What is a fair punishment for rape?

[Person012345]

Why 18?

Why a distinction at all?

Well, if it's a child then I can understand the mentality of harsher punishment (since it tends to fuck up a child more and they're naturally dependent on adults so it's a bigger breach of trust and could be seen as "worse" in that way, plus of course paedophilia is ickier), whether I agree with it or not, but I don't really see why 18 since most countries have a lower age of consent than that, and if they don't then it's considered rape in ALL cases no matter whether it was consensual or not. And it seems a bit harsh to castrate an 18 year old for having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend.

[Militsia]

Jail. In some cases chemical castration.

[Gravlen]

Because what Kronstadtia said. Because we respect the rule of law and human rights. I frankly care little for what some people think. Some people think homosexuals should be killed because of their sexuality, some people think black people should be killed because of the colour of their skin, and some people suggest that we should simply accept that it happens. I have little patience for such cowards. When we can do something to stop it happening, we should.

And that goes double when the government places the person in prison in the name of ensuring the safety of society. The responsibility for the safety of that person is one that the government has to take seriously. If it fails to do so, and if it becomes accepted that prisons are somehow outside the law, the legitimacy of the government as dispenser of justice and punishment fails with it.

I'm confused here. Apathy/indifference is cowardice now?

It can be. When you chose apathy/indifference towards injustice, even if that injustice happens to convicted criminals, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. And doing so, you try to avoid taking your share of the responsibility for letting it happen because, hey, you're simply not caring and not actually doing the evil deeds. It is the path of a coward.

I don't think you can necessarily consider this "cowardice."

If somebody believes that it is wrong for black people to be killed due to the color of their skin, yet they stand by and do nothing to stop it, THAT might be cowardice. But if somebody believes black people SHOULD be killed, or believes that it doesn't matter whether or not black people are killed, and they stand aside and do nothing to stop the killing of black people, then there are lots of ugly names I would call their beliefs but I don't know if I can assume that "cowardly" should be among them.

Likewise with this topic. I may think it is hideous to wish rape upon anybody, but I know some people (including some rape survivors) who do exactly that. I don't think all those people are cowards, nor do I think all of them are motivated by cowardice, and I don't think it is cowardice that lets them view prison rape as something they simply don't give a shit about stopping.

I suppose "evil inhuman assholes" would be more accurate, but I was worried that it would be seen as a personal attack even if I didn't mean it to be, so I chose cowardice, which I think is correct as per above.

But since that created some confusion, let's stick with "evil inhuman assholes". I don't have any patience with them either.

[Person012345]

I'm confused here. Apathy/indifference is cowardice now?

It can be. When you chose apathy/indifference towards injustice, even if that injustice happens to convicted criminals, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. And doing so, you try to avoid taking your share of the responsibility for letting it happen because, hey, you're simply not caring and not actually doing the evil deeds. It is the path of a coward.

May I ask what you've done recently to help combat prison rape?

[Gravlen]

It can be. When you chose apathy/indifference towards injustice, even if that injustice happens to convicted criminals, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. And doing so, you try to avoid taking your share of the responsibility for letting it happen because, hey, you're simply not caring and not actually doing the evil deeds. It is the path of a coward.

May I ask what you've done recently to help combat prison rape?

Luckily, it isn't a significant problem in my jurisdiction. It's not accepted nor tolerated, and any accusation of rape by an inmate is treated seriously and dealt with strictly if sufficient evidence is found. Any victim is offered necessary care and gets economic compensation from the government for, among other things, failure of protection. (We had a case in 2007, he recieved a little over $12,000 as compensation from the government, even though there was insufficient evidence to prosecute his alleged assailants.)

So luckily, I don't have to do anything specifically related to prison rape.

[Person012345]

May I ask what you've done recently to help combat prison rape?

Luckily, it isn't a significant problem in my jurisdiction. It's not accepted nor tolerated, and any accusation of rape by an inmate is treated seriously and dealt with strictly if sufficient evidence is found. Any victim is offered necessary care and gets economic compensation from the government for, among other things, failure of protection. (We had a case in 2007, he recieved a little over $12,000 as compensation from the government, even though there was insufficient evidence to prosecute his alleged assailants.)

