Should civilization be destroyed?

[Natapoc]

Well? Should it? What's so good about civilization anyway? Imagine how much more easy everything would be without it? Nearly all the problems that people are so worried about (often to the point of killing each other) these days are the direct result of civilization.

If you could have stopped civilization from ever stating would you have?
Do you think it is possible to return to a pre civilization state?

If you like civilization why? What value is there in civilization for you personally?

[The Plutonian Empire]

Civilization is a wonderful game.

Sid Meier is God.

[Helertia]

Well? Should it? What's so good about civilization anyway? Imagine how much more easy everything would be without it? Nearly all the problems that people are so worried about (often to the point of killing each other) these days are the direct result of civilization.

If you could have stopped civilization from ever stating would you have?
Do you think it is possible to return to a pre civilization state?

If you like civilization why? What value is there in civilization for you personally?

Whats good about Civilization? Belgian chocolate.

Civilisation is pretty nifty, what with the medicine and electricity and the knowledge. I think heading back to the Stone Age wouldn't be particularly desireable, although on the flip side there's no more Justin Beiber.

[Kalysk]

I don't know, I kinda like living past thirty.

[Avenio]

If you could have stopped civilization from ever stating would you have?

Not disputing the idea that civilization could be permanently 'stopped', no, I wouldn't have.

Do you think it is possible to return to a pre civilization state?

Sure, if you kill enough of the world's populace and erase enough of the infrastructure and technology. Though eventually it will 'grow' back.

If you like civilization why?

Not dying of easily preventable disease, food I don't have to kill myself, not dying at the natural age of fourty. Among many other reasons.

What value is there in civilization for you personally?

The things listed above, as well as modern science, technology and culture.

[Ifreann]

Civilisation is what allows humans to thrive. Without it, I expect the vast majority, if not the entirety of humanity would be dead. I'm gonna come down on the side of keeping it.

[Brogavia]

No, because wiping your ass with pine needles really sucks.

[Natapoc]

If you like civilization why?

Not dying of easily preventable disease, food I don't have to kill myself, not dying at the natural age of fourty. Among many other reasons.

The things listed above, as well as modern science, technology and culture.

Presuming your claim that the natural age of pre civilization humans was 40 (which there is no proof) then you would have, as a pre civilization human felt that it was the natural time to die just as you (or most people) currently can't imagine wanting to live past a certain age granted to you by civilization so also as a pre civilization human you would accept your dieing age as normal.

Civilization also spreads these "preventable" and not so preventable diseases.

[Natapoc]

No, because wiping your ass with pine needles really sucks.

You have been using pine needles?

[Brogavia]

No, because wiping your ass with pine needles really sucks.

You have been using pine needles?

Lets just say when you're out in the woods hunting and its a mile back to toliet paper and you're praire doggin it, you use what you can get.

[Hydesland]

Civilization also spreads these "preventable" and not so preventable diseases.

It also spreads ideas and knowledge, technology, music, art, literature, creative works and excitement from sufring to roller-coasters, from videogames to rock concerts. I don't want to live in a world without this.

[Nadkor]

If we're doing the whole Sea Peoples thing again, can it please be noted that I get seasick in small boats.

[Natapoc]

If we're doing the whole Sea Peoples thing again, can it please be noted that I get seasick in small boats.

Sea peoples? What sea people? You may be doing sea people but I'm not.

[Bafuria]

No thanks, I like my current life expectancy of 79.6 years.

[The Deleted Chris]

Not dying of an easily treatable disease in my early thirties would be one advantage.

[Ifreann]

Not dying of easily preventable disease, food I don't have to kill myself, not dying at the natural age of fourty. Among many other reasons.

The things listed above, as well as modern science, technology and culture.

Presuming your claim that the natural age of pre civilization humans was 40 (which there is no proof) then you would have, as a pre civilization human felt that it was the natural time to die just as you (or most people) currently can't imagine wanting to live past a certain age granted to you by civilization so also as a pre civilization human you would accept your dieing age as normal.

