School Damage

[Dumb Ideologies]

Hardly. My hangup is that I struggle to tolerate whiny idiots, regardless of age.

Nobody is forcing you to tolerate me. All you have to do is refrain from checking this topic.

This is a discussion site. Your expectation that people annoyed at your pathetic attempts to debate will just 'stay away' would thus seem rather naive. If only those who take you seriously were to participate in your so-called topics you'd be on your own with a couple of shop-reject hand-puppets for friends. As it is, you remain faintly amusing like a supposed end-of-level boss who instead goes off into a glitchy spasm of pixels and then self-destructs.

[Intangelon]

Completely false.

I don't get to choose. I MUST be insured.

You're really and truly projecting your wimpy-kidness on to the whole world. Once again, I'm sorry you got the atomic wedgies and other ignoble teasing and hazing, but reading your posts, it seems like you probably earned them.

Lol, sorry for trying to project my "wimpy kindness" on the world. I guess im just somebody that cares and has compassion for people. The fact that you think I myself was "hazed" in school just because I bring it up as being innapropriate in school shows how uncompassionate you are. You can't possibly imagine somebody caring about other people.

I am as compassionate about others as I need to be to avoid developing in them a false sense of entitlement, such as the one you seem to have. Notice how I use the word "seem" instead of telling you what you are? That's consideration for others, which is something you've shown a singular lack of in the face of overwhelming arguments that deflate, discredit and defame your OP.

I say you're projecting because you've shown time and again that your opinion about this topic comes solely from your own VERY limited experience. How else am I to make any sense of your arguments?

It was "wimpy kidness", by the way, as in the book series Diary of a Wimpy Kid. Your OP was false and full of incorrect assumptions from the get-go, and your reading comprehension skill suggests that you spend more of your time groaning about how the cool kids are getting all the attention instead of actually studying because you seem to think you know everything already.

If that's the case, then what are you doing here? This is a hive of people who were more than likely unpopular or socially marginalized in public schools -- so what's your point? You are not forced to go to public school, you're not forced to enjoy sports, you're not forced to do anything. Unless...

...holy shit...is someone FORCING you to type like a whiny little maggot?

[Intangelon]

Teachers legally act in loco parentis, which you'd know, if you were half as intelligent as you're trying desperately to make yourself appear.

If you were half intelligent, you would realize that im in fact not trying to prove my competancy in "teacher legal bullshit". Im pointing out that since teachers have more rights than students/parents on school property, does it not make it teachers property?

If you know nothing about what teachers are and what they do, why are you waxing bitchy about it as if you do?

The property teachers serve on and with are usually the property of the school district. Teachers, while acting in loco parentis, are also considered representatives of the district, and, depending on the relative independence of the district in each state, the state itself. How is that difficult to understand? I realize you have a problem with authority, but again, does that mean you're somehow subjugated if you choose to project your insecurities and ignorance on to General?

[Dyakovo]

DaWoad is who you're thinking of, and Intagelon is a teacher as well. As are Katganistan and NERVUN...

And Ryadn.

Damn... I can't believe I forgot her...

[Intangelon]

No, they are the authority figures who provide a framework of rules and order within which the property can be used effectively. In this respect they resemble government or the boss in a workplace, and they are equally essential within their respective environments, perhaps teachers moreso given the aggregate lower responsibility of children. All the students in the school have a stake in it through membership, but this doesn't give them the right to piss all over the rules.

How do students have a stake in it through membership? They don't even have a choice whether they want to be there or not, let alone a stake in it.

Students are not taxpaying members of society in most cases, as they've not yet reached the age of majority. A very few might be, if they're 18+, emancipated, or in some way pay property taxes. You're trying a Marxist line of argument here, and it just doesn't apply to the US public school model.

[Buffett and Colbert]

And most employers will subsidize those additional credentials.
Teachers, alas, have to pay their own way (at least in NY).

Wait, did Bendira just complain about teachers who get more education to do their jobs? I thought he said they were lazy stupid people.

There are always exceptions.

Wow.

[Intangelon]

I don't believe that it does make that so, but, playing along, so what if it did? Would this sort of 'de facto ownership' of the school environment be a bad thing?

No it wouldn't be a bad thing, because it would then be a private school.

So go to a private school. Seriously, what's your problem?

[Intangelon]

Lol, sorry for trying to project my "wimpy kindness" on the world. I guess im just somebody that cares and has compassion for people. The fact that you think I myself was "hazed" in school just because I bring it up as being innapropriate in school shows how uncompassionate you are. You can't possibly imagine somebody caring about other people.

"Wimpy-kidness" not "Wimpy kindness"

Shh! Don't confuse him with the facts.

[Buffett and Colbert]

And Ryadn.

Damn... I can't believe I forgot her...

Is Sarkhaan too?

