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Which Obama Issue is Most Concerning to You?

The Economy (any aspect).
36
46%
Healthcare
17
22%
Cap and Trade
7
9%
Foreign Policy
11
14%
Other.
8
10%
 
Total votes : 79

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Obama's Cool is Starting to Melt.

Postby Rhodmhire » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:17 pm

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200907 ... tico/25114

Finally, we’re starting to see him sweat.

President Barack Obama made his personal icy cool the trademark of his campaign, the tenor of his White House and the hallmark of an early run of successes at home and abroad. But as the glamour wears off and a long, frustrating summer wears on, he is being forced to improvise — stooping to respond to political foes and adjusting his tactics and demeanor for the trench warfare of a legislative agenda.

The root of the change is one that faces every president: Economic and international realities that resist political charm. Iran and North Korea have shown no interest in the president’s outstretched hand. The economy has delivered a double-whammy, with rising unemployment stirring voters’ concerns while sluggish growth deprives the government of tax revenues Obama would like to spend on new programs.
Health care reform, which once appeared flush with momentum from earlier congressional victories, is now on a slog through no less than five committees, which include Democrats who either aren’t sold on Obama’s expansive vision or can’t figure out how to convince voters to pay for it.

“This is when it gets harder,” the president told supporters June 30.

And so it has.

In turn, Obama has adjusted, deviating from the playbook on every front.

The cool president has turned hot on the stump, stripping to shirtsleeves to lambaste doubters in New Jersey Thursday. He departed from his prepared remarks last week to accept a Republican challenge to take personal ownership of the economy: “That’s fine. Give it to me,” he said.

Even Obama's scripted speeches are deliberately more forceful, aggressive and direct in taking on critics, aides say. Friday remarks at the White House had a trash-talk edge – count me out and you’ll be sorry.

Obama’s political operation has dispensed with its post-inauguration cocktails for Republicans – or more often, ignoring them outright — in favor of the old politics of engage, attack and cajole. Obama’s even engaging in a little Democrat-on-Democrat politics, as his ex-campaign arm is beaming TV ads into the home states of moderate fence-sitters on health care.

The tightly programmed White House also is champing at the bit, kicking off what officials say will be a relentless three-week push on health care, starting with the hastily scheduled Friday address. But its first event might have backfired a bit. Its main consequence was proving that the magnetism of Obama’s personal appearances has worn off, as it drew little media attention and a dismissive tweet from the key Senate Republican, Chuck Grassley of Iowa: “Waste of time.”

The sum has been a new sense of uncertainty and strain, and a growing murmur among Democrats in Washington nervous about the White House’s tactics, and a rising tide of concern in the states as local Democratic parties eye midterm elections that are traditionally a challenge for a new president.
“That honeymoon period is over, “ said Chris Redfern, the chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party. “Now they’re having to push back, and push back hard.”

White House officials and allies brush off any notion that this new sense of unease is meaningful. The only true test, they say, will be results. Obama still might win major health care reform legislation this year that could be the most important new government program in decades. He has a fighting chance to pass regulations on greenhouse gases, in the form of a “cap and trade” mechanism, through the Senate. And Obama continues to press hard, if with no clear progress, for a breakthrough in the Middle East.

“It’s the third quarter, he’s down by a point, and he’s got his best player on the bench – what really is going to be important is the fall,” said James Carville, the veteran Democratic observer.

“If he gets what’s perceived to be some kind of a major health care thing, gets the climate bill through, if the economy recovers, then we’ll all say he had a hell of a summer. Conversely, if the thing falls apart, we’ll say that by July the 19th we could tell the thing was going bad.”

White House Deputy Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer dismissed the suggestion that Obama should be expected to succeed effortlessly – or that he’s on a path toward failure on any of these varied fronts.

“Obama and his team have been down this road dozens of times and been declared dead many times and always succeeded,” he said. “No one gets rich betting against Barack Obama.”


It happens to pretty much every President, Obama is no different. Things heat up after a while, especially in bad economic times like these.

So what do you think about this? Do you think it's a little soon? Do you think it'll heat up more in the fall? Is this a dreadful time in Obama's term, or one you've been waiting for for months?
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Re: Obama's Cool is Starting to Melt.

Postby SaintB » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:33 pm

Well this, much like Goerge Junior's, is one of the most difficult Presidencies in recent memories; things are unstable (a little more so than unusual) and there is a litteral sense of some kind of count down to who knows what. The stress and evnvireonment are very similar to the kind faced by President Lincoln or Franklin Roosevelt. Sometimes when things get tough you have to rapidly change tactics.
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Re: Obama's Cool is Starting to Melt.

Postby The Romulan Republic » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:36 pm

In answer to the poll: other. Namely, an apparent lack of a full repudiation of Bush's illegal imprisonments and general abuses of power, as well as the failiure to properly try and convict or else free all the suspects being held at Guantanamo and any other US prisons (though I give Obama credit for at least trying with Guantanamo, and feel that Congress was collectively composed of obstructionist jackasses on this issue who seem unfamiliar with the concepts of "fair trials" and "innocent until proven guilty").

