What is a fair punishment for rape?

[Norstal]

So?

She gets to say "stop" whenever the hell she wants. Why would you want to keep fucking her if she's telling you to stop?

I didn't say that. I said she passed out. She didn't say no, she passed out. Same problem if she were to dose off, is it rape to go off of prior consent when there is situation where there is no indication whether or not your partner wants you to keep going or not?

Said partner is a rapist.

I mean, if you're a banker, do you give a person's asset when they get into a coma? Not only its unethical, but its also illegal. Yeah yeah, the analogy is a red herring, but the meaning is the same.

[Person012345]

Yes, because losing your main source of testosterone isn't going to affect your sex drive or anything.

Rape has absolutely nothing to do with a person's sex drive. People don't commit rape, violent or otherwise, because they're horny. It's due to a fundamental lack of respect for the autonomy of the other person. Either they get off to the violence and the power, or they somehow feel entitled to the sex.

Source?

You commit acts like murder, spousal abuse, etc. if you have no respect for other people's rights and no sex drive. Generally speaking, rape does require someone to have a desire for sex. Otherwise they just do something else.

[Person012345]

So a person who rapes a passed out girl is doing it for the violence or power?

Often times yes. Sometimes they are doing it because of homosocial pressure. Sometimes they are doing it out of anger, if the girl rejected them or they believed she would reject them if they were conscious.

I'm sure some rapists also rape because they want to masturbate into a girl's body and don't particular care how she feels about it, but I wouldn't equate that with being "horny" in the conventional sense. They aren't looking for sex, because sex is a mutual act involving more than one person...a person who wants to use an unconscious girl's body for gratification is not looking for sex, he is simply looking for a means of using another person's body like a Fleshlight.

But the only reason he'd use it for sexual gratification is if he has desire for sexual gratification.

[Person012345]

If you find it difficult to stop fucking non-consenting people, seek help.

Presumably they gave consent before they passed out. Woman use rape as a weapon and attention seeking tool, so you have to narrow what can be considered rape considerably. Changing your mind in the middle randomly right ebfore it is over, or passing out is just wrong.

Yeah I know. I was choking some girl so she couldn't say no (and it's not rape if they don't say no amirite?) and she went and passed out. It's just rude. Then you know what happened? Those fucking cops came along and arrested me. I mean, what right do they have to take away my freedom just because I was forcibly having my way with some girl who didn't want it? I didn't sign no social contract. It's kidnapping!

[Psyonia]

10-20 years in a penal labor camp and chemical castration.

[Latnya]

Hmm Depends on the Rape.

Offender + Victim
Male + Male = Death
Female + Male= Eh he wanted it
Male + Female = Death
Female + Female = a Awesome crime but still death


and this is not taking into consideration of age, attractivenesses or relationship to the victim.

[Dempublicents1]

I didn't say that. I said she passed out. She didn't say no, she passed out. Same problem if she were to dose off, is it rape to go off of prior consent when there is situation where there is no indication whether or not your partner wants you to keep going or not?

Of course it is. Consent is an ongoing process, not a one-time thing. You cannot just assume consent - you need to be sure that you have it.

[Vetok]

Rape has absolutely nothing to do with a person's sex drive. People don't commit rape, violent or otherwise, because they're horny. It's due to a fundamental lack of respect for the autonomy of the other person. Either they get off to the violence and the power, or they somehow feel entitled to the sex.

Source?

You commit acts like murder, spousal abuse, etc. if you have no respect for other people's rights and no sex drive. Generally speaking, rape does require someone to have a desire for sex. Otherwise they just do something else.

Rape can be attributed more to a desire to hold power over someone rather than lustful desires. Look at prisons that use rape as a interrogation tool. It'd be more correct to say that the wardens would be using rape to show their power rather than because they fancy getting it on with someone.

[The Congregationists]

So?

She gets to say "stop" whenever the hell she wants. Why would you want to keep fucking her if she's telling you to stop?

Blue balls

it hurts when you stop in the middle

Plus that is kinda a dick move

I would stop, but also I would be pretty pissed off about it, and apologies had better be given otherwise that person might not see me around anymore

I probobly wouldn't date someone who did something like this just to spite me or show me who was boss (though I would follow through on their wishes to stop). Thing of it is though, how often does that actually happen?

