered every now and then...

That's what the Nazis said, we're not falling for that one again.

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Postby Gagatron » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:31 am

Horsefish wrote:
Bottle wrote:Read this thread, kiddo. No, they're not. When Christians talk about sexual immorality, they talk about gay men and heterosexual women, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of sex crimes are committed by heterosexual men. When you Christians chat about "forgiveness" for sexual sin, you harp on queer guys and prostitutes, but never on pimps, johns, and all the countless men in the Bible who raped with impunity because God said it was just fine.

And then you whine and bitch when people dare to point out how hateful and repulsive your religion is. :lol:


Ah but it's obviously the prostitutes fault, because if they had just got married to a big, strong man sooner, they wouldn't need to go and tempt married men away from their wives. No prostitutes=No-one wants them.
It's obviously the womens fault for tempting us men.


Oh, and I'm the one with hatred? You're talking in a very foolish manner.
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Gagatron » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:34 am

The Bible makes it very clear that all sexual sin is punished...
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Horsefish » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:34 am

Gagatron wrote:
Horsefish wrote:
Ah but it's obviously the prostitutes fault, because if they had just got married to a big, strong man sooner, they wouldn't need to go and tempt married men away from their wives. No prostitutes=No-one wants them.
It's obviously the womens fault for tempting us men.


Oh, and I'm the one with hatred? You're talking in a very foolish manner.


Shit I forgot the smiley. Without that it's obvious that I think that? Man thats depressing.
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.

Geniasis wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go bludgeon some whales to death with my 12-ft dick.

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Geniasis wrote:Maybe if you showered every now and then...

That's what the Nazis said, we're not falling for that one again.

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Postby Georgism » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:35 am

Gagatron wrote:The Bible makes it very clear that all sexual sin is punished...

Since in another thread you already admitted that the Bible is made of lies...
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Postby Gagatron » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:36 am

Georgism wrote:
Gagatron wrote:The Bible makes it very clear that all sexual sin is punished...

Since in another thread you already admitted that the Bible is made of lies...


No I haven't. I have yet to see a single lie in the Bible.
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Georgism » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:37 am

Gagatron wrote:No I haven't.


Nadkor wrote:
Gagatron wrote:Why would the Bible be a mix? It's either true or it isn't, there's no middle ground. If there's a single truth in the Bible, then it's alikely that the rest of it must be true. If there's a single lie, then the whol Bible becomes false. There's no middle ground.


Pi is not 3.

Consider yourself liberated.
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Postby Georgism » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:38 am

Gagatron wrote:No I haven't. I have yet to see a single lie in the Bible.

Look harder? I mean there are plenty of contradictions as well.
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Postby Korr-Atel » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:39 am

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Gagatron wrote:
Have you ever read Proverbs? The Bible reproves men who give in to immoral women time and time again.

Thank you for making my point. The prostitutes are "immoral," as opposed to PIMPS or JOHNS being immoral men who are exploiting women.

I completely agree with you that the Bible is a deeply misogynist text, and that Christianity is founded upon the hatred of women and the feminine.



That my friend is something i must disagree. It is faithfulness, not whether a person is male or female that makes one precious to God Psalm 101:6 says "My eyes are upon the faithful ones of the earth."

The bible says that a Husband that loves his wife loves himself. This is because a man and his wife "are no longer two, but one flesh" (Mathew 19:6)

In Ephesians 5:28,29 it states "In this way, husbands (man) ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. for no man has ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it, as the Christ also does the congregation."

also note that Colossians 3:19 says, "You husbands, keep on loving your wives and do not be bitterly angry with them."

there are also many other examples that disagree with your idea

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Postby Gagatron » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:39 am

Georgism wrote:
Gagatron wrote:No I haven't.


Nadkor wrote:
Pi is not 3.

Consider yourself liberated.


I still for the life of me can't figure out what this has to do with anything.
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Take me where I've never been.
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Georgism » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:40 am

Gagatron wrote:I still for the life of me can't figure out what this has to do with anything.

The Bible strongly implies that Pi equals 3. It doesn't.
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Postby Angleter » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:41 am

Gagatron wrote:
Georgism wrote:Since in another thread you already admitted that the Bible is made of lies...


