What is a fair punishment for rape?

[Sedgistan]

Drakonaj, cut out the picspam. if you want to post an image in the thread, make sure it's relevant, put it in spoiler tags, and say something as well. EDIT: Not picspam actually, taking into account the topic of the thread. Other points still stand.

Altamirus - if quoting an image, put it in spoiler tags.

[GSSR]

Drakonaj, cut out the picspam. if you want to post an image in the thread, make sure it's relevant, put it in spoiler tags, and say something as well. EDIT: Not picspam actually, taking into account the topic of the thread. Other points still stand.

Altamirus - if quoting an image, put it in spoiler tags.

Just shoot him

[Plopburger]

Any intentional killing is murder. Condoning murder makes you an evil person and the act you condone is more evil than rape.

Get on your main account, troll.

This may not be my main account, but I am not trolling. Murder is more evil than rape and this I genuinely believe to be self-evident.

[GSSR]

Get on your main account, troll.

This may not be my main account, but I am not trolling. Murder is more evil than rape and this I genuinely believe to be self-evident.

Either way I say just shoot em

[Quelesh]

Wait, did you seriously just say it is "wrong" for somebody to change their mind in the middle?!

That is so deeply screwed up. I cannot even grasp why you would WANT to keep fucking somebody after they say "No," no matter what you're doing. How can you WANT to keep fucking somebody who is asking you to stop? How can you be turned on by somebody being bored, or unconscious, or in pain, or otherwise NOT HAVING FUN?

I get that some people are into S&M or whatever, but you've given no indication that you're talking about those kinds of games. You seem to think it's NORMAL for guys to want to keep fucking a girl who doesn't want to keep fucking.

That's just...ugh. So much ugh. I don't even know how to deal with that sick shit.

I agree with this. Sex is a wonderful thing, it really is. It is beautiful in all of its consensual aspects, and people are far too uptight about it. That said, sex is supposed to be about mutual pleasure. Everyone involved is supposed to be having a good time, or at least want to be there doing it.

I'm not saying that everyone has to get off every time. I've gone down on a woman or given a guy a blowjob and not gotten anything in return at that time, and the reverse has happened as well, and that's fine. But everyone has to agree to what's going on, and if they don't agree and you do it anyway, it's a violation of their bodily sovereignty.

About having sex with people while they're unconscious, I think it is possible though to consent to that beforehand, so it's not necessarily always wrong. I have an ex-girlfriend who explicitly told me that it would be okay for me to have sex with her while she's sleeping. That never actually happened, but she did explicitly tell me she agreed to it, so I don't think it would have been wrong.

listen, killing ain't always murder, killing during war is justafiable, and killing a rapist or a murderer is no more then severe punishment for their severe crime. and also by slamming the raped like you did above is so jag-off-ish of you, how bout we rape you and see your answer!!!! all yins people posting crap like you just did are misinformed

and also by slamming the raped like you did above is so jag-off-ish of you, how bout we rape you and see your answer!!!! all yins people posting crap like you just did are misinformed

and also by slamming the raped like you did above is so jag-off-ish of you, how bout we rape you and see your answer!!!!

how bout we rape you and see your answer!!!!

how bout we rape you

how bout we rape you

Any intentional killing is murder. Condoning murder makes you an evil person and the act you condone is more evil than rape.

Get on your main account, troll.

You accuse Plopburger of being a troll, but no accusation of trolling for Jordanda, who advocated the rape of another poster?

I don't know if he's trolling or not, but even if he is, that doesn't mean there's no truth in what he's saying. There are shades of gray in everything, of course. Some kinds of intentional killing are less bad than others, and condoning killing doesn't make a person evil I wouldn't say. I do think it's wrong, however, and quite inhuman, not even mentioning the advocacy of torture that we've seen in this thread.

"I want to make these people suffer because I hate them and because it would give me pleasure to see them in pain" is basically what a lot of people in this thread have said.

Rape usually results in murder of a sort

I think this is horribly insulting to people who have been raped.

What you and other people who say this usually mean is that when a person is raped, a part of them dies; that they are never fully human again, that they're "damaged goods," permanently psychologically scarred, and will never recover, will never again lead a normal life. The implication here is that people who have been raped are weak, that they are now something less than human because of what has happened to them and that they lack the strength to recover from it. This is a terrible insult and slur on them.

People who have been raped are human beings just like everyone else, and they have widely varying reactions to being raped. Many of them lead happy, fulfilling lives after the rape, and all of them are certainly fully human and alive, not dead in any way as this insult suggests.