[Hydesland]

Seriously, what's your problem?

He's too cool for school.

[Katganistan]

Damn... I can't believe I forgot her...

Is Sarkhaan too?

Yes.

[Intangelon]

"Wimpy-kidness" not "Wimpy kindness"

That makes it even worse. Somebody who is a teacher (I think he said he was a teacher?) that thinks "wimpy kids" deserve to be bullied.

Is that what I said? Hm. You're going to have to show me where I said that, because otherwise, that's deliberate misrepresentation, also known as libel. Par for the course for you, though, seeing as how you seem to enjoy ignoring what posters actually type and replacing those words with words of your own. Again, you're projecting.

I'm sorry you were bullied, but projecting this whole "wimpy-kid" poor-unrepresented-me nonsense is no way to get your point across. But you know that already, otherwise you wouldn't continue to do it and jack up your own post count.

I'm impressed with you, young troll. You've got the makings of a Jesussaves or even a Neu Mitanni.

Here's to your remarkably paper-thin excesses, brother. Enjoy it while you can still shovel it.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Is Sarkhaan too?

Yes.

But of course, you lot are just lazy and stupid. Unless you're an "exception."

[Intangelon]

You can go to a different school. Membership of the school gives you certain rights to education, access to facilities etc.

What about a kid who is, say, 14 who is mandated to go to school. However he is completely uninsterested in what the courses teach him, and he would much rather go into an apprenticeship program to become a welder. Why should he be "forced" to go to school, to fulfill a "right" to education? Aren't they actually denying him a right to education in a sense by refusing to allow him to persue his own education goals?

He is -- I'll say it slowly and loudly -- N O T mandated to go to a public school. There are many other options. But you know that, because I and others have said it before in this thread. Choosing to ignore that which doesn't fit your put-upon world view is base trollery, but still good for a giggle.

*giggles*

[Intangelon]

I feel slightly dirty saying this, but I halfway agree with Bendira regarding school sports. I don't actually think it's appropriate at the high school level or below for schools not to offer athletic opportunities to students who aren't terribly athletically skilled (or not to offer music opportunities to the tone-deaf, etc.).

That said, I've never heard of any school that actually HAS that problem. Most of them seem to work more like my high school did. We had a very simple system: if you wanted to play basketball, you would be on a basketball team. If you were one of the top few players, you'd be on the varsity team. If you were in the middle of the pack, you'd be on the JV team. And if the peak of your skills was "occasionally, you could throw the ball straight," you'd be on the C team. When, as with several sports, there weren't enough players to fill three teams, it just meant that sport would have a fairly lousy JV team. So what? Similarly, we had two choirs - the Chorus, which anyone could join, and the Singers, which was by-audition-only. We had a varsity and a JV quiz bowl team, too - the varsity one won numerous tournaments, and the JV one...well, I think they won a match once. But they had FUN, and they got to do all those team-type things that teams do, which, at that level, is really the point. It was a great system, and I'm saying this as someone who was the team captain of one varsity team and one of the worst players on the lowest-level squad for another.

So, in short, I do actually agree that a school that only lets its best players/singers/scholars/whatever do their thing and excludes kids who really want to participate is doing it wrong. I just don't think very many schools actually DO that.

I couldn't possibly agree more. Well said, and well remembered. My school was similar. Most are.

[Intangelon]

No, but he can wait 'till he's left school then pursue his own educational goals. Unfortunately, for the poor chap, he might not get his job as a welder. But if he stays at schools and gets a grasp of some other skills, he has options for alternative employment. I think it's quite good.

Despite your own personal opinion on his decision, do you honestly think its ethically correct to force him to be somewhere against his wishes and block his ability to persue the education of his chosing?

Before he understands how his own government works, his own nation's history, or how to balance a checking account? Hell yes.

[Intangelon]

My problem with sports programs is when a school forces students to participate in sports. For someone like me, who isn't very athletic, it makes it annoying that I have to sign up or give up my elective for PE :/

Thats when you take the easy road and take something like Marching Band. Not that difficult, PE credits and you get in free at every school football game. People in it are also usualy nice.

NOW you're talkin'.

[Intangelon]

Why should parents pay into something their children can't take advantage of?

My tax dollars pay for the fire department, therefore I demand that the fire department allow me to become a fire fighter. I can't pass any of the physical tests, and I refuse to learn any of the necessary skills, but I pay for the fire department with my tax dollars and therefore they MUST let me participate if I want to.

*Stamp foot*

Hence the Fire Department Auxiliary. Okay, that was decades ago, but still. I'm sure the volunteer brigades would welcome another volunteer who could cook or clean or something.

Seriously, though, your example is more than enough to pop Benni's balloon, but that won't stop the free flow of hot air.

