School Damage

[Georgism]

And quite absurd. Public schools? For the the elite? Unless one is British, in which case that's true, because in their adorable fashion, the British call schools "public" that an American would call "private."

More proof that us British are actually living in an Orwellian dystopia

[Juristonia]

If the public schools I went to were for the elite, this country is literally being run by baboons.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You're just saying that cause you're brainwashed by the man, man!

Right on. Smoke some of this, piss in a bottle, throw it at the pigs (the cops, not the animals, dude, ANIMAL RIGHTS, man!) and suddenly you see it, dude. The violence inherent in the system. And you're like...woaaaaah, it's like I just escaped the matrix or something. And you try all that bullet-time shit, but because you're new, the cop-agents just bundle you into the back of a van, your mom has to pay bail and you get grounded for like a month or something. Bummer.

[Horsefish]

Persecution complex much?

So because the teachers and everyone don't all fit with your ill contrived ideology they must all be out to get you and public school is sooo damaging to you that you need some serious help to cope? Seriously grow up. Your the stereotype of an angsty student who's jumped onto a radical bandwagon and claims to be more enlightenened than everyone else and sooo much more intelligent.
What did you study at school? Cause if it was where you actully learned things it wouldn't seem so "politicaly biased" or whatever your calling it. I mean it's hard to give things like chemistry and physics ect. a political bias.

[Atheimsa]

I don't know what is wrong with American teachers but in Germany one has to study the subjecy one wants to teach to master level as well as studying education to Master level to be able to teach at German schools.

Most American Teachers do have Master's degrees, though it's not an absolute requirement... My wife, in fact, has two Post-Masters certificates on top of her Masters and is heading back to school this summer for a third. I think the US' largest problem, is that compared to most of the rest of the free world, we pay our teachers like shit; and treat them that way too. The teachers aren't the real problem, the parents are. Most parents in the US either treat school like day care and ignore the progress of their child and expect the teacher to do all the parenting; or are helicopter parents and second-guess their kids performance and blame their child's failures on the teacher.

It is a shame when teachers are paid and regarded so poorly. How the proverb: education is the profession that make all other possible.

[Ravea]

It's not ideal, but it's the best we have until the Vulcans take over.

Home school? Private school? Public hardly seems like the best.

There really aren't a whole lot of people who have the money for private school and the time (or intelligence) for home schooling.

[Farnhamia]

Most American Teachers do have Master's degrees, though it's not an absolute requirement... My wife, in fact, has two Post-Masters certificates on top of her Masters and is heading back to school this summer for a third. I think the US' largest problem, is that compared to most of the rest of the free world, we pay our teachers like shit; and treat them that way too. The teachers aren't the real problem, the parents are. Most parents in the US either treat school like day care and ignore the progress of their child and expect the teacher to do all the parenting; or are helicopter parents and second-guess their kids performance and blame their child's failures on the teacher.

It is a shame when teachers are paid and regarded so poorly. How the proverb: education is the profession that make all other possible.

Or "You get what you pay for." Of course, it's the teachers' own fault, you know, for insisting on unionizing and demanding pay raises and benefits and such. If they would just let the Free Market take care of them, life could be beautiful.

[Ashmoria]

if you are hoping to rely on school, any school, to teach you everything you need to know you are goign the wrong way.

if you think that you arent learning what you will need for your own particular plans for the future, you need to learn that on your own. mass schooling is to make sure that everyone has the basics. its up to you to learn the rest.

[Atheimsa]

It is a shame when teachers are paid and regarded so poorly. How the proverb: education is the profession that make all other possible.

Or "You get what you pay for." Of course, it's the teachers' own fault, you know, for insisting on unionizing and demanding pay raises and benefits and such. If they would just let the Free Market take care of them, life could be beautiful.

Teacher are owned by the state here...unless they go to a private school.

[Farnhamia]

Or "You get what you pay for." Of course, it's the teachers' own fault, you know, for insisting on unionizing and demanding pay raises and benefits and such. If they would just let the Free Market take care of them, life could be beautiful.

Teacher are owned by the state here...unless they go to a private school.

Where is "here"?

[North Suran]

Or "You get what you pay for." Of course, it's the teachers' own fault, you know, for insisting on unionizing and demanding pay raises and benefits and such. If they would just let the Free Market take care of them, life could be beautiful.

Nonsense!

If we had a free market, we wouldn't need an education system anymore, since we would have already invented cranial implants that download information straight into the brains of the user! Also, perpetual motion machines.

[Farnhamia]

Or "You get what you pay for." Of course, it's the teachers' own fault, you know, for insisting on unionizing and demanding pay raises and benefits and such. If they would just let the Free Market take care of them, life could be beautiful.

Nonsense!

If we had a free market, we wouldn't need an education system anymore, since we would have already invented cranial implants that download information straight into the brains of the user! Also, perpetual motion machines.

How could I forget?

[The Norwegian Blue]

Is there really no part of you that recongizes it was the contrived hyperbole of your examples that make them ridiculous?

I really hope you outgrow this adolescent victim mentality that you're so mired in, or you're going to need a lot more government help over the years than you're ostensibly sincere beliefs would allow you to accept...

The jews had a victim mentality too. Fuck em. Damn kids and their silly notions of right and wrong.

This is the best response to "stop using so much ridiculous hyperbole" EVER.

[Georgism]

The jews had a victim mentality too. Fuck em. Damn kids and their silly notions of right and wrong.

This is the best response to "stop using so much ridiculous hyperbole" EVER.

On topic, I like my school.

