What is a fair punishment for rape?

[Wiztopia]

a few years but if its an child that has been raped then they should die

That is not a punishment fit for civilisation.

Go to Africa or the Persian gulf.

Nah it really is. Rape is worse than murder.

[Urelia]

In the best instance if the one who raped had a bad psychological position then they must be subjugated to forced medical assistance in any other instance then life time in prison or death by electrocution.

[Gravlen]

That is not a punishment fit for civilisation.

Go to Africa or the Persian gulf.

Nah it really is. Rape is worse than murder.

I disagree, and I dispute that you can claim that as some sort of objective truth.

[Person012345]

There is no such thing as a fair punishement. Punishing a living being for his\her mistakes is never fair.

So... every crime gets a slap on the wrist and a "don't do that again" now?

No, that would be punishment.

[Dempublicents1]

Nah it really is. Rape is worse than murder.

I disagree, and I dispute that you can claim that as some sort of objective truth.

I don't think it's possible to generalize it that way. Rape and murder both encompass crimes with a range of severity and circumstances. It is possible that a given act of rape might be worse* than a given act of murder, and vice versa.

*And how do we measure "worse" anyway?

[Equimanthon]

In a perfect system, execution. But I don't trust my government (or any other government I know of) with the death penalty, so an acceptable alternative would be life in prison with no possibility of parole, mandatory 14 hours of work per day with all wages going directly to organizations which help provide health care and counseling for rape survivors.

Word for word this.

[Gravlen]

I disagree, and I dispute that you can claim that as some sort of objective truth.

I don't think it's possible to generalize it that way. Rape and murder both encompass crimes with a range of severity and circumstances. It is possible that a given act of rape might be worse* than a given act of murder, and vice versa.

I agree.

*And how do we measure "worse" anyway?

We can try to look on the damage inflicted on the individual and on the society, but that will only lead to some general guidelines and not tell us anything about the individual cases.

[Geniasis]

There is never an excuse for committing a crime unless it was a crime of passion that wasn't premeditated. By that I mean you walk in on a rape or murder and kill the sick fuck on the spur of the moment.

That's no excuse for committing a crime either.

[Seleucas]

The person who was raped should have the right to make some act of physical violence on the rapist; for instance, a very severe beating, or castration or other maiming. However, there should also be the opportunity for such a punishment to instead be converted to the rapist being forced to make some restitution through forced labor at a rate set by custom.

[Quelesh]

Nah it really is. Rape is worse than murder.

I don't understand this point of view at all. Murder completely and permanently disables the functioning of both the body and the mind. Rape can cause damage to the functioning of the mind, but does not disable it completely, and generally has little effect on the functioning of the body. Murder clearly has a much greater negative effect.

I'm not saying that "rape isn't that bad" here. Rape is an appalling violation of a person's bodily sovereignty. But "worse than murder"? Nonsense.

If I had to choose between being raped and being murdered, I would choose being raped in a heartbeat.

[Conservative Alliances]

Nah it really is. Rape is worse than murder.

I don't understand this point of view at all. Murder completely and permanently disables the functioning of both the body and the mind. Rape can cause damage to the functioning of the mind, but does not disable it completely, and generally has little effect on the functioning of the body. Murder clearly has a much greater negative effect.

I'm not saying that "rape isn't that bad" here. Rape is an appalling violation of a person's bodily sovereignty. But "worse than murder"? Nonsense.

If I had to choose between being raped and being murdered, I would choose being raped in a heartbeat.

It's completely subjective. Someone may never recover from the mental and physical trauma and commit suicide as a result of being raped. In this case, it is torture and death compared to death.

[Quelesh]

I don't understand this point of view at all. Murder completely and permanently disables the functioning of both the body and the mind. Rape can cause damage to the functioning of the mind, but does not disable it completely, and generally has little effect on the functioning of the body. Murder clearly has a much greater negative effect.

I'm not saying that "rape isn't that bad" here. Rape is an appalling violation of a person's bodily sovereignty. But "worse than murder"? Nonsense.

If I had to choose between being raped and being murdered, I would choose being raped in a heartbeat.

It's completely subjective. Someone may never recover from the mental and physical trauma and commit suicide as a result of being raped. In this case, it is torture and death compared to death.

Sure, someone "may" never recover and commit suicide, but that could also happen with someone who was beaten and robbed but not raped, or someone whose life savings was stolen, or even a victim of libel, which is cause for civil action but not even a criminal offense. None of those are "worse than murder."

[Geniasis]

Sure, someone "may" never recover and commit suicide, but that could also happen with someone who was beaten and robbed but not raped, or someone whose life savings was stolen, or even a victim of libel, which is cause for civil action but not even a criminal offense. None of those are "worse than murder."