No I haven't. I have yet to see a single lie in the Bible.


The book of Joshua is comprised mostly of Israelite nationalist bollocks. It's then completely contradicted by the more plausible and archaeologically-compatible book of Judges.

Which denomination are you?
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Postby Gagatron » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:42 am

Georgism wrote:
Gagatron wrote:I still for the life of me can't figure out what this has to do with anything.

The Bible strongly implies that Pi equals 3. It doesn't.


Oh, so you have to STRETCH to see the lie? I mean, if you squint real hard and interpret it with confirmation bias, it could be lie, even though it's only slightly innacurate!

Where is this verse?
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Take me where I've never been.
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Korr-Atel » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:44 am

Bottle wrote:
Korr-Atel wrote:
That is also condemned. Men that do so are just as 'unclean' as well.

Read this thread, kiddo. No, they're not. When Christians talk about sexual immorality, they talk about gay men and heterosexual women, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of sex crimes are committed by heterosexual men. When you Christians chat about "forgiveness" for sexual sin, you harp on queer guys and prostitutes, but never on pimps, johns, and all the countless men in the Bible who raped with impunity because God said it was just fine.

And then you whine and bitch when people dare to point out how hateful and repulsive your religion is. :lol:


:o hey! i personally am of no religion and am a critique for Christians and Catholics and whatnot because I think that they are corrupt, misinterpreting the bible and full of biased 'macho' opinions as well as racism and other things, but those religions dont represent the bible.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:44 am

Korr-Atel wrote:
Bottle wrote:Thank you for making my point. The prostitutes are "immoral," as opposed to PIMPS or JOHNS being immoral men who are exploiting women.

I completely agree with you that the Bible is a deeply misogynist text, and that Christianity is founded upon the hatred of women and the feminine.



That my friend is something i must disagree. It is faithfulness, not whether a person is male or female that makes one precious to God Psalm 101:6 says "My eyes are upon the faithful ones of the earth."

The bible says that a Husband that loves his wife loves himself. This is because a man and his wife "are no longer two, but one flesh" (Mathew 19:6)

In Ephesians 5:28,29 it states "In this way, husbands (man) ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. for no man has ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it, as the Christ also does the congregation."

also note that Colossians 3:19 says, "You husbands, keep on loving your wives and do not be bitterly angry with them."

there are also many other examples that disagree with your idea

You know what Ephesians also says?

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
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Postby Gagatron » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:44 am

Angleter wrote:Which denomination are you?

Um, none.
God, I want to dream again,
Take me where I've never been.
I wanna go there,
This time I'm not scared.
Music, love, peace, joy, history, religion, foreign cultures, foreign language, philosophy, debating, etc.


Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Georgism » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:44 am

Gagatron wrote:Oh, so you have to STRETCH to see the lie? I mean, if you squint real hard and interpret it with confirmation bias, it could be lie, even though it's only slightly innacurate!

Where is this verse?


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other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and
a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
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Postby Gagatron » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:46 am

Georgism wrote:
Gagatron wrote:Oh, so you have to STRETCH to see the lie? I mean, if you squint real hard and interpret it with confirmation bias, it could be lie, even though it's only slightly innacurate!

Where is this verse?


1 Kings 7:23 wrote:And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the
other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and
a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.


Not so good with math, but correct me if I'm wrong, there's not even a mention of PI in the entire verse! They probably didn't even have to use PI to write that.
God, I want to dream again,
Take me where I've never been.
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby GRUVIA » Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:47 am

I personally think Gay Christans are alright because I recently asked my Deacon what is the Orthodox Church's Position on Homosexuality is that it is conflicted because in the Bible where it says "...a man shall not lay with another man." (Sorry for the Paraphrasing) is actually a reference to adultery. Now the higher heads of the Church may have a dislike to the idea of Homosexuality but they dislike Adultry worse so according to him there is a huge debate in the Church on that idea. However he himself said that if a man finds love with another man insteed of just the "need" then why condem it?
I also have a childhood who is gay and christan too, "I'll let God decide when I meet him", he said and he isn't one of those activists either. So with Gay People I think its fine.

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