So luckily, I don't have to do anything specifically related to prison rape.

Ah, so as long as it's not happening near you it's fine to let it happen?

[Gravlen]

Luckily, it isn't a significant problem in my jurisdiction. It's not accepted nor tolerated, and any accusation of rape by an inmate is treated seriously and dealt with strictly if sufficient evidence is found. Any victim is offered necessary care and gets economic compensation from the government for, among other things, failure of protection. (We had a case in 2007, he recieved a little over $12,000 as compensation from the government, even though there was insufficient evidence to prosecute his alleged assailants.)

So luckily, I don't have to do anything specifically related to prison rape.

Ah, so as long as it's not happening near you it's fine to let it happen?

You tell me, you're the one suggesting that we see rape and beating as a part of prison life, while I objected to that notion without any geographical limitations for my objections.

So no, despite the words you're trying to put in my mouth, it's not fine. Alas, I there's limits to what I can do. So what have I done to help combat prison rape outside of my jurisdiction and what I can directly affect? I forgot, I've supported Amnesty International and their campaign to improve the conditions in prison (arguing that prison rapes are a form of torture, and that the governments have an obligation to hinder them) worldwide, and in particular against female inmates by prison guards / staff.

At least I'm not a part of the problem.

[Person012345]

Ah, so as long as it's not happening near you it's fine to let it happen?

You tell me, you're the one suggesting that we see rape and beating as a part of prison life, while I objected to that notion without any geographical limitations for my objections.

No, I was suggesting that some people see rape and beating as part of the punishment. Not that I do, or that anyone should.

So no, despite the words you're trying to put in my mouth, it's not fine. Alas, I there's limits to what I can do. So what have I done to help combat prison rape outside of my jurisdiction and what I can directly affect? I forgot, I've supported Amnesty International and their campaign to improve the conditions in prison (arguing that prison rapes are a form of torture, and that the governments have an obligation to hinder them) worldwide, and in particular against female inmates by prison guards / staff.

At least I'm not a part of the problem.

Indeed. Your claim was that apathy (and by extension, non-action, since "caring" about it is hardly useful in any way, and if you weren't mostly apathetic you'd act) is cowardice, which you subsequently changed to being an evil inhuman asshole. So, if you were not combating it, then you'd be what you are criticizing.

Though characterizing people who happen to have different opinions to you "evil inhuman assholes" is not good.

[Gravlen]

You tell me, you're the one suggesting that we see rape and beating as a part of prison life, while I objected to that notion without any geographical limitations for my objections.

No, I was suggesting that some people see rape and beating as part of the punishment. Not that I do, or that anyone should.

That's a change of tone from before. But I'm glad you now say that you don't think people should see rape and beating as part of the punishment, despite your opposition to that sentiment previously.

Indeed. Your claim was that apathy (and by extension, non-action, since "caring" about it is hardly useful in any way, and if you weren't mostly apathetic you'd act) is cowardice, which you subsequently changed to being an evil inhuman asshole. So, if you were not combating it, then you'd be what you are criticizing.

And I stand by that. I also realize that there are limits to what an individual can do, which is why I said "When we can do something to stop it happening, we should."

That goes for all human rights violations. If you don't care that your government is torturing people, well, then you're a part of the problem.

Though characterizing people who happen to have different opinions to you "evil inhuman assholes" is not good.

When the shoe fits...

At any rate, I think it's worse to tolerate and advocate serious crimes and human rights violations, so I'll live with calling a spade a shovel.

[Person012345]

But I'm glad you now say that you don't think people should see rape and beating as part of the punishment

I'm sorry, did I say that? I'm pretty sure I didn't.

[Dyakovo]

If the rapee is >18, the raper deserves forced labour.

If the rapee is <18, castration.

Why 18?

18 is the age of majority where he's from?

[Person012345]

Why 18?

18 is the age of majority where he's from?

Not everywhere, and he didn't say "if the rapee is under the age of consent".