Except we know that with the proper application of civilisation and medicine we can live pretty decent lives into our 80s.

Civilization also spreads these "preventable" and not so preventable diseases.

And gives us a way to treat them. I don't mind getting sick knowing I can get some medicine. Getting sick and knowing I'm now likely to die, fuck that noise.

[The Batorys]

Civilization also spreads these "preventable" and not so preventable diseases.

It also spreads ideas and knowledge, technology, music, art, literature, creative works and excitement from sufring to roller-coasters, from videogames to rock concerts. I don't want to live in a world without this.

Pretty much this, plus the chocolate comment someone made earlier.


Ooh, I also like being able to have sex without much risk of becoming a parent. Oh, and if I do choose to become a parent, I like the much lowered infant mortality rate and lower rate of mothers dying in childbirth that modern civilization brings.

[Natapoc]

No thanks, I like my current life expectancy of 79.6 years.

Since this implied myth keeps being repeated I'll correct it for you. There is a certain misunderstanding with regard to "life expectancy."

These numbers refer to "life expectancy at birth" There are a few life points (mostly early childhood) where if you survive then you will live for a very long time. There were certainly 90 year olds in pre civ time.

Assuming you yourself are older than a young child (a good assumption I believe) you yourself would probably not have a significant difference in life expectancy.

[Athiests4AnimalRights]

I feel obliged to point out that, without civilization, we would not have sufficient infrastructure to prepare B-12 in vitamin form, and thus all humanity would be forced to return to an omnivorous diet.

Food for thought, you know.

[Natapoc]

Presuming your claim that the natural age of pre civilization humans was 40 (which there is no proof) then you would have, as a pre civilization human felt that it was the natural time to die just as you (or most people) currently can't imagine wanting to live past a certain age granted to you by civilization so also as a pre civilization human you would accept your dieing age as normal.

Except we know that with the proper application of civilisation and medicine we can live pretty decent lives into our 80s.

Civilization also spreads these "preventable" and not so preventable diseases.

And gives us a way to treat them. I don't mind getting sick knowing I can get some medicine. Getting sick and knowing I'm now likely to die, fuck that noise.

Only a minority, the lucky few have the benefit of being able to just "get some medicine."

Large segments of the population are dieing right now of illnesses that are easy to prevent and cure.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Civilization is a wonderful game.

Sid Meier is God.

[Nerditopia]

Civilization is a wonderful game.

Sid Meier is God.

It's great.

[Brogavia]

No thanks, I like my current life expectancy of 79.6 years.

Since this implied myth keeps being repeated I'll correct it for you. There is a certain misunderstanding with regard to "life expectancy."

These numbers refer to "life expectancy at birth" There are a few life points (mostly early childhood) where if you survive then you will live for a very long time. There were certainly 90 year olds in pre civ time.

Assuming you yourself are older than a young child (a good assumption I believe) you yourself would probably not have a significant difference in life expectancy.

He also probably doesn't want to have to deal with his children dying.

[Natapoc]

I feel obliged to point out that, without civilization, we would not have sufficient infrastructure to prepare B-12 in vitamin form, and thus all humanity would be forced to return to an omnivorous diet.

Food for thought, you know.

Untrue. B12 is produced by a bacteria and in an unsanitary society would be available in quantities exceeding requirements.

[Natapoc]

Since this implied myth keeps being repeated I'll correct it for you. There is a certain misunderstanding with regard to "life expectancy."

These numbers refer to "life expectancy at birth" There are a few life points (mostly early childhood) where if you survive then you will live for a very long time. There were certainly 90 year olds in pre civ time.

Assuming you yourself are older than a young child (a good assumption I believe) you yourself would probably not have a significant difference in life expectancy.

He also probably doesn't want to have to deal with his children dying.

Then that is the argument he should have made