In my entire lifetime, I've partaken in sexual intercourse a number of time approaching, if not exceeding a four digit figure. Things were interrupted mid-coitus three times to my recollection - and all were at my initiative (I should wonder Free Lalouche whether you saw that one coming or not. Just to clarify, I stand up to pee). Once because it was causing me exceeding pain, another time because one of our kids was at the bedroom door trying to get in and the last because she was complaining of being sick to her stomach, but still wanted me to proceed, so to speak. Wise move on my part - projectile vomit has a way of spoiling the romance, if you follow.

Stopping mid-coitus isn't a lot of fun, but like has been suggested, that's why they invented vasaline and right hands. Should any participant in a sexual act HAVE to carry on to the bitter end if, say, sickness, pain or what have you makes it very onerous? What if the kids (or parents or legal spouse) walks in? What if you just have to get back to NSG and argue points like this page after page ... okay, maybe not that but you get the picture. I agree it's a "dick move" to make simply out of spite, but there are all kinds of reasons why the sex act might have to stop midway through that have nothing to do with that.

[GothicLust]

So?

She gets to say "stop" whenever the hell she wants. Why would you want to keep fucking her if she's telling you to stop?

Blue balls

it hurts when you stop in the middle

Plus that is kinda a dick move

I would stop, but also I would be pretty pissed off about it, and apologies had better be given otherwise that person might not see me around anymore

You know raping is a dick move right?

[Oterro]

Hmm Depends on the Rape.

Offender + Victim
Male + Male = Death
Female + Male= Eh he wanted it
Male + Female = Death
Female + Female = a Awesome crime but still death


and this is not taking into consideration of age, attractivenesses or relationship to the victim.

I have italicised that which is utter bullshit.

[Latnya]

Hmm Depends on the Rape.

Offender + Victim
Male + Male = Death
Female + Male= Eh he wanted it
Male + Female = Death
Female + Female = a Awesome crime but still death


and this is not taking into consideration of age, attractivenesses or relationship to the victim.

I have italicised that which is utter bullshit.

yes it is bull, but im a crazy person wtf do you want me to do about it

[Oterro]

I have italicised that which is utter bullshit.

yes it is bull, but im a crazy person wtf do you want me to do about it

I want you to try and not blurt stuff like that out. Can I make you stop saying stuff resembling it? No. Would I like you to? Yes. Rape is rape, and while a female violating a male is far less common than a man raping a woman, it is still a heinous and horrible crime.

[Gravlen]

But I'm glad you now say that you don't think people should see rape and beating as part of the punishment

I'm sorry, did I say that? I'm pretty sure I didn't.

My mistake, I misread that part.

So what is your stance then?

[Gravlen]

It can be. When you chose apathy/indifference towards injustice, even if that injustice happens to convicted criminals, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. And doing so, you try to avoid taking your share of the responsibility for letting it happen because, hey, you're simply not caring and not actually doing the evil deeds. It is the path of a coward.

Uh no.
cow·ard·ice
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–noun
lack of courage to face danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.

–noun
1.
lack of interest or concern: We were shocked by their indifference toward poverty.

2 completely different things. If somebody doesn't care about something then by that definition it doesn't make them a coward.

When they choose to not care, and thus take the side of the oppressor, they have done so lacking the courage to actually state their position so they can avoid taking responibility for the consequences that follow. i.e. saying "I don't care" equals "I support it happening".

It's all there in my post, I really shouldn't have to spell it out for someone who is capable of looking up undisputed words in the dictionary.

[The Norwegian Blue]

Female + Male= Eh he wanted it
Female + Female = a Awesome crime but still death

You are really not funny. I get that you're probably young enough that you're still in the phase of life where you think saying moronic and offensive things is hilarious in and of itself, but...it's not. It's just moronic and offensive. Rape is never "awesome" and rape victims by definition do not "want it." I sincerely hope you never find out firsthand just how non-awesome being raped is.

[Gravlen]

If you find it difficult to stop fucking non-consenting people, seek help.

Presumably they gave consent before they passed out. Woman use rape as a weapon and attention seeking tool, so you have to narrow what can be considered rape considerably. Changing your mind in the middle randomly right ebfore it is over, or passing out is just wrong.

Presumably they gave consent before they passed out... Ok, but how can you presume that they gave consent for continuing to have sex after they passed out?

People have the right to change their minds, and that is to be respected. It's your obligation to stop when the other party says that this is going too far, or that he doesn't want to do this anymore. The fact that some people have used presented false allegations of rape for varying purposes in the past doesn't change that at all.

And how in the Hell can it be "wrong" to pass out?

