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I think there needs to be discretion in sentencing, based upon all the circumstances.

Statutory rape, consensual, should not be harshly punished, especially when the kids are close in age. In fact, I don't think it should be prosecuted.

Violent assault (rape is a crime of anger and assault, not lust) should get twenty years.

Sometimes there are grey areas in between, such as when both parties are drunk and consent may not be possible.

Science-Oriented Scots wrote:ALL psychology falls back on introspection?

If you're just observing and cataloging behavior without intuiting anything about it, that wouldn't rely on introspection. But the moment you try to bring in what a person is thinking or feeling, you have introduced introspection into the process.

If you seriously believe this, again, I suggest you do some reading on modern psychology. Because a lot of the experiments done recently are a bit more clever than that.

There are a lot of very clever experiments out there to measure a lot of what goes on in neural circuitry. Scientists who study these things in humans do everything they can to remove experimenter bias and that's a good thing. But, when measuring something like thoughts or emotions - which are inherently internal, we simply cannot remove introspection from the process. Somewhere along the line (whether in a current experiment or in the previous data used to build it), we end up relying on it, because it is the only direct measure of the topic under study.

Note that I'm not saying this is a bad thing. It is a limitation of the subject under study, not a flaw in the study design

Meanwhile, all the insinuations that I need to read up on this are cute, given the fact that this actually is a subject I read up on quite a bit. It's not exactly my field, but it is (a) related to my area of research and (b) extraordinarily fascinating.

Meanwhile: I've just realized what thread this is actually in and this is most definitely a thread hijack. It's a very interesting topic, but I'm not going to continue it here.

I still think Exile to the "Island of Sexual Predators" is worth formal review.

Dempublicents1 wrote:Note that I'm not saying this is a bad thing. It is a limitation of the subject under study, not a flaw in the study design.

I really think you're not giving Psychology the credit it's due. It's a science and follows the scientific method. I really don't know what else to say. You can't cherry pick here. In modern psychological experiments, it's apparent that the results are often very specifically stated and qualified, all appropriately. My problem isn't you are unnecessarily applying a harsher level of criticism on the perception of certain scientists.

I think somewhere between 25-Life sounds about right, depending on certain factors.

Arilando wrote:What do you think would be the best most and fair just punishment for rape?

Caning (minimum penalty is 15 strikes, maximum is 40 strikes), castration, imprisonment (minimum 20 years, maximum life), or death penalty, depending on the circumstances.

Korintar wrote:

Arilando wrote:What do you think would be the best most and fair just punishment for rape?

Caning (minimum penalty is 15 strikes, maximum is 40 strikes), castration, imprisonment (minimum 20 years, maximum life), or death penalty, depending on the circumstances.

Would you say the same if it was a woman that raped a man?

Pope Joan wrote:Statutory rape, consensual, should not be harshly punished, especially when the kids are close in age. In fact, I don't think it should be prosecuted.

So it is your opinion that any "consent" given by a child is, in fact, actually informed consent?

Sometimes there are grey areas in between, such as when both parties are drunk and consent may not be possible.

You make it clear here that there are circumstances in which consent is not possible, so would I be correct in coming to the conclusion that you do not think children have a diminished ability to give consent?

Zephie wrote:

Korintar wrote:
Caning (minimum penalty is 15 strikes, maximum is 40 strikes), castration, imprisonment (minimum 20 years, maximum life), or death penalty, depending on the circumstances.

Would you say the same if it was a woman that raped a man?

Well, I imagine they wouldn't have included castration.

Zephie wrote:

Korintar wrote:
Caning (minimum penalty is 15 strikes, maximum is 40 strikes), castration, imprisonment (minimum 20 years, maximum life), or death penalty, depending on the circumstances.

Would you say the same if it was a woman that raped a man?

Again, it depends on the circumstances- if it was simply that she took advantage of him being intoxicated, with no additional harm beyond the psychological effects on the man who was raped (physical injury includes the male contracting STDs, or the woman becoming pregnant with her victim being the father), and it was a first time offense- 15 strikes and twenty years in prison.