So maybe, just maybe, some rapes are worse than some murders, and some murders are worse than some rapes?

[Dempublicents1]

Nah it really is. Rape is worse than murder.

I don't understand this point of view at all. Murder completely and permanently disables the functioning of both the body and the mind. Rape can cause damage to the functioning of the mind, but does not disable it completely, and generally has little effect on the functioning of the body. Murder clearly has a much greater negative effect.

I think the idea is often that rape causes lasting and ongoing harm, while murder is immediate. Once someone is dead, the murderer cannot continue to harm them. They will not continue to suffer.

[Person012345]

I don't understand this point of view at all. Murder completely and permanently disables the functioning of both the body and the mind. Rape can cause damage to the functioning of the mind, but does not disable it completely, and generally has little effect on the functioning of the body. Murder clearly has a much greater negative effect.

I think the idea is often that rape causes lasting and ongoing harm, while murder is immediate. Once someone is dead, the murderer cannot continue to harm them. They will not continue to suffer.

Additionally, we all die someday anyway. Murder is merely a hastening of this, whilst rape often screws someone up mentally and causes them to suffer for a long time, something that is in no way inevitible.

I'm not commenting on "which is worse" or saying that either is not bad, I'm just sayin'.

[Albaron]

Also, murder means the cessation of life, and hence, of any chance to experience anything ever again.
Whereas rape usually means the person can live (and if they don't, then it also means murder), and there is always the opportunity to recover. And most do.

[Conservative Alliances]

It's completely subjective. Someone may never recover from the mental and physical trauma and commit suicide as a result of being raped. In this case, it is torture and death compared to death.

Sure, someone "may" never recover and commit suicide, but that could also happen with someone who was beaten and robbed but not raped, or someone whose life savings was stolen, or even a victim of libel, which is cause for civil action but not even a criminal offense. None of those are "worse than murder."

That depends completely on your point of view. You cannot really objectively say any of them are worse than any of the others.

[Lauchlin]

Sure, someone "may" never recover and commit suicide, but that could also happen with someone who was beaten and robbed but not raped, or someone whose life savings was stolen, or even a victim of libel, which is cause for civil action but not even a criminal offense. None of those are "worse than murder."

That depends completely on your point of view. You cannot really objectively say any of them are worse than any of the others.

So all crimes should have the same punishment?

[Repac]

Minimum ten years. Maximum Death by firing squad.

[Galt Worshippers]

Rape - is violation of the lowest degree. It is never justifiable. It is a premediated act on par with murder 1.

A rapist knows what they are doing is wrong.

They are giving into thoughts and then try to shirk blame by saying they are sick. Drunkeness should not be counted as an excuse - they still have the ability to control thoughts and actions. They choose not to. The act starts in the mind - in the wilful decision of the criminal to take something by force.

Therefore, castration (removing the penis/labia) would only treat the symptoms of the crime, not the origin.

How do you change what's going on in someone's head?

[Bottle]

Rape - is violation of the lowest degree. It is never justifiable. It is a premediated act on par with murder 1.

A rapist knows what they are doing is wrong.

They are giving into thoughts and then try to shirk blame by saying they are sick. Drunkeness should not be counted as an excuse - they still have the ability to control thoughts and actions. They choose not to. The act starts in the mind - in the wilful decision of the criminal to take something by force.

Therefore, castration (removing the penis/labia) would only treat the symptoms of the crime, not the origin.

How do you change what's going on in someone's head?

Frontal lobotomy would definitely change it.

[Geniasis]

Frontal lobotomy would definitely change it.

Oh come on. We've only just gotten people disgusted with lobotomy and now you've gone and made it cool again. 50 years right down the drain.

*grumbles*

[Bottle]

Frontal lobotomy would definitely change it.

Oh come on. We've only just gotten people disgusted with lobotomy and now you've gone and made it cool again. 50 years right down the drain.

*grumbles*

Hey, it's not my fault. All the steampunk stuff has really been catching on, so it's only natural for the kids to be into ice pick lobotomies and bleeding people with steam-powered leeches.

[Geniasis]

Hey, it's not my fault. All the steampunk stuff has really been catching on, so it's only natural for the kids to be into ice pick lobotomies and bleeding people with steam-powered leeches.

GODDAMMIT

...

Now I want a steam-powered leech.

[Conservative Alliances]

That depends completely on your point of view. You cannot really objectively say any of them are worse than any of the others.

So all crimes should have the same punishment?

Nope, with a centralized law system, the general views of the people should be reflected with wiggle room on either side for sentencing. You can't really say one is objectively worse than the other, though. Circumstances and personal (or societal) opinion will always decide issues such as these, and that is subjective.