Elect a Roman Emperor President of NSG - The Result

[Laos Refugees]

Claudius- " Better Farmland, Less Taxes, More Aquaducts, and Britannica will join our Glorious Empire. All you have to do, is vote FOR Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus as your Roman Emperor President. "

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/548/9978938875.jpg

I got a better picture, first one was from Wikipedia, this one is more lifelike

[Belschaft]

Arch, what's your position on Gothic Kings/Emperors?

[The Archregimancy]

Arch, what's your position on Gothic Kings/Emperors?

Are you trying to nominate Theodoric the Great? He never claimed the Imperial title, and was never recognised as Emperor. As no barbarian was raised to the purple in the classical period, it strikes me as a rather moot point; even the powerful ones felt safer manipulating a puppet before the fall of the West, and after the fall of the West, none of them claimed the Imperial title until Charlemagne.

[Unilisia]

Viva Caligula !

[Belschaft]

Arch, what's your position on Gothic Kings/Emperors?

Are you trying to nominate Theodoric the Great? He never claimed the Imperial title, and was never recognised as Emperor. As no barbarian was raised to the purple in the classical period, it strikes me as a rather moot point; even the powerful ones felt safer manipulating a puppet.

Yes, I was considering nominating Theodoric the Great He was the de-facto Western Emperor after all.

If the Imperial title is what matters, does that mean that Charlemagne is allowed then?

[Tagmatium]

Yes, I was considering nominating Theodoric the Great He was the de-facto Western Emperor after all.

If the Imperial title is what matters, does that mean that Charlemagne is allowed then?

The OP states that to qualify, the emperor most have ruled before the end of yhe Classical period.

[Belschaft]

Yes, I was considering nominating Theodoric the Great He was the de-facto Western Emperor after all.

If the Imperial title is what matters, does that mean that Charlemagne is allowed then?

The OP states that to qualify, the emperor most have ruled before the end of yhe Classical period.

Define antiquity. Some might argue that Phocas is too early a cut of.

[Tagmatium]

The OP states that to qualify, the emperor most have ruled before the end of yhe Classical period.

Define antiquity. Some might argue that Phocas is too early a cut of.

I'd be pushed, myself, to argue that Phocas is too early a cut off. I'm getting rusty on the Byzantine Empire, but I can't see anything particularly special about his rule to make him the end point, other than he was overthrown by Heraclius, who did see more of a break from the "Classical Period" when he got rid of Latin from the court in favour of Greek.

Amongst other things.

However, Charlemagne is definately out of that period. He comfortably sits within the Early Middle Ages, and I see no real reason to include him in the list of Roman Emperors. Especially since the Byzantine Empire has a far better claim to the "Roman" title in this case than Charlemagne does, bar that the Pope crowned Charlemagne, which just ricochets us down an entirely different route of argument.

[The Archregimancy]

Are you trying to nominate Theodoric the Great? He never claimed the Imperial title, and was never recognised as Emperor. As no barbarian was raised to the purple in the classical period, it strikes me as a rather moot point; even the powerful ones felt safer manipulating a puppet.

Yes, I was considering nominating Theodoric the Great He was the de-facto Western Emperor after all.

If the Imperial title is what matters, does that mean that Charlemagne is allowed then?

Sorry - Theodoric doesn't count for the reasons already outlined. And remember that part of his authority derived from being the legitimately appointed viceroy of the Eastern Emperor Zeno (even if that authority was purely nominal in practice).

Charlemagne is definitely too late - our cut off is the death of Phocas (610 AD), following the established - though not universally accepted - precedent that the East Roman Empire becomes 'Byzantine' with the accession of Heraclius, thanks to the transformations brought about by the promotion of Greek as the sole official language of the Empire, the Persian and Arab wars, the transformation of the last classical imperial army units, and the establishment of the Themata.

Phocas was also the last emperor to build a monument in the original Forum in Rome - google 'column of Phocas' - so marks as good an ending point as any.

[Polska rzczpolspolita]

Trajan, definitely.

Vote Trajan for a Plebian Emperor under a larger Empire!
(OOC: I can imagine this turning into a good RP

[Vonners]

Commodus - not only for cheap toilet jokes but also for degrading all that is noble about the throne...or in terms of NSG...degradation, laziness and greed...you can't get better than that!

[Lizardiar]

Vote Safety, Vote security, Vote Hadrian

[Risottia]

OCTAVIANVS AVGVSTVS
VT MARMOREAM RELINQVERE QVAM LATERICIAM ACCEPIT
ELIGETE VIRVM QVEM IPSE CAESAR FILIVM SVVM NOMINAVIT

By the way: in IPA it would sound as:

okta'wjanus aw'gustus
ut mar'morɛã: re'liŋkwere kwã: late'rikjã: a'k:ɛpit
eli'gete 'wirũ: kwẽ: 'ipse 'kaesar 'filiũ: 'suũ: nomi'nawit

Yay for classical pronunciation!

[Risottia]

Vote Safety, Vote security, Vote Hadrian

Vallum Hadriani is just a case of "no true Scotsman" again.


