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Postby Hornopolis » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:16 pm

Teccor wrote: It's a "lets celebrate our skin color" day invented in the '60s.

Isn't that what Christmas is/was too?
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Postby Wilgrove » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:16 pm

Imsogone wrote:
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Kwanzaa isn't a holiday.


Christmas wasn't a holiday, either, until the Catholic Church decided it was. Used to be Yule until the Catholic Church decided it should be Christmas.


Sorry, had to fix that for ya. :)

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Postby Teccor » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:17 pm

Imsogone wrote:
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Kwanzaa isn't a holiday.


Christmas wasn't a holiday, either, until the Catholic Church decided it was.

Indeed. Christmas is the day we celebrate the birth of Christ, and also the day that pagans celebrate Yule, and many other religions, including Wiccans and Santerians (I believe) celebrate their holidays. I never denied this.
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Postby Hornopolis » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:17 pm

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why do I always think of Snake, and not the Hulk?

Probably has something to do with your childhood. :D
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Postby Innsmothe » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:18 pm

Hornopolis wrote:
Teccor wrote: It's a "lets celebrate our skin color" day invented in the '60s.

Isn't that what Christmas is/was too?


Which is weird, because mostly likely Jesus was an Arab, Mediterranean(Roman rape explanation) or Kurdish.
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Postby Teccor » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:18 pm

Hornopolis wrote:
Teccor wrote: It's a "lets celebrate our skin color" day invented in the '60s.

Isn't that what Christmas is/was too?

Not really.

Though, if you can find something to prove this I'll give an ounce of legitimacy to the argument that only Protestant Whites celebrate Christmas.
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Postby Wilgrove » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:19 pm

Innsmothe wrote:
Hornopolis wrote:Isn't that what Christmas is/was too?


Which is weird, because mostly likely Jesus was an Arab, Mediterranean(Roman rape explanation) or Kurdish.


I think Jesus would be a middle eastern Israelite.

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Postby Hornopolis » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:20 pm

Innsmothe wrote:
Hornopolis wrote:Isn't that what Christmas is/was too?


Which is weird, because mostly likely Jesus was an Arab, Mediterranean(Roman rape explanation) or Kurdish.

I don't think I called him white...
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Postby Teccor » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:21 pm

Hornopolis wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:
Which is weird, because mostly likely Jesus was an Arab, Mediterranean(Roman rape explanation) or Kurdish.

I don't think I called him white...

No, you didn't.

Blacks, whites, asians, mexicans, spanish, russians, indians, native americans and even some Jews I know celebrate Christmas. It's pretty nondenominational, with a Catholic undertone.
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Postby Imsogone » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:23 pm

Teccor wrote:
Hornopolis wrote:Isn't that what Christmas is/was too?

Not really.

Though, if you can find something to prove this I'll give an ounce of legitimacy to the argument that only Protestant Whites celebrate Christmas.


I'm totally amused by the fact that Protestants (from the root protest meaning protesting the Catholic Church and everything it stood for and practiced) have claimed all the Catholic holidays from Christmas (Christ's Mass) to Hallowe'en (All Hallow's Eve the day before All Soul's Day) (timing of aforesaid holidays set to coincide with Pagan holidays in order to confuse everyone into being Catholic). Silly Protestants, don't you know that you're still Catholic in origin? Just as Catholicism is still Judeo-Roman in origin. The only real Protestants are the ones who've stopped observing all the Catholic holidays.
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Postby Innsmothe » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:25 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:
Which is weird, because mostly likely Jesus was an Arab, Mediterranean(Roman rape explanation) or Kurdish.


I think Jesus would be a middle eastern Israelite.


Then he could be expected to be as I explained or be an amalgamation of the local races.

'Israelite' isn't a racial term as more of a regional term.
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Postby Wilgrove » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:26 pm

Innsmothe wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
I think Jesus would be a middle eastern Israelite.


Then he could be expected to be as I explained or be an amalgamation of the local races.

'Israelite' isn't a racial term as more of a regional term.


I know.

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Postby Teccor » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:26 pm

Innsmothe wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
I think Jesus would be a middle eastern Israelite.


Then he could be expected to be as I explained or be an amalgamation of the local races.

'Israelite' isn't a racial term as more of a regional term.

He would have been, most likely, a semite.

And he would not have been white. *shakes fist at Catholic art of him as a white guy with a beard*
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Postby Innsmothe » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:29 pm

Teccor wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:
Then he could be expected to be as I explained or be an amalgamation of the local races.

'Israelite' isn't a racial term as more of a regional term.

He would have been, most likely, a semite.

And he would not have been white. *shakes fist at Catholic art of him as a white guy with a beard*


It's because they want to relate to their 'heros'
It's the same reason they depicted Arthur as a medieval knight, even though he would have lived in the 5-6th century.
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ان الذي فشل لقتلي فقط يجعلني غريب
"an aledy feshel leqtely feqt yej'eleny gheryeb"
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Postby Imsogone » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:30 pm

Teccor wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:
Then he could be expected to be as I explained or be an amalgamation of the local races.

'Israelite' isn't a racial term as more of a regional term.

He would have been, most likely, a semite.

And he would not have been white. *shakes fist at Catholic art of him as a white guy with a beard*


Haven't you heard of this Middle Eastern group - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adyghe_people. They were light skinned and, sometimes, blue-eyed and blond - they were also called Circassians.
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Postby Innsmothe » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:31 pm

Imsogone wrote:
Teccor wrote:He would have been, most likely, a semite.

And he would not have been white. *shakes fist at Catholic art of him as a white guy with a beard*


Haven't you heard of this Middle Eastern group - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adyghe_people. They were light skinned and, sometimes, blue-eyed and blond - they were also called Circassians.

