The Zeitgeist Movement.

[Vonners]

much like the OP not engaging with your rebuttal...

AUGH, I'M INVISIBLE! Except the 6th sensers like you apparently

I had gas at the time

[Andaricus]

While I find most of what The Zeitgeist Movement says preposterous and idiotic in the extremes, I do agree that a heavily Libertarianized society where all are Free and where Freedom of Commerce, Science, Trade and Individualism are at their highest levels is the closest We're ever going to get to a Utopian Society and Better Future.

[Glorious Homeland]

AUGH, I'M INVISIBLE! Except the 6th sensers like you apparently

Did someone hear that? No? Must have been the wind.

LOL. *Wails windishly and goes to haunt someone*

AUGH, I'M INVISIBLE! Except the 6th sensers like you apparently

I had gas at the time

AUGH YOU MONSTER!!

[Vonners]

Did someone hear that? No? Must have been the wind.

LOL. *Wails windishly and goes to haunt someone*

I had gas at the time

AUGH YOU MONSTER!!

yeah sorry...

I really would be interesting in hearing the OP's response to your post. I am not holding my breath. Only my nose

[Genivar]

It goes much further then that my friend. The Zeitgeist Movement wants to abolish the monetary system entirely, they want to do away with all money and currency and adopt what they call a Resource Based Economy.

Which is thinly veiled idiocy and pseudo-communism.

The core idea of communism which states *From each according to his ability, To each according to his need*
Does bear some similarities to the idea of a Resource based Economy where the natural resources are used for the benefit of all instead of the profit of a few.

Communism however used money and labor, had social stratification, and elected officials to maintain the communists' traditions. Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance. Machine production rather than labor will dominate the future.

To claim that The Zeitgeist Movement is communistic in nature is wrong. If you require a word for it try Technocracy.

[Glorious Homeland]

Which is thinly veiled idiocy and pseudo-communism.

The core idea of communism which states *From each according to his ability, To each according to his need*
Does bear some similarities to the idea of a Resource based Economy where the natural resources are used for the benefit of all instead of the profit of a few.

Communism however used money and labor, had social stratification, and elected officials to maintain the communists' traditions. Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance. Machine production rather than labor will dominate the future.

To claim that The Zeitgeist Movement is communistic in nature is wrong. If you require a word for it try Technocracy.

I did say "pseudo-communism" as opposed to other more specific terms like marxist- or what have you for a reason... anyway, go back and look over my rebuttal please.

[Jostedule]

The only thing rational about their ramblings is the one on religion.

What, "Jesus is Horus"? Not hardly.

Maybe you should watch the movie again.

[Genivar]

It goes much further then that my friend. The Zeitgeist Movement wants to abolish the monetary system entirely, they want to do away with all money and currency and adopt what they call a Resource Based Economy.

But don't you think that's a tad unfair. Not every country has the same amount of resources. I concede, countries do not have all the same amount of monetary resources either. But you seems to be forgetting human greed. The Zeitgeist Movement is purely utopia.

Belief in Human greed requires belief in human nature, there is no such thing as human nature.
People act and think in the way they are brought up, its a persons environment that shapes their behavior not their *Nature*.
Human Nature is a myth.

[Cosmopoles]

Like all political and economic system claiming to be somewhat utopian I am highly suspicious of the movement. I wouldn't really equate it to communism but they do have one thing in common, in that the founders of both ideologies seem to think a somewhat post scarcity economy is something which can be achieved relatively simply which is pretty much bollocks.

[Genivar]

The core idea of communism which states *From each according to his ability, To each according to his need*
Does bear some similarities to the idea of a Resource based Economy where the natural resources are used for the benefit of all instead of the profit of a few.

Communism however used money and labor, had social stratification, and elected officials to maintain the communists' traditions. Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance. Machine production rather than labor will dominate the future.

To claim that The Zeitgeist Movement is communistic in nature is wrong. If you require a word for it try Technocracy.

I did say "pseudo-communism" as opposed to other more specific terms like marxist- or what have you for a reason... anyway, go back and look over my rebuttal please.

Excuse me for my language but that is a FUCKING HUGE rebuttal. I will make one counter argument however.
You say that activism is merely political. Untrue. Activism consists of intentional action to bring about social, political, economic, or environmental change.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

But don't you think that's a tad unfair. Not every country has the same amount of resources. I concede, countries do not have all the same amount of monetary resources either. But you seems to be forgetting human greed. The Zeitgeist Movement is purely utopia.

Belief in Human greed requires belief in human nature, there is no such thing as human nature.
People act and think in the way they are brought up, its a persons environment that shapes their behavior not their *Nature*.
Human Nature is a myth.

Are you sure human nature is a myth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_nature

So humans do not have ways of thinking, acting and feeling that distinguish them from other species? You're telling me that a human does not feel the need to be superior or to amass riches? And that these do not distinguish him/her from, say, elephants? Are you denying that humans are part of nature itself?

[Hydesland]

Does bear some similarities to the idea of a Resource based Economy where the natural resources are used for the benefit of all instead of the profit of a few.

This doesn't actually say anything. It doesn't explain how resources are allocated, and how people are incentivised to be productive. It just asserts an alleged result.

Communism however used money and labor

Not all forms.

, had social stratification,

Most systems tried to get rid of stratification, that was the main goal after all. That they fell short of this is irrelevant.

Most importantly, Communism did not eliminate SCARCITY nor did they have a blueprint or the methods for the production of abundance. Machine production rather than labor will dominate the future.

This still doesn't say anything about economics.

[Vonners]

But don't you think that's a tad unfair. Not every country has the same amount of resources. I concede, countries do not have all the same amount of monetary resources either. But you seems to be forgetting human greed. The Zeitgeist Movement is purely utopia.

