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by Quelesh » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:39 pm
by McGoveyland » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:46 pm
by Sibirsky » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:12 pm
by Conserative Morality » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:14 pm
by Free Lelouche » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:28 pm
Sibirsky wrote:This is what I consider fair.
The victim must be made whole. That means it is up to the victim to decide what the punishment should be. Within reason. If she asks for the death penalty, then the rapist becomes a victim in a murder. So, a cap of say 20-25 years. It's entirely up to the victim. Alternatively, she may ask for monetary compensation. In a case like this (I'm talking about forcible sex here, not something that is considered rape, but is less gruesome of a crime, like statutory rape in a case of consensual intercourse between an 18 year old guy and 16 year old girl) a reasonable amount would be tens of thousands of dollars, if not more. Payable by the rapist of course.
The taxpayers must be made whole. The rapist is responsible for any costs accrued by the police in the investigation (as well as any hospital costs accrued in examining the victim), the prosecution's costs of bringing the matter to trial, court costs and incarceration costs if the victim chooses jail time.
by Conservative Alliances » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:53 pm
Sibirsky wrote:This is what I consider fair.
The victim must be made whole. That means it is up to the victim to decide what the punishment should be. Within reason. If she asks for the death penalty, then the rapist becomes a victim in a murder. So, a cap of say 20-25 years. It's entirely up to the victim. Alternatively, she may ask for monetary compensation. In a case like this (I'm talking about forcible sex here, not something that is considered rape, but is less gruesome of a crime, like statutory rape in a case of consensual intercourse between an 18 year old guy and 16 year old girl) a reasonable amount would be tens of thousands of dollars, if not more. Payable by the rapist of course.
The taxpayers must be made whole. The rapist is responsible for any costs accrued by the police in the investigation (as well as any hospital costs accrued in examining the victim), the prosecution's costs of bringing the matter to trial, court costs and incarceration costs if the victim chooses jail time.
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by WWII History Geeks » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:56 pm
by Herskerstad » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:59 pm
by Free Lelouche » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:59 pm
WWII History Geeks wrote:. But if it's an ohmigawd I can't believe I slept with him while I was drunk so now it's rape kind of thing, then maybe only 3 or 5 years.
by Free Lelouche » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:05 pm
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by JJ Place » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:05 pm
by Motuka » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:08 pm
JJ Place wrote:The only fair punishment for rape is life in prison without the possibility of parole. Rape is the greatest crime any individual is cappable of committing, and does far more damage to an individual, as well as to society, than any other single crime any individual or any collection of individuals can commit;
by Free Lelouche » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:08 pm
JJ Place wrote:The only fair punishment for rape is life in prison without the possibility of parole. Rape is the greatest crime any individual is cappable of committing, and does far more damage to an individual, as well as to society, than any other single crime any individual or any collection of individuals can commit; anything else would only take society back into a more barbarous time period of history.
by The Batorys » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:11 pm
Free Lelouche wrote:JJ Place wrote:The only fair punishment for rape is life in prison without the possibility of parole. Rape is the greatest crime any individual is cappable of committing, and does far more damage to an individual, as well as to society, than any other single crime any individual or any collection of individuals can commit; anything else would only take society back into a more barbarous time period of history.
That's nonsense, Murder is worse, much much worse.
Rape Victims live, I've known a few, some are damaged goods, others recover just fine, but none of the damage is near as permanent as the ending of life.
by Jarvisleidia » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:12 pm
by JJ Place » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:12 pm
Motuka wrote:JJ Place wrote:The only fair punishment for rape is life in prison without the possibility of parole. Rape is the greatest crime any individual is cappable of committing, and does far more damage to an individual, as well as to society, than any other single crime any individual or any collection of individuals can commit;
I dunno, I've never looked too kindly on the genocidal either.
by Free Lelouche » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:14 pm
by Hydesland » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:15 pm
JJ Place wrote:Note I said single action, single crime; genocide is far more than one single action , and one single crime.
by Sibirsky » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:18 pm
Hydesland wrote:JJ Place wrote:Note I said single action, single crime; genocide is far more than one single action , and one single crime.
This doesn't sound reasonable. I'm not saying rape isn't a horrible crime, but we have to be objective here, and in all seriousness, there are a number of things I would prefer rape over. For instance: I would rather be raped than killed, I would rather be raped than tortured for a long duration, I would rather be raped than have someone intentionally injure me so as to paralyse me for life or otherwise stop me from doing something I find essential to happiness (e.g. cutting off my hands, stabbing me in the eyes etc..)
by Conservative Alliances » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:43 pm
Sibirsky wrote:Hydesland wrote:
This doesn't sound reasonable. I'm not saying rape isn't a horrible crime, but we have to be objective here, and in all seriousness, there are a number of things I would prefer rape over. For instance: I would rather be raped than killed, I would rather be raped than tortured for a long duration, I would rather be raped than have someone intentionally injure me so as to paralyse me for life or otherwise stop me from doing something I find essential to happiness (e.g. cutting off my hands, stabbing me in the eyes etc..)
I can't believe that in a JJ Place vs. Hydesland debate, I am siding with Hydesland. No offense Hydesland.
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by The Congregationists » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:47 pm
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