[Buffett and Colbert]

I feel slightly dirty saying this, but I halfway agree with Bendira regarding school sports. I don't actually think it's appropriate at the high school level or below for schools not to offer athletic opportunities to students who aren't terribly athletically skilled (or not to offer music opportunities to the tone-deaf, etc.).

That said, I've never heard of any school that actually HAS that problem. Most of them seem to work more like my high school did. We had a very simple system: if you wanted to play basketball, you would be on a basketball team. If you were one of the top few players, you'd be on the varsity team. If you were in the middle of the pack, you'd be on the JV team. And if the peak of your skills was "occasionally, you could throw the ball straight," you'd be on the C team. When, as with several sports, there weren't enough players to fill three teams, it just meant that sport would have a fairly lousy JV team. So what? Similarly, we had two choirs - the Chorus, which anyone could join, and the Singers, which was by-audition-only. We had a varsity and a JV quiz bowl team, too - the varsity one won numerous tournaments, and the JV one...well, I think they won a match once. But they had FUN, and they got to do all those team-type things that teams do, which, at that level, is really the point. It was a great system, and I'm saying this as someone who was the team captain of one varsity team and one of the worst players on the lowest-level squad for another.

So, in short, I do actually agree that a school that only lets its best players/singers/scholars/whatever do their thing and excludes kids who really want to participate is doing it wrong. I just don't think very many schools actually DO that.

I couldn't possibly agree more. Well said, and well remembered. My school was similar. Most are.

And alternatively, my school (private) doesn't have that. Sports are only for those who can play sports, etc. Although anyone can join band (how else could I be in it? ). So private=/= better all the time, as Bendira seems to think.

[Intangelon]

My problem with sports programs is when a school forces students to participate in sports. For someone like me, who isn't very athletic, it makes it annoying that I have to sign up or give up my elective for PE :/

Speaking as someone who absolutely fucking hated PE...I disagree. I do think some sort of instruction in physical fitness should be required - the epidemic of childhood obesity nowadays is one very obvious bit of evidence that kids really do need to be taught to exercise. I think PE classes are often woefully mismanaged and that way too much focus is often put on performing well in a particular sport rather than promoting fitness and teamwork, but if they were done right, PE classes should absolutely be a required part of the curriculum.

That problem, which you've represented perfectly well, is largely a result of PE being a red-headed stepchild of the coaching cadre. Adequate funding and a re-introduction to the curriculum, along with apt supervision, is what PE needs. It gets it in many schools, but certainly not all of them. THANKS, NCLB!

[Qatarab]

Homeschooling sounds good to me but the disadvantages are the that you would lack many resources available to you as a student in a school.

[Intangelon]

So become a teacher, and then you can rake in the massive bucks for sitting on your ass all day long and doing nothing.

Hell, if you're 1/100th as brilliant as you claim to be, you should be able to pass certifications right now, and be a teacher already. A genius like you shouldn't have any problem fooling the stupid moron teachers on the hiring committees.

Why does everybody think that I consider myself to be brilliant or I am arrogant? Defiant maybe, but I would hardly call myself arrogant.

That is because, in post after post, you presume to tell people what they are or how they think, based on a single post, or less. Either that, or you deliberately misinterpret or stuff with straw any legitimate point made contrary to yours.

[Intangelon]

Defiant: 1) The act or an example of defying; bold resistance to an opposing force or authority.
2. Intentionally contemptuous behavior or attitude; readiness to contend or resist

Arrogant: Overbearing pride
- Pride: Pride is either a high sense of one's personal status or ego (i.e., leading to judgments of personality and character) or the specific mostly positive emotion that is a product of praise or independent self-reflection.

They generally go hand-in-hand. You're defiant in saying the system sucks, you're arrogant in thinking you could run it better.

I don't think I nor any other one specific person could run it better. Also, I don't think having opinions about something makes you arrogant.

Expressing them without proper consideration for what other actually say, however....

[Intangelon]

Why does everybody think that I consider myself to be brilliant or I am arrogant? Defiant maybe, but I would hardly call myself arrogant.

That's a good question to ask yourself, Bendira.

Why is it that everyone seems to get the same lousy impression of you? It's possible that everyone else is wrong and you are right, and everyone is simply afraid of your brave and defiant principled stance on whatever it is you have a stance about. But is that the most likely explanation?

Oh, I remember asking myself that question some years back. I actually heard myself say once, "what's wrong with everyone else that they don't get me?"

It's a painful stage that's very hard to see through. Cool thing is, when you do see through it, the ability to laugh at yourself, really hear and understand others, and not have a gigantic chip on your shoulder becomes a terrific gift.

[Intangelon]

How about we get back on topic while you guys can flame each other via TGs

How about you learn what a flame is and don't read the posts you don't like. Scroll buttons exist for a reason, mate.