ModEdit: See OP instructions on spoilers for campaign posters in quotes.

RisEdit: sorry, mate; I forgot that

[The Archregimancy]

Didius Julianus has a new campaign poster....



Points to anyone who knows what the campaign slogan refers to.

[Tagmatium]

Points to anyone who knows what the campaign slogan refers to.

His last words.

[The Archregimancy]

Points to anyone who knows what the campaign slogan refers to.

His last words.

<shakes fist at archaeology student>

Well done. According to Cassius Dio, Didius Julianus' last words prior to his execution (on the orders of the Senate, once it was clear Severus was going to defeat Julianus without much of an effort) were "But what evil have I done? Whom have I killed?"

[Fartsniffage]

His last words.

Isn't that leaving it a bit late to come up with your campaign slogan?

[Belschaft]

Yes, I was considering nominating Theodoric the Great He was the de-facto Western Emperor after all.

If the Imperial title is what matters, does that mean that Charlemagne is allowed then?

Sorry - Theodoric doesn't count for the reasons already outlined. And remember that part of his authority derived from being the legitimately appointed viceroy of the Eastern Emperor Zeno (even if that authority was purely nominal in practice).

Charlemagne is definitely too late - our cut off is the death of Phocas (610 AD), following the established - though not universally accepted - precedent that the East Roman Empire becomes 'Byzantine' with the accession of Heraclius, thanks to the transformations brought about by the promotion of Greek as the sole official language of the Empire, the Persian and Arab wars, the transformation of the last classical imperial army units, and the establishment of the Themata.

Phocas was also the last emperor to build a monument in the original Forum in Rome - google 'column of Phocas' - so marks as good an ending point as any.

Fair enough. Your thread, your rules. I've successfully argued that the Treaty of Verdun is the start of the middle ages before though, and I quite like viewing Frankia as a transitional period neither quite in the Ancient world or the medieval.

[Tagmatium]

<shakes fist at archaeology student>

Well done. According to Cassius Dio, Didius Julianus' last words prior to his execution (on the orders of the Senate, once it was clear Severus was going to defeat Julianus without much of an effort) were "But what evil have I done? Whom have I killed?"

Archaeology graduate

I'm not much of a Classicist myself, but I occasionally pick up things like this.

[Nekronia]

Vote for Nero!

He'll keep the place ordered!

He'll clean up the streets!

If you don't vote for him, he'll have you tortured and executed!

GO NERO!

[The Archregimancy]

<shakes fist at archaeology student>

Well done. According to Cassius Dio, Didius Julianus' last words prior to his execution (on the orders of the Senate, once it was clear Severus was going to defeat Julianus without much of an effort) were "But what evil have I done? Whom have I killed?"

Archaeology graduate

And didn't you just pick the perfect time to try and enter the archaeology job market?

<depressed sigh>

So, applied for an MA yet to delay the inevitable?

[Tagmatium]

And didn't you just pick the perfect time to try and enter the archaeology job market?

<depressed sigh>

So, applied for an MA yet to delay the inevitable?

To be fair, any time within the last three or so years wouldn't have been ideal. I'd have to have been born five years before I was to have been able to get a job within archaeology, and the likelihood would've meant that I'd have also been amongst the first to be laid off.

*shrug*

I'm really looking at a Medieval Archaeology masters' at Reading. I'm interested in the Baltic, and a project looking into the ecological impact of the Northern Crusades is starting. I might be able to attach myself to it. I really need to look at funding for it, as I think that'll be the only stumbling block to me doing a Masters'.

Annoyingly, my father hinted that he'd have helped with Masters' funding on my graduation day. Bit too late by then.

[The Archregimancy]

To be fair, any time within the last three or so years wouldn't have been ideal. I'd have to have been born five years before I was to have been able to get a job within archaeology, and the likelihood would've meant that I'd have also been amongst the first to be laid off.

*shrug*

I'm really looking at a Medieval Archaeology masters' at Reading. I'm interested in the Baltic, and a project looking into the ecological impact of the Northern Crusades is starting. I might be able to attach myself to it. I really need to look at funding for it, as I think that'll be the only stumbling block to me doing a Masters'.

Annoyingly, my father hinted that he'd have helped with Masters' funding on my graduation day. Bit too late by then.

The financial crash only really started to bite at the big commercial units - like Oxford and Wessex - in late 2008 as big projects already underway managed to keep them ticking over until then. I can pinpoint more or less the precise moment it started to bite at OA around then as I was helping with recruitment of finds and environmental staff at one of their UK offices, only to be told that for all the time and recruitment and interview paperwork that I'd helped with, they weren't going to actually hire any of the people they'd shortlisted and interviewed as the financial situation had changed drastically between advertising the position and interviewing the candidates.

Painful personal experience demonstrates that it started to bite at universities in late summer 2010.

Anyway, this private conversation threatens to turn into a thread derail, so let's leave it for the time being. I'm genuinely pleased to hear that you do have an MA lined up; it's becoming increasingly hard to achieve anything in archaeology without one.

[Mike the Progressive]

Hey that one guy who got killed in the Gladiator, because you know, Hollywood would never lie to me!