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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:12 pm

This is what I consider fair.

The victim must be made whole. That means it is up to the victim to decide what the punishment should be. Within reason. If she asks for the death penalty, then the rapist becomes a victim in a murder. So, a cap of say 20-25 years. It's entirely up to the victim. Alternatively, she may ask for monetary compensation. In a case like this (I'm talking about forcible sex here, not something that is considered rape, but is less gruesome of a crime, like statutory rape in a case of consensual intercourse between an 18 year old guy and 16 year old girl) a reasonable amount would be tens of thousands of dollars, if not more. Payable by the rapist of course.

The taxpayers must be made whole. The rapist is responsible for any costs accrued by the police in the investigation (as well as any hospital costs accrued in examining the victim), the prosecution's costs of bringing the matter to trial, court costs and incarceration costs if the victim chooses jail time.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:14 pm

Prison or a mental hospital.
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Postby Free Lelouche » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:28 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
This is what I consider fair.

The victim must be made whole. That means it is up to the victim to decide what the punishment should be. Within reason. If she asks for the death penalty, then the rapist becomes a victim in a murder. So, a cap of say 20-25 years. It's entirely up to the victim. Alternatively, she may ask for monetary compensation. In a case like this (I'm talking about forcible sex here, not something that is considered rape, but is less gruesome of a crime, like statutory rape in a case of consensual intercourse between an 18 year old guy and 16 year old girl) a reasonable amount would be tens of thousands of dollars, if not more. Payable by the rapist of course.

The taxpayers must be made whole. The rapist is responsible for any costs accrued by the police in the investigation (as well as any hospital costs accrued in examining the victim), the prosecution's costs of bringing the matter to trial, court costs and incarceration costs if the victim chooses jail time.


This sounds fair, although I'm not a fan of victims determining sentences (because they can't be objective or unbiased by definition)

Other solutions include, Exile for heinous offenses, to the Island of Sexual Predators, and for the lesser sex crimes, rehab.

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Postby Conservative Alliances » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:53 pm

Sibirsky wrote:This is what I consider fair.

The victim must be made whole. That means it is up to the victim to decide what the punishment should be. Within reason. If she asks for the death penalty, then the rapist becomes a victim in a murder. So, a cap of say 20-25 years. It's entirely up to the victim. Alternatively, she may ask for monetary compensation. In a case like this (I'm talking about forcible sex here, not something that is considered rape, but is less gruesome of a crime, like statutory rape in a case of consensual intercourse between an 18 year old guy and 16 year old girl) a reasonable amount would be tens of thousands of dollars, if not more. Payable by the rapist of course.

The taxpayers must be made whole. The rapist is responsible for any costs accrued by the police in the investigation (as well as any hospital costs accrued in examining the victim), the prosecution's costs of bringing the matter to trial, court costs and incarceration costs if the victim chooses jail time.

I like this system. It is fair and allows the victim to get justice as they see fit, not the government. The only thing I would change is removing the upper limit on punishment. I have nothing against disproportionate retribution, and I believe that someone committing a crime (especially one this serious) has essentially relinquished any privileges they had before they committed the crime. This is only my ideal system, I am well aware of its vulnerability to abuse. So, for the sake of practicality, I suppose your system would be the best to implement. Certainly, its strong point is its focus on the individual. This is all assuming they have been deemed guilty by fair trial, of course.
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Postby WWII History Geeks » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:56 pm

Depends on how you define rape. If it's 10 year old beaten and bruised might-not-live then execution. But if it's an ohmigawd I can't believe I slept with him while I was drunk so now it's rape kind of thing, then maybe only 3 or 5 years.
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:59 pm

If proven beyond a reasonable doubt 15+ stretch. If extremely violent a castration should be mandatory. If done on a minor then the death penalty would be appropriate.
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Postby Free Lelouche » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:59 pm

WWII History Geeks wrote:. But if it's an ohmigawd I can't believe I slept with him while I was drunk so now it's rape kind of thing, then maybe only 3 or 5 years.


I just call that buyer's remorse unless your were purposely drugged for the purpose of sex, not a matter for the courts if you ask me

That's just a life lesson waiting to happen.

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Postby Kari-Kazzir » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:00 pm

Rape?

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:04 pm

Arilando wrote:What do you think would be the best most and fair just punishment for rape?

prison with the length dependant on the circumstances.
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Postby JJ Place » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:05 pm

The only fair punishment for rape is life in prison without the possibility of parole. Rape is the greatest crime any individual is cappable of committing, and does far more damage to an individual, as well as to society, than any other single crime any individual or any collection of individuals can commit; anything else would only take society back into a more barbarous time period of history.
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Postby Motuka » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:08 pm

JJ Place wrote:The only fair punishment for rape is life in prison without the possibility of parole. Rape is the greatest crime any individual is cappable of committing, and does far more damage to an individual, as well as to society, than any other single crime any individual or any collection of individuals can commit;

I dunno, I've never looked too kindly on the genocidal either.
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Postby Free Lelouche » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:08 pm

JJ Place wrote:The only fair punishment for rape is life in prison without the possibility of parole. Rape is the greatest crime any individual is cappable of committing, and does far more damage to an individual, as well as to society, than any other single crime any individual or any collection of individuals can commit; anything else would only take society back into a more barbarous time period of history.