I'm concerned that the very fact Bush and his cronies are not on trial might make Obama an accessory after the fact to War Crimes and Obstruction of Justice, as well.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:39 pm

Had I been President, the attack weasels would have been loosed long ago. :p
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Postby Sibirsky » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:40 pm

You guys know I don't like the guy. However I feel bad for him. The guy, almost undoubtedly, has the hardest job in the world. At least the country. With all of the pressure he faces he must feel like this...

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:40 pm

*sigh* We should ressurect Calvin Coolidge. :p
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Postby Rhodmhire » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:46 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:*sigh* We should ressurect Calvin Coolidge. :p


I'm on it.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:49 pm

Rhodmhire wrote:I'm on it.

If his vocal chords are a little damaged, don't worry. He doesn't use them anyway. ;)
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Postby Rhodmhire » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:49 pm

Sibirsky wrote:You guys know I don't like the guy. However I feel bad for him. The guy, almost undoubtedly, has the hardest job in the world. At least the country. With all of the pressure he faces he must feel like this...

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I felt the same way about Bush, and Obama.

I don't like either of them, but I can't imagine the stress and hard times they have to do, especially in times like these, for both Bush and Obama.

No matter what the party, the ideas, or the outcome of one's Presidency, I'll always respect those who put up with the stress that comes with the job, a stress I can't imaging bearing day in and day out for four to eight years.
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Postby Rhodmhire » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:50 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Rhodmhire wrote:I'm on it.

If his vocal chords are a little damaged, don't worry. He doesn't use them anyway. ;)


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Postby Sibirsky » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:52 pm

Oh yeah. I would never run for office. The job has no appeal to me whatsoever. At most, and only in exceptional circumstances, I, perhaps, would work for a campaign.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:53 pm

Bush's first... 8 months were much, much easier than Obama's.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:55 pm

Sibirsky wrote:Bush's first... 8 months were much, much easier than Obama's.

But the rest of his first term was pretty rough.
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Re: Obama's Cool is Starting to Melt.

Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:56 pm

Sibirsky wrote:Oh yeah. I would never run for office. The job has no appeal to me whatsoever. At most, and only in exceptional circumstances, I, perhaps, would work for a campaign.


I would go for it, if nothing else than for the spiffy Chevy Suburban:

http://www.videosurf.com/video/the-chevy-suburban-that-follows-obama%27s-cadillac-limo-58299100
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Postby Sibirsky » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:00 pm

SaintB wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Bush's first... 8 months were much, much easier than Obama's.

But the rest of his first term was pretty rough.


No doubt. Merely saying this far in, Bush had an easier time.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:05 pm

Galloism wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Oh yeah. I would never run for office. The job has no appeal to me whatsoever. At most, and only in exceptional circumstances, I, perhaps, would work for a campaign.


I would go for it, if nothing else than for the spiffy Chevy Suburban:

http://www.videosurf.com/video/the-chevy-suburban-that-follows-obama%27s-cadillac-limo-58299100


Not bad. But I would prefer something like this

http://www.beckerautodesign.com/limo.html
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Re: Obama's Cool is Starting to Melt.

Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:07 pm

Sibirsky wrote:Not bad. But I would prefer something like this

http://www.beckerautodesign.com/limo.html


...

I'm not seeing the minigun.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:10 pm

Well he is holding up better then Bush. Bush almost immediately took a vacation once he got into the white house.
Bush seems like he went into the presidency thinking it was some sort of frat party with the leaders of the world.
Then proceeded to be hung over and run down until 9/11 happened. when he got sober for a month.
Then went back to acting like afrat boy out to avenge his honor.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:11 pm

Galloism wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Not bad. But I would prefer something like this

http://www.beckerautodesign.com/limo.html


...

I'm not seeing the minigun.

:rofl: To each his own, I guess.
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Postby Rhodmhire » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:11 pm

SaintB wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:But the rest of his first term was pretty rough.


No doubt. Merely saying this far in, Bush had an easier time.


I agree to that.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:13 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Galloism wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Not bad. But I would prefer something like this

http://www.beckerautodesign.com/limo.html


...

I'm not seeing the minigun.

:rofl: To each his own, I guess.


Last time I was out in the country, I got attacked by the entire mongol horde. I need my minigun.
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Postby Wilgrove » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:33 pm

Galloism wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Not bad. But I would prefer something like this

http://www.beckerautodesign.com/limo.html


...

I'm not seeing the minigun.


The gun in the SUV is actually a gatling gun...

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Postby Wilgrove » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:35 pm

While I don't like Obama's domestic policies, I do feel bad for him. He inherit a crappy situation from Bush, and it doesn't help that people want things to be fixed NOW. Not tomorrow, not the next day, not next week...NOW.

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Postby New Central Europe » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:43 pm

Rhodmhire wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:You guys know I don't like the guy. However I feel bad for him. The guy, almost undoubtedly, has the hardest job in the world. At least the country. With all of the pressure he faces he must feel like this...

Image


I felt the same way about Bush, and Obama.

I don't like either of them, but I can't imagine the stress and hard times they have to do, especially in times like these, for both Bush and Obama.

George Bush jr. doesn't have stress. He listins to the "Christian" Fundementalists. :p

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Re: Obama's Cool is Starting to Melt.

Postby Galloism » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:44 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
Galloism wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Not bad. But I would prefer something like this

http://www.beckerautodesign.com/limo.html


...

I'm not seeing the minigun.


The gun in the SUV is actually a gatling gun...


I'm sleepy and irritable. Go away.
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