Belief in Human greed requires belief in human nature, there is no such thing as human nature.
People act and think in the way they are brought up, its a persons environment that shapes their behavior not their *Nature*.
Human Nature is a myth.

so there are no inheritable diseases that influence behaviour?

[Meryuma]

Bad. The economy being centrally planned by machines is a horrible idea. Also, they trademarked the term "resource-based economy".

[Lauchlin]

Belief in Human greed requires belief in human nature, there is no such thing as human nature.
People act and think in the way they are brought up, its a persons environment that shapes their behavior not their *Nature*.
Human Nature is a myth.

Are you sure human nature is a myth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_nature

So humans do not have ways of thinking, acting and feeling that distinguish them from other species? You're telling me that a human does not feel the need to be superior or to amass riches? And that these do not distinguish him/her from, say, elephants? Are you denying that humans are part of nature itself?

This is presumably the part the poster in question is objecting to. People use the phrase "human nature" to describe whatever negative attribute they possess that they would like to universalize, so they don't have to feel responsible for their own behaviour.

If it were human nature to feel the need to be superior or to amass riches, every human being would be doing those things.

[Bendira]

Zeitgeist Movement is basically an anarcho-leftist group in disguise. Zeitgeist was total bullshit too.

[Panzerjaeger]

Bad. The economy being centrally planned by machines is a horrible idea. Also, they trademarked the term "resource-based economy".

I disagree the Terminator movies have taught me that Machines can do no wrong.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Belief in Human greed requires belief in human nature, there is no such thing as human nature.
People act and think in the way they are brought up, its a persons environment that shapes their behavior not their *Nature*.
Human Nature is a myth.

so there are no inheritable diseases that influence behaviour?

Apparently not. And the OP seems to conveniently forget too that even those who have lived or live in egalitarian (Communist) societies (and I know Communism/Marxism is nothing but farting at the moon idealism and utopian dreaming) have desires and feelings of wanting things for themselves. Even if they can't because of the society they live in.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Are you sure human nature is a myth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_nature

So humans do not have ways of thinking, acting and feeling that distinguish them from other species? You're telling me that a human does not feel the need to be superior or to amass riches? And that these do not distinguish him/her from, say, elephants? Are you denying that humans are part of nature itself?

This is presumably the part the poster in question is objecting to. People use the phrase "human nature" to describe whatever negative attribute they possess that they would like to universalize, so they don't have to feel responsible for their own behaviour.

If it were human nature to feel the need to be superior or to amass riches, every human being would be doing those things.

Who's to say they aren't trying to? I would like to amass riches. I can't at the moment, but I am working towards it. And I know my personal stance amounts to nothing. But who's to say that others have the desire yet can't amass riches because their situations do not permit it?

[Trotskylvania]

Zeitgeist Movement is basically an anarcho-leftist group in disguise. Zeitgeist was total bullshit too.

They fail pretty hard at being anarchists and leftists. It's the old technocratic babbling dressed up in new form. It really isn't anything new, and like always, it's not coherent in any sense of the term.

Zeitgeist is a political vision for anti-social people who hate politics but go gaga over things like AI, "Science!" and automation.

[Lauchlin]

This is presumably the part the poster in question is objecting to. People use the phrase "human nature" to describe whatever negative attribute they possess that they would like to universalize, so they don't have to feel responsible for their own behaviour.

If it were human nature to feel the need to be superior or to amass riches, every human being would be doing those things.

Who's to say they aren't trying to? I would like to amass riches. I can't at the moment, but I am working towards it. And I know my personal stance amounts to nothing. But who's to say that others have the desire yet can't amass riches because their situations do not permit it?

I'm not trying to. If I gave a shit about being rich, I wouldn't have spent the last decade getting English degrees. So either I'm not a human, or the drive to amass riches is not human nature.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Who's to say they aren't trying to? I would like to amass riches. I can't at the moment, but I am working towards it. And I know my personal stance amounts to nothing. But who's to say that others have the desire yet can't amass riches because their situations do not permit it?

I'm not trying to. If I gave a shit about being rich, I wouldn't have spent the last decade getting English degrees. So either I'm not a human, or the drive to amass riches is not human nature.

That's just you then, for the moment. I've spoken to a few people who would like to become rich.

[Vonners]

Zeitgeist Movement is basically an anarcho-leftist group in disguise. Zeitgeist was total bullshit too.

They fail pretty hard at being anarchists and leftists. It's the old technocratic babbling dressed up in new form. It really isn't anything new, and like always, it's not coherent in any sense of the term.

Zeitgeist is a political vision for anti-social people who hate politics but go gaga over things like AI, "Science!" and automation.

well I like AI's, Science and automation...am slightly anti social and really do hate politics (in that it really does tend to fuck things up) but this Zeitgeist stuff is blatant bollocks.

[Genivar]

Like all political and economic system claiming to be somewhat utopian I am highly suspicious of the movement. I wouldn't really equate it to communism but they do have one thing in common, in that the founders of both ideologies seem to think a somewhat post scarcity economy is something which can be achieved relatively simply which is pretty much bollocks.

The idea is that energy scarcity can be completely eliminated if we adopt widespread use of Solar, Wind, Water, and Geothermal energy.

[Trotskylvania]

They fail pretty hard at being anarchists and leftists. It's the old technocratic babbling dressed up in new form. It really isn't anything new, and like always, it's not coherent in any sense of the term.

Zeitgeist is a political vision for anti-social people who hate politics but go gaga over things like AI, "Science!" and automation.

well I like AI's, Science and automation...am slightly anti social and really do hate politics (in that it really does tend to fuck things up) but this Zeitgeist stuff is blatant bollocks.

There's a difference between liking something and going gaga over it.