That's nonsense, Murder is worse, much much worse.
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Free Lelouche wrote:
JJ Place wrote:The only fair punishment for rape is life in prison without the possibility of parole. Rape is the greatest crime any individual is cappable of committing, and does far more damage to an individual, as well as to society, than any other single crime any individual or any collection of individuals can commit; anything else would only take society back into a more barbarous time period of history.


That's nonsense, Murder is worse, much much worse.
Rape Victims live, I've known a few, some are damaged goods, others recover just fine, but none of the damage is near as permanent as the ending of life.

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Postby Jarvisleidia » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:12 pm

Honestly prison is not going to fix or help these people there's psychology behind why they would do something like that. Rehabilitation center should definately be involved so that they never do this again.

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Motuka wrote:
JJ Place wrote:The only fair punishment for rape is life in prison without the possibility of parole. Rape is the greatest crime any individual is cappable of committing, and does far more damage to an individual, as well as to society, than any other single crime any individual or any collection of individuals can commit;

I dunno, I've never looked too kindly on the genocidal either.



Note I said single action, single crime; genocide is far more than one single action , and one single crime.
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The Batorys wrote:
Free Lelouche wrote:
That's nonsense, Murder is worse, much much worse.
Rape Victims live, I've known a few, some are damaged goods, others recover just fine, but none of the damage is near as permanent as the ending of life.

People aren't "goods."


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Postby Hydesland » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:15 pm

JJ Place wrote:Note I said single action, single crime; genocide is far more than one single action , and one single crime.


This doesn't sound reasonable. I'm not saying rape isn't a horrible crime, but we have to be objective here, and in all seriousness, there are a number of things I would prefer rape over. For instance: I would rather be raped than killed, I would rather be raped than tortured for a long duration, I would rather be raped than have someone intentionally injure me so as to paralyse me for life or otherwise stop me from doing something I find essential to happiness (e.g. cutting off my hands, stabbing me in the eyes etc..)

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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:18 pm

Hydesland wrote:
JJ Place wrote:Note I said single action, single crime; genocide is far more than one single action , and one single crime.


This doesn't sound reasonable. I'm not saying rape isn't a horrible crime, but we have to be objective here, and in all seriousness, there are a number of things I would prefer rape over. For instance: I would rather be raped than killed, I would rather be raped than tortured for a long duration, I would rather be raped than have someone intentionally injure me so as to paralyse me for life or otherwise stop me from doing something I find essential to happiness (e.g. cutting off my hands, stabbing me in the eyes etc..)

I can't believe that in a JJ Place vs. Hydesland debate, I am siding with Hydesland. No offense Hydesland.
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Sibirsky wrote:
Hydesland wrote:
This doesn't sound reasonable. I'm not saying rape isn't a horrible crime, but we have to be objective here, and in all seriousness, there are a number of things I would prefer rape over. For instance: I would rather be raped than killed, I would rather be raped than tortured for a long duration, I would rather be raped than have someone intentionally injure me so as to paralyse me for life or otherwise stop me from doing something I find essential to happiness (e.g. cutting off my hands, stabbing me in the eyes etc..)

I can't believe that in a JJ Place vs. Hydesland debate, I am siding with Hydesland. No offense Hydesland.

I think it depends completely on the person. I imagine that some people would be able to move past being raped and go on with their lives. Others, would be tortured for the rest of their lives and driven to suicide. I imagine some would prefer death to mental torture and anguish. I don't think is as much a question of which crime is worse overall, but which crime is worse for the individual in question. That said, I would probably prefer rape to death. I can't say for sure though.
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Postby The Congregationists » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:47 pm

Penal servitude for 10-15 years - minimum 12 hours a day on a fast assembly line. All wages not required for sustenance garnished and given to the victim. Following release, indentured servitude with a 35% gross wage garnish, again going to the victim, for life. Re-offence following release then penal servitude is for life. If and when the victim passes away, garnish goes to the victim's family or next of kin.

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Postby Jostedule » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:57 pm

Rape is one of the most discusting crimes in history. The death penalty is a fine solution.

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Postby Aldvek » Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:59 pm

For First-Time Offenders:
A 5-10 year prison sentence including mandatory rehabilitation during incarceration.
Then, a set of restrictions will be placed to ensure there is minimal risk of repeat offense
(i.e. The felon is unable to participate in youth-focused programs or events and may not
associate with minors without the victim's written consent or--if the victim is a minor--the
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A minimum sentence of 25 years in prison with a maximum sentence of death by lethal
injection, which is to be decided by the victim. There will be no chance of parole for the
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