[Gravlen]

I have italicised that which is utter bullshit.

yes it is bull, but im a crazy person wtf do you want me to do about it

Seek help?

[Gravlen]

Rape has absolutely nothing to do with a person's sex drive. People don't commit rape, violent or otherwise, because they're horny. It's due to a fundamental lack of respect for the autonomy of the other person. Either they get off to the violence and the power, or they somehow feel entitled to the sex.

I think Wikipedia says it well:

There is no single theory that conclusively explains the motivation for rape; the motives of rapists can be multi-factorial and are the subject of debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivation_for_rape

There doesn't appear to be a basis for absolutely discounting a person's sex drive as a factor. The picture seems to be more complex.

[Glorious Freedonia]

There are a lot of aggravating factors for rape and I do not think that there is a 1 size fits all punishment. Factors like knowingly being infected with an STD and then raping someone can make it very serious especially HIV/AIDS . The level of violence used is also an aggravating factor. I also think that the raped person can be an aggravating factor too. Man rapers and child rapers are the worst. Rapers of senile old ladies and other handicapped people are pretty bad too. Prostitute rapers are not all that bad because after all they are just whores. That probably is not PC but PC people have a scant hold on the truth anyway. It also kinda depends on whether it is a war rape because that is a mitigating factor. However, the war rapes can be pretty brutal and certainly warrant death.

Rape is one of those very scary crimes where it seems that there might be a lot of false convictions so that sort of makes me not want these people to get the death sentence unless there are a lot of aggravating factors. I have no source for this but it just seems like it might be the case.

[Atheimsa]

I think continuing sex while your spouse passed out is kinda sick anyway..

[The Norwegian Blue]

Prostitute rapers are not all that bad because after all they are just whores. That probably is not PC but PC people have a scant hold on the truth anyway.

Yeah, "prostitutes are still human beings" is clearly a totally unreasonable and untrue statement.

It also kinda depends on whether it is a war rape because that is a mitigating factor.

How the hell is that a mitigating factor?

[Gravlen]

Man rapers [...] are the worst.

Based on... what?

Prostitute rapers are not all that bad because after all they are just whores.

...say what?

I'm loathe to ask this but... Explain that reasoning?

It also kinda depends on whether it is a war rape because that is a mitigating factor.

...

I'm horrified to ask this but... Explain that reasoning?

Rape is one of those very scary crimes where it seems that there might be a lot of false convictions so that sort of makes me not want these people to get the death sentence unless there are a lot of aggravating factors. I have no source for this but it just seems like it might be the case.

So... You're basically just pulling stuff out of your ass?

[Glorious Freedonia]

Prostitute rapers are not all that bad because after all they are just whores. That probably is not PC but PC people have a scant hold on the truth anyway.

Yeah, "prostitutes are still human beings" is clearly a totally unreasonable and untrue statement.

It also kinda depends on whether it is a war rape because that is a mitigating factor.

How the hell is that a mitigating factor?

Nobody said that prostitutes are not people. At least I sure did not. They do an important job in our society. It just does not seem that it would be as traumatic for a whore to have sex with a stranger as it might be for the average person. With the whore it is more like well they were stolen from than the victim of a violent attack on their person.

War rape is mitigating because there is in many cultures like Russia a rich tradition of war rape. We saw it in our involvement with the Boxer Rebellion and we saw it in Germany. This factor is mitigating but there are still other factors that aggravate it. For example, there are some brutal war rapes throughout Africa that are death penalty worthy for sure.

[Norstal]

Man rapers and child rapers are the worst. Rapers of senile old ladies and other handicapped people are pretty bad too. Prostitute rapers are not all that bad because after all they are just whores.

Women can put shards of glass up your ass, just like a man can stick a penis up your ass. Its not "worse".

Nobody said that prostitutes are not people. At least I sure did not. They do an important job in our society. It just does not seem that it would be as traumatic for a whore to have sex with a stranger as it might be for the average person. With the whore it is more like well they were stolen from than the victim of a violent attack on their person.

You are so wrong. Throwing a baseball at a baseball player in their head has the same effect of throwing a baseball at a non-baseball player.

War rape is mitigating because there is in many cultures like Russia a rich tradition of war rape. We saw it in our involvement with the Boxer Rebellion and we saw it in Germany. This factor is mitigating but there are still other factors that aggravate it. For example, there are some brutal war rapes throughout Africa that are death penalty worthy for sure.

When cultural traditions conflicts with international law, its bad.