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Why Would She Deny It?

Postby Imsogone » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:54 pm

Most Marines I've met and heard about are proud of their service. Most of them say "once a Marine, always a Marine". Esprit d'corps and loyalty are hallmarks of the Marine Corps. So why would Bea Arthur deny having served? And as one of the first women to enlist in the Corps? Makes no sense to me.

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Postby Maurepas » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:57 pm

Probably looks bad for an Actress, I mean, could you picture Maude or the Golden Girls as Marines? :?

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Postby Call to power » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:46 pm

maybe we should believe her?

also that if your not in the Army what's the point? *scampers*
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Postby Lauchlin » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:49 pm

Imsogone wrote:Most Marines I've met and heard about are proud of their service. Most of them say "once a Marine, always a Marine". Esprit d'corps and loyalty are hallmarks of the Marine Corps. So why would Bea Arthur deny having served? And as one of the first women to enlist in the Corps? Makes no sense to me.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/ ... ing-marine

Lots of people aren't proud of being in the military. Why wouldn't she deny it?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:53 pm

Call to power wrote:maybe we should believe her?

also that if your not in the Army what's the point? *scampers*


You know, your pro-army bias gets a little wearing at times.

If it weren't for the other two branches who would make us look good?

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Postby Call to power » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:59 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:If it weren't for the other two branches who would make us look good?


non G3 pansies :p
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Postby Venici » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:49 pm

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Postby Yeongam » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:52 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Call to power wrote:maybe we should believe her?

also that if your not in the Army what's the point? *scampers*


You know, your pro-army bias gets a little wearing at times.

If it weren't for the other two branches who would make us look good?


What's that old saying? If you want something done, send in the Army. If you want something done right, send in the Marines.

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Postby Kreigan » Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:56 pm

Yeongam wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You know, your pro-army bias gets a little wearing at times.

If it weren't for the other two branches who would make us look good?


What's that old saying? If you want something done, send in the Army. If you want something done right, send in the Marines.

really so then why are we having a tough time in afganistan since the marines are over there right now, the best of the best supposedly seem to b dieing alot. I justseen on the news another marines dead and I also seen a soldier in the army was awarded the medal fo honor. hmmm doesnt look good for marines.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:23 pm

Because she's crazy.

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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:51 pm

Some women might have considered the Women marine corps auxiliary as less them military service. I generally would say it counts, but if a woman wants to discount her own services then that is her business.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:57 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:If it weren't for the other two branches who would make us look good?


If you're counting Marines, I think it would be other three branches, wouldn't it? Or are Royal Marines not a branch of their own like the USMC is?
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Postby Imsogone » Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:20 am

greed and death wrote:Some women might have considered the Women marine corps auxiliary as less them military service. I generally would say it counts, but if a woman wants to discount her own services then that is her business.


Funny thing about that - women in the Navy during WWII (indeed up until quite recently) were called Waves, women in the Army were called Wacs, women in the Coast Guard were called Spars. Guess what women in the Marines were called .... they were called .. Marines. It seems like the most macho branch of the military had less trouble giving women equal credit than the other branches.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:37 am

She might feel ashamed of her serving in the military. Maybe it is inconvenient for her to admit she served.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:11 am

Altamirus wrote:
Lauchlin wrote:Lots of people aren't proud of being in the military. Why wouldn't she deny it?

^And lots of people are. Why would she deny it especially sense she was one of the first women to enlist in the corps? What is her reasoning?


Perhaps it was not a nice time for her.
Or perhaps she is ashamed of the things she was ordered to do, or the joy her fellow marines derived from inflicting pain.

Does not have to be rational though ;)
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Postby Georgism » Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:17 am

You let women into your marines?
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Postby St George of England » Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:20 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:If it weren't for the other two branches who would make us look good?


If you're counting Marines, I think it would be other three branches, wouldn't it? Or are Royal Marines not a branch of their own like the USMC is?

The Royal Marines are apart of Her Majesty's Royal Navy....

I think they started off as separate but were amalgamated into the RN when the Royal Fleet Auxiliary was created as a sub-branch of the RN (from the Merchant Navy, which was a separate branch)
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:24 am

Maybe she just...forgot?
I mean, she was getting up there in years...
Plus, that generation doesn't utter a peep about those years, so that could be part.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:47 am

Imsogone wrote:Most Marines I've met and heard about are proud of their service. Most of them say "once a Marine, always a Marine". Esprit d'corps and loyalty are hallmarks of the Marine Corps. So why would Bea Arthur deny having served? And as one of the first women to enlist in the Corps? Makes no sense to me.


Not everyone is proud of every period of one's life. Denying it, though, is a bit... nonsensical.
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Postby Vonners » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:15 am

St George of England wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
If you're counting Marines, I think it would be other three branches, wouldn't it? Or are Royal Marines not a branch of their own like the USMC is?

The Royal Marines are apart of Her Majesty's Royal Navy....

I think they started off as separate but were amalgamated into the RN when the Royal Fleet Auxiliary was created as a sub-branch of the RN (from the Merchant Navy, which was a separate branch)


Historically they've pretty much always been RN...1660's ish is the first record of RM's ....although the term did not apply (Marines)...it was the Dutch that did that...called their ship borne soldiery Marines...

It was with the advent of the commando units that the RM became independent of just being ship based soldiers pretty much...
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Postby Rambhutan » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:23 am

Still it makes more sense than that bullshit story Lucille Ball told about discovering a spy by picking up radio messages with her fillings.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:25 am

St George of England wrote:The Royal Marines are apart of Her Majesty's Royal Navy....

I think they started off as separate but were amalgamated into the RN when the Royal Fleet Auxiliary was created as a sub-branch of the RN (from the Merchant Navy, which was a separate branch)


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Postby Vonners » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:32 am

Rambhutan wrote:Still it makes more sense than that bullshit story Lucille Ball told about discovering a spy by picking up radio messages with her fillings.


that's a new on me! wow!

I like the story of Hedy Lamarr - besides being a movie star was also an inventor who patented frequency hopping that really helped wireless networking (and torpedoes!).

http://web.archive.org/web/200805182254 ... r/1997.php

Actress Hedy Lamarr and composer George Antheil are being honored by the EFF this year with a special award for their trail-blazing development of a technology that has become a key component of wireless data systems. In 1942 Lamarr, once named the "most beautiful woman in the world" and Antheil, dubbed "the bad boy of music" patented the concept of "frequency-hopping" that is now the basis for the spread spectrum radio systems used in the products of over 40 companies manufacturing items ranging from cell phones to wireless networking systems.


https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _invention

Together, Antheil and Lamarr submitted the idea of a secret communication system in June 1941. On August 11, 1942, US Patent 2,292,387 was granted to Antheil and "Hedy Kiesler Markey", Lamarr's married name at the time. This early version of frequency hopping used a piano roll to change between 88 frequencies and was intended to make radio-guided torpedoes harder for enemies to detect or jam.

The idea was not implemented in the USA until 1962, when it was used by U.S. military ships during a blockade of Cuba[5] after the patent had expired. Perhaps owing to this lag in development, the patent was little-known until 1997, when the Electronic Frontier Foundation gave Lamarr an award for this contribution.[1] In 1998, Ottawa wireless technology developer Wi-LAN, Inc. "acquired a 49 percent claim to the patent from Lamarr for an undisclosed amount of stock" (Eliza Schmidkunz, Inside GNSS);[6] Antheil had died in 1959.
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