[Wiztopia]

If they don't care about something that is their position just because you think they are cowards doesn't mean they are. They don't take either side if they don't care about something.

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.
- Desmond Tutu

I think he says it well.

Except just because they don't defend something in the case of injustice does not mean they are actually taking sides. Besides that post is about you calling it cowardice anyway.

[Wiztopia]

Get on your main account, troll.

This may not be my main account, but I am not trolling. Murder is more evil than rape and this I genuinely believe to be self-evident.

You said soldiers are murderers so quit trolling.

[Conservative Alliances]

listen, killing ain't always murder, killing during war is justafiable, and killing a rapist or a murderer is no more then severe punishment for their severe crime. and also by slamming the raped like you did above is so jag-off-ish of you, how bout we rape you and see your answer!!!! all yins people posting crap like you just did are misinformed

Any intentional killing is murder. Condoning murder makes you an evil person and the act you condone is more evil than rape.

No, any unlawful killing is murder.

[Geniasis]

You said soldiers are murderers so quit trolling.

It's not accurate, but it isn't a troll. No more than plenty of other things that are said. On the contrary, that is perhaps one of less offensive comments I have seen.

[GSSR]

You said soldiers are murderers so quit trolling.

It's not accurate, but it isn't a troll. No more than plenty of other things that are said. On the contrary, that is perhaps one of less offensive comments I have seen.

Just shoot em

[Geniasis]

Just shoot em

Can't, they just pass right through 'im.

[Ferrond]

Get on your main account, troll.

This may not be my main account, but I am not trolling. Murder is more evil than rape and this I genuinely believe to be self-evident.

It depends, on the most part it's just a matter of opinions.

[GSSR]

This may not be my main account, but I am not trolling. Murder is more evil than rape and this I genuinely believe to be self-evident.

It depends, on the most part it's just a matter of opinions.

It's a matter of shooting you can solve any problem with a bullet or two

[Trotskylvania]

I'm actually not going to even bother continuing with this line of discussion, because I just realized I'm talking to somebody who used the phrase "women use rape as a weapon" without irony.

Hetero dudes of NSG, this one is your battle. Your brothers are walking around claiming that they can't or won't stop fucking unwilling women. If you're fine with them spreading the idea that this is normal, natural male behavior, and you are comfortable with this characterization of your gender, then so be it. I simply don't hate men enough to buy that crap, but I'm also not going to bother talking about it any further here.

I have tried before. It feels like hitting your head against the wall, whether your a man or woman. These guys are so caught up in their own privilege that they don't care. They feel entitled to sex. If she changes her mind half way through it, then we're just evil feminazi harpies for not believing they are entitled to rape her.

[Ferrond]

It depends, on the most part it's just a matter of opinions.

It's a matter of shooting you can solve any problem with a bullet or two

Agreed

[Nadkor]

I'm actually not going to even bother continuing with this line of discussion, because I just realized I'm talking to somebody who used the phrase "women use rape as a weapon" without irony.

Hetero dudes of NSG, this one is your battle. Your brothers are walking around claiming that they can't or won't stop fucking unwilling women. If you're fine with them spreading the idea that this is normal, natural male behavior, and you are comfortable with this characterization of your gender, then so be it. I simply don't hate men enough to buy that crap, but I'm also not going to bother talking about it any further here.

I have tried before. It feels like hitting your head against the wall, whether your a man or woman. These guys are so caught up in their own privilege that they don't care. They feel entitled to sex. If she changes her mind half way through it, then we're just evil feminazi harpies for not believing they are entitled to rape her.

It's people like them (and, let's not kid ourselves, their opinions are widespread) that make me deeply distrustful and wary of any straight man I meet until I can know for sure he doesn't think the same way. If I get to know a guy and he's got his head screwed on then excellent (and my closest friend is a straight man), but I actually have a general disliking of, and distaste for, any man I don't know for these very reasons.

I should point out that it's not that I don't like men, or males, but I do have a healthy level of cynicism and wariness about men I don't know.

[Pawelmoni]

dozywotnie obóz koncentracyjny plus kastracja

[Saint Jade IV]

I have tried before. It feels like hitting your head against the wall, whether your a man or woman. These guys are so caught up in their own privilege that they don't care. They feel entitled to sex. If she changes her mind half way through it, then we're just evil feminazi harpies for not believing they are entitled to rape her.

It's people like them (and, let's not kid ourselves, their opinions are widespread) that make me deeply distrustful and wary of any straight man I meet until I can know for sure he doesn't think the same way. If I get to know a guy and he's got his head screwed on then excellent (and my closest friend is a straight man), but I actually have a general disliking of, and distaste for, any man I don't know for these very reasons.