[Dyakovo]

18 is the age of majority where he's from?

Not everywhere, and he didn't say "if the rapee is under the age of consent".

What part of "where he's from" did you not get?

[Wiztopia]

It can be. When you chose apathy/indifference towards injustice, even if that injustice happens to convicted criminals, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. And doing so, you try to avoid taking your share of the responsibility for letting it happen because, hey, you're simply not caring and not actually doing the evil deeds. It is the path of a coward.

Uh no.
cow·ard·ice
   /ˈkaʊərdɪs/ Show Spelled[kou-er-dis] Show IPA
–noun
lack of courage to face danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.

–noun
1.
lack of interest or concern: We were shocked by their indifference toward poverty.

2 completely different things. If somebody doesn't care about something then by that definition it doesn't make them a coward.

[Norstal]

If the rapee is >18, the raper deserves forced labour.

If the rapee is <18, castration.

There goes the entire American population of teenagers.

[Rogernomics]

Castration, they can never do it again.

[Nadkor]

Castration, they can never do it again.

I don't think you quite understand how castration works.

[Eireann Fae]

If the rapee is >18, the raper deserves forced labour.

If the rapee is <18, castration.

There goes the entire American population of teenagers.

And nothing of value was lost ;)

[Wiztopia]

If the rapee is >18, the raper deserves forced labour.

If the rapee is <18, castration.

There goes the entire American population of teenagers.

American teenagers are all rapists?

[Snafturi]

No, I was suggesting that some people see rape and beating as part of the punishment. Not that I do, or that anyone should.

That's a change of tone from before. But I'm glad you now say that you don't think people should see rape and beating as part of the punishment, despite your opposition to that sentiment previously.

Indeed. Your claim was that apathy (and by extension, non-action, since "caring" about it is hardly useful in any way, and if you weren't mostly apathetic you'd act) is cowardice, which you subsequently changed to being an evil inhuman asshole. So, if you were not combating it, then you'd be what you are criticizing.

And I stand by that. I also realize that there are limits to what an individual can do, which is why I said "When we can do something to stop it happening, we should."

That goes for all human rights violations. If you don't care that your government is torturing people, well, then you're a part of the problem.

Though characterizing people who happen to have different opinions to you "evil inhuman assholes" is not good.

When the shoe fits...

At any rate, I think it's worse to tolerate and advocate serious crimes and human rights violations, so I'll live with calling a spade a shovel.

Doesn't the fact that prison rape is so rare in Norway, and the fact that victim is cared for and compensated proof that Norwegian society as a whole doesn't tolerate prison rape and treats it as a serious issue? I mean, seriously, how would those laws have been passed, and how would the stats be so low if most Norwegians didn't find the idea absolutely deplorable? You can contrast that to America, where prison rape jokes aren't exactly uncommon. Or to this thread where people have actually advocated for it.

[Trotskylvania]

Why do so many people want to castrate rapists?

Your testicles are pretty much dead weight in the sexual act. Losing 'em isn't going to stop someone from having sex.

[Eireann Fae]

Why do so many people want to castrate rapists?

Your testicles are pretty much dead weight in the sexual act. Losing 'em isn't going to stop someone from having sex.

"Yay! No more rape babies they can sue me for child support over! Also, streamlined grindin', baby, YEAH!"

*cough*

[Atheimsa]

Depends on the person, if it is a one off kind of person than an amount of time in prison may solve it but if it is a recurrent and extremly violent(psychologically and physically) i am for keeping them in prison with an additional safe keeping afterwards.

[Yohannes]

Easy answer to this question would be, if you are the victim, how would you feel about the whole thing..? I think that the victim(s) should have the say on the punishment, although i know that this is not practical at all.

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But then again, i shudder just to think about the word ra** in the first place.
I'd say the answer of this question will vary from person to person.

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However, this is what i think, i think the victim(s) should have the say on the punishment of the perpetrator of the said crime.

[Person012345]

Not everywhere, and he didn't say "if the rapee is under the age of consent".

What part of "where he's from" did you not get?

The part that was relevant.