Dempublicents1 wrote:

Pope Joan wrote:Statutory rape, consensual, should not be harshly punished, especially when the kids are close in age. In fact, I don't think it should be prosecuted.

So it is your opinion that any "consent" given by a child is, in fact, actually informed consent?

Sometimes there are grey areas in between, such as when both parties are drunk and consent may not be possible.

You make it clear here that there are circumstances in which consent is not possible, so would I be correct in coming to the conclusion that you do not think children have a diminished ability to give consent?

Careful, Concordiea loves this conversation, and will in fact argue against the need for informed consent entirely (while insisting they can give a simple consent which is enough)

If we are talking about teenagers here...yeah actually I think they are capable of informed consent, you don't dress like that, unless your advertising baby

It's called jailbait for a reason.

Arilando wrote:What do you think would be the best most and fair just punishment for rape?

Being raped by the person you raped.

Prison-rape of the accused if found guilty?
Hell, institutionalize the "bitch" system in prison. Murderers, Rapists, and molesters are the drug-runners and carjackers bitches.
(joking...kind've)

Nadkor wrote:

Zephie wrote:Would you say the same if it was a woman that raped a man?

Well, I imagine they wouldn't have included castration.

In said case, we simply rip out her ovaries our bare fists. Or bear fists, depending on how your interpret the second amendment.

Castration. Without anaesthesia. Or death penalty.

As a radical individual, i say castration.

Sarzonia wrote:Castration. Without anaesthesia. Or death penalty.

That too.

I think that rapists should be sent to a prison built in a place like antarctica so that there is next to no chance of escaping. A big wide open facility with no rooms or any shred of privacy. Let the rapists punish each other, repeatedly...

Rape for a Rape I say! You can call me harsh but you can't say I am not fair.

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Prison-rape of the accused if found guilty?
Hell, institutionalize the "bitch" system in prison. Murderers, Rapists, and molesters are the drug-runners and carjackers bitches.
(joking...kind've)

Having a brother who has done time, I can tell you, that Murderers are actually at the top of the list, followed by crimeboss's, Gang leaders and Drug Dealers and even most rapists. Your second teir/first bitches are Car thieves, Drug Runners/Mules, followed by Trannies, drug addicts/Pot users and snitches. and at the very bottom, are former and current corrupt cops, and Child molesters.

And rape is practically guaranteed to happen to the majority of inmates, regardless of their crime.

Dypsomaniacs wrote:I think that rapists should be sent to a prison built in a place like antarctica so that there is next to no chance of escaping. A big wide open facility with no rooms or any shred of privacy. Let the rapists punish each other, repeatedly...

Again, Island
No escape.

Vecherd wrote:

Verax wrote:Count one more vote for the rapist getting raped.

wouldn`t that just end in every single person in the world getting raped?.

I laughed far harder at this than I should have...
Anyway, it's my belief that the primary function of the justice system should be to prevent the recurrence of the crime, and since I don't support the death penalty this would most likely entail a lengthy prison sentence or some other form of deterrent and rehabilitation.

For violent (not statutory Rape) I say execution should be an option. Life without parole should be enforced in all other cases.

Some crimes are so evil that there can be no rehabilitation.

Mosasauria wrote:

Arilando wrote:What do you think would be the best most and fair just punishment for rape?

Being raped by the person you raped.

Fuck no. Why would you put the victim through such a thing?

Innsmothe wrote:

Bottle wrote:In a perfect system, execution. But I don't trust my government (or any other government I know of) with the death penalty, so an acceptable alternative would be life in prison with no possibility of parole, mandatory 14 hours of work per day with all wages going directly to organizations which help provide health care and counseling for rape survivors.

That is not civilised either.

If anything a just punishment would push for the repentance and eventual release of a criminal.

This.

Kinda saddens me how vindictive the front page of this thread is. I'm not even sure I want to read the other pages...