[Bendira]

The jews had a victim mentality too. Fuck em. Damn kids and their silly notions of right and wrong.

This is the best response to "stop using so much ridiculous hyperbole" EVER.

Its a classic example of when the majority thinks they are right, but later are revealed to be quite wrong. Its always my first choice for comparisons, along with slavery and civil rights. If you don't like it, I don't care

[North Suran]

This is the best response to "stop using so much ridiculous hyperbole" EVER.

Its a classic example of when the majority thinks they are right, but later are revealed to be quite wrong. Its always my first choice for comparisons, along with slavery and civil rights. If you don't like it, I don't care

So your first response to a point is always Godwin's Law? How telling.

The jews had a victim mentality too. Fuck em. Damn kids and their silly notions of right and wrong.

[Bendira]

Its a classic example of when the majority thinks they are right, but later are revealed to be quite wrong. Its always my first choice for comparisons, along with slavery and civil rights. If you don't like it, I don't care

So your first response to a point is always Godwin's Law? How telling.

The jews had a victim mentality too. Fuck em. Damn kids and their silly notions of right and wrong.

Im not making a direct comparison based on the specific actions. Just drawing comparisons between two social phenomenon.

[Georgism]

Im not making a direct comparison based on the specific actions. Just drawing comparisons between two social phenomenon.

'Let's gas the Jews!' is indeed equal to 'Let's make kids learn things which will be useful both to themselves and to society!'

Lay off him guys, he has a point.

[Bendira]

Im not making a direct comparison based on the specific actions. Just drawing comparisons between two social phenomenon.

'Let's gas the Jews!' is indeed equal to 'Let's make kids learn things which will be useful both to themselves and to society!'

Lay off him guys, he has a point.

Thats clearly not what im saying. I like using nazi germany as an example of when a majority of people were wrong and a miniority were right to provide clear evidence that such events can and have occured throughout history. Its mainly a tactic I use to call people out on their stupid ass bullshit about me being wrong based solely on the fact that I hold a minority opinion. You can Godwins law all day, but in the end Godwin can suck me, because I don't respect his laws.

[North Suran]

'Let's gas the Jews!' is indeed equal to 'Let's make kids learn things which will be useful both to themselves and to society!'

Lay off him guys, he has a point.

Thats clearly not what im saying. I like using nazi germany as an example of when a majority of people were wrong and a miniority were right to provide clear evidence that such events can and have occured throughout history. Its mainly a tactic I use to call people out on their stupid ass bullshit about me being wrong based solely on the fact that I hold a minority opinion.

No one is saying your opinion is wrong because it's in the minority. We're saying it's wrong because it's stupid.

You can Godwins law all day, but in the end Godwin can suck me, because I don't respect his laws.

Such a rebel without a cause.

[Bendira]

Thats clearly not what im saying. I like using nazi germany as an example of when a majority of people were wrong and a miniority were right to provide clear evidence that such events can and have occured throughout history. Its mainly a tactic I use to call people out on their stupid ass bullshit about me being wrong based solely on the fact that I hold a minority opinion.

No one is saying your opinion is wrong because it's in the minority. We're saying it's wrong because it's stupid.

You can Godwins law all day, but in the end Godwin can suck me, because I don't respect his laws.

Such a rebel without a cause.

My opinion being stupid is not an argument. You have to show how its stupid, and so far not a single person has coherently made any sort of argument void of personal insults or semi-embarrassing rage.

[Aethyopea]

At least in the Netherlands the religious schools are pretty much also public schools. The joys of our system

Ah, poor Europe. Thousands of years of beautiful history and it ends up biting you in the ass.

Eh. 's not so bad. My public high school was nominally catholic as well, and we barely ever actually got any religion. It was perfectly possible for you to be an outspoken atheist and study there with no problem.

Then again, I was smart enough not to be born in kaaskop-country.

[North Suran]

No one is saying your opinion is wrong because it's in the minority. We're saying it's wrong because it's stupid.


Such a rebel without a cause.

My opinion being stupid is not an argument.

It's just a fact.

[You have to show how its stupid,

There's been pages and pages of people doing just that. Just because you choose to ignore them doesn't mean they don't exist. I'll summarise:

You ask why people use the public education system. This seems fairly self-evident - so they can receive an education. Not everyone can afford private education. As it stands, your criticisms of the system are pitiful, insofar as they apply to any and all forms of education, excepting home schooling.

[Conserative Morality]

Except that "'Diseases are caused by God's will" has been replaced with "You must know algebra or you will definitely become a hobo and die".

I was told that my chosen field (programming) was very maths heavy and that I would need to master various complex maths in high school to get a job in the industry.

You know how many times I've used complex maths since I finished school? Zero.

Actually, all my math teachers have confessed to the entire class that the only reason you need the class is to pass, and you'll probably never need to use it. However, they say, better safe than sorry. Not that I agree, but it's hardly "Learn this or be a hobo"

[Farnhamia]

My opinion being stupid is not an argument.

It's just a fact.

[You have to show how its stupid,

There's been pages and pages of people doing just that. Just because you choose to ignore them doesn't mean they don't exist. I'll summarise:

You ask why people use the public education system. This seems fairly self-evident - so they can receive an education. Not everyone can afford private education. As it stands, your criticisms of the system are pitiful, insofar as they apply to any and all forms of education, excepting home schooling.

This has been another "The Government Sucks, You Can't Prove Me Wrong, You Are Not The Boss Of Me" thread, brought to you by The Freedom Fighters of Bendira.