I should point out that it's not that I don't like men, or males, but I do have a healthy level of cynicism and wariness about men I don't know.

So very very this. It's one of the reasons I've remained steadfastly single for around 10 years.

[Dyakovo]

Any intentional killing is murder. Condoning murder makes you an evil person and the act you condone is more evil than rape.

No, any unlawful killing is murder.

Actual that is wrong as well...

[The Parkus Empire]

So?

She gets to say "stop" whenever the hell she wants. Why would you want to keep fucking her if she's telling you to stop?

Blue balls

it hurts when you stop in the middle

Plus that is kinda a dick move

I would stop, but also I would be pretty pissed off about it, and apologies had better be given otherwise that person might not see me around anymore

I'm sure plenty of women would feel the same way if you just stopped and said: "no more," in the middle.

Anyway, I would certainly feel a "WTF," but I doubt I'd feel pissed. I'm not entitled to anyone's body, period. Nobody is entitled to such a thing, it violates the most fundamental of rights. And someone who thinks it can ever be his right to rape somebody, is a someone who either sucks at getting laid or who is sick in the head.

[Dyakovo]

It's people like them (and, let's not kid ourselves, their opinions are widespread) that make me deeply distrustful and wary of any straight man I meet until I can know for sure he doesn't think the same way. If I get to know a guy and he's got his head screwed on then excellent (and my closest friend is a straight man), but I actually have a general disliking of, and distaste for, any man I don't know for these very reasons.

I should point out that it's not that I don't like men, or males, but I do have a healthy level of cynicism and wariness about men I don't know.

So very very this. It's one of the reasons I've remained steadfastly single for around 10 years.

*rapes the thread*
...
What?!? It was asking for it!

[Choopia]

More rape.

[Snafturi]

If you find it difficult to stop fucking non-consenting people, seek help.

Presumably they gave consent before they passed out. Woman use rape as a weapon and attention seeking tool, so you have to narrow what can be considered rape considerably. Changing your mind in the middle randomly right ebfore it is over, or passing out is just wrong.

As someone who's been in the position of having sex with someone who's passed out in the middle, I have to say that's just wrong on so many levels. And please, spare me the "but ur a girl, it's easier for you to stop," because A. that's nonsense and B. her husband made the same choice I did. Yes, we were still horny, but I stopped not only because it wasn't any fun with her passed out, but because it felt like a violation to continue. We talked about it the next day and she thanked me for my actions.

[Gravlen]

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.
- Desmond Tutu

I think he says it well.

Except just because they don't defend something in the case of injustice does not mean they are actually taking sides. Besides that post is about you calling it cowardice anyway.

And I still stand by that.

To repeat myself yet again, but with a different example:

A man attacks a woman, and is raping her out in public when another man walks by. The woman cries out for him to help her, but after assessing the situation the other man decides that while it would not be dangerous for him to intervene he simply doesn't care about what's going on - he's completely indifferent about it - and keeps on walking, leaving the woman to suffer the rape. Afterwards, the man claims to have been neutral to what happened, and that he didn't choose the side of the rapist over the side of the victim.

This man is a lot of things, but he's also a coward. He has chosen the side of the rapist even if he tries to justify to himself and anybody who'll listen that he was just indifferent, and he is trying to avoid responsibility for his position by claiming apathy. He is a coward because he does not have the courage to admit that he chose the side of the rapist - because he knows, or should know, that there's only two positions to hold in the scenario above: You're either with him or you're against him. There is no neutral ground here.

[Unhealthy2]

And I still stand by that.

To repeat myself yet again, but with a different example:

A man attacks a woman, and is raping her out in public when another man walks by. The woman cries out for him to help her, but after assessing the situation the other man decides that while it would not be dangerous for him to intervene he simply doesn't care about what's going on - he's completely indifferent about it - and keeps on walking, leaving the woman to suffer the rape. Afterwards, the man claims to have been neutral to what happened, and that he didn't choose the side of the rapist over the side of the victim.

This man is a lot of things, but he's also a coward. He has chosen the side of the rapist even if he tries to justify to himself and anybody who'll listen that he was just indifferent, and he is trying to avoid responsibility for his position by claiming apathy. He is a coward because he does not have the courage to admit that he chose the side of the rapist - because he knows, or should know, that there's only two positions to hold in the scenario above: You're either with him or you're against him. There is no neutral ground here.

Yeah, pretending that a middle ground exists when it really doesn't is just as much of a fallacy as asserting that only two positions are possible when a continuum exists.

Middle ground fallacies are just as bad as false dichotomies.