They live in Eastern europe...not the Arabian peninsular or Judea.
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ان الذي فشل لقتلي فقط يجعلني غريب
"an aledy feshel leqtely feqt yej'eleny gheryeb"
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Postby Zeyad » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:34 pm

A war on Christmas? Really? That's strange then, I've had garland hanging outside of my apartment door and I've had no one waving pitchforks at me. I guess I'm just not that important to be angry mob'ed out of town. :(
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Postby Sebytania » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:43 pm

Imsogone wrote:
Teccor wrote:Not really.

Though, if you can find something to prove this I'll give an ounce of legitimacy to the argument that only Protestant Whites celebrate Christmas.


I'm totally amused by the fact that Protestants (from the root protest meaning protesting the Catholic Church and everything it stood for and practiced) have claimed all the Catholic holidays from Christmas (Christ's Mass) to Hallowe'en (All Hallow's Eve the day before All Soul's Day) (timing of aforesaid holidays set to coincide with Pagan holidays in order to confuse everyone into being Catholic). Silly Protestants, don't you know that you're still Catholic in origin? Just as Catholicism is still Judeo-Roman in origin. The only real Protestants are the ones who've stopped observing all the Catholic holidays.


Protestants take a day off work during religious festives. If they had really taken all the Saint-this-and-that days to themselves, they couldn't get any work done. And that's somewhat against the Protestant work ethic.

But Catholics took the holiday first from us, and hence no Christian who celebrates Christmas, Easter et cetera is a true Christian, but rather a pagan who wants to please the Christians. Don't worry though, my brothers and sisters, you may follow the example of our ancestors and wash the baptism off in a river. Or, seeing as the water is pretty damn cold this time of the year (and the rivers are most likely frozen), I guess a sink will do just fine.

Teccor wrote:
Innsmothe wrote:
Then he could be expected to be as I explained or be an amalgamation of the local races.

'Israelite' isn't a racial term as more of a regional term.

He would have been, most likely, a semite.

And he would not have been white. *shakes fist at Catholic art of him as a white guy with a beard*


Kinda depends on the definition of "white". It's pretty mixed up in most areas of the world, especially in the border areas of "races", such as the one between Europe and Africa.

Unless, of course, you are a nazi white supremacist white nationalist. In that case, the definition of white is "whoever is not non-white", the definition of non-white being "whoever I don't like"

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Postby Bottle » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:55 pm

Most Jews where I grew up celebrated "Christmas" in one form or another. There's a picture of me lighting menorah candles at my friend Mark's house, with a Christmas tree plainly visible behind us. I grew up feeling that the story of Jesus was equal in importance to the story of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer in terms of Christmas mythology; the baby in the manger was just another one of the many Christmas stories that we were told.
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Postby Imsogone » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:07 pm

Sebytania wrote:
Imsogone wrote:
I'm totally amused by the fact that Protestants (from the root protest meaning protesting the Catholic Church and everything it stood for and practiced) have claimed all the Catholic holidays from Christmas (Christ's Mass) to Hallowe'en (All Hallow's Eve the day before All Soul's Day) (timing of aforesaid holidays set to coincide with Pagan holidays in order to confuse everyone into being Catholic). Silly Protestants, don't you know that you're still Catholic in origin? Just as Catholicism is still Judeo-Roman in origin. The only real Protestants are the ones who've stopped observing all the Catholic holidays.


Protestants take a day off work during religious festives. If they had really taken all the Saint-this-and-that days to themselves, they couldn't get any work done. And that's somewhat against the Protestant work ethic.

But Catholics took the holiday first from us, and hence no Christian who celebrates Christmas, Easter et cetera is a true Christian, but rather a pagan who wants to please the Christians. Don't worry though, my brothers and sisters, you may follow the example of our ancestors and wash the baptism off in a river. Or, seeing as the water is pretty damn cold this time of the year (and the rivers are most likely frozen), I guess a sink will do just fine.



Teccor wrote:He would have been, most likely, a semite.

And he would not have been white. *shakes fist at Catholic art of him as a white guy with a beard*


Kinda depends on the definition of "white". It's pretty mixed up in most areas of the world, especially in the border areas of "races", such as the one between Europe and Africa.

Unless, of course, you are a nazi white supremacist white nationalist. In that case, the definition of white is "whoever is not non-white", the definition of non-white being "whoever I don't like"


Or a hot shower or bath, or a dip in the hot tub. We're not that fussy.

Or in some parts of the US, your surname - no matter how blond and blue-eyed you are, if your surname is Ramirez, you're not white
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Postby Teccor » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:11 pm

Imsogone wrote:[...] if your surname is Ramirez, you're not white.

RAMIREZ! Multiple footmobiles to the South-East!
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Postby Auremena » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:13 pm

I'm annoyed at the music. One of my teachers has a singing hat, there is a house across the street that has lights timed to music, which plays loud all night, and mom is always playing it. It's annoying in other respects too. I've never been joyous and festive during the "season", but this year I am even less so.
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Postby Mosasauria » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:18 pm

The War on Christmas was just a media mud-slinging fest to get as many viewers as possible. It doesn't exist in either arguement.
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Postby F1-Insanity » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:30 pm

Imsogone wrote:[...] if your surname is Ramirez, you're not white.


But you can be 'ugly'.

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Postby Geniasis » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:40 pm

Auremena wrote:I'm annoyed at the music. One of my teachers has a singing hat, there is a house across the street that has lights timed to music, which plays loud all night, and mom is always playing it. It's annoying in other respects too. I've never been joyous and festive during the "season", but this year I am even less so.


Honestly, I think that Christmas is one occasion when the religious music (and I'm talking about the old choral stuff) can be appreciated regardless of one's religious inclinations.

Granted, old choral music is always totally kickass.
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