What do you think of the college Greek system? Roll Call!

[Greed and Death]

It's still a joke about rape... those ones are hard to get funny.

Everyone in the frat house thought it was hilarious until the police showed up.

Which says more about the frat house members than it does the "joke."

yes obviously we are bad evil people of course.

[The Cat-Tribe]

Which says more about the frat house members than it does the "joke."

yes obviously we are bad evil people of course.

Those that think gang-rape is funny aren't exactly saints, no.

[The Cat-Tribe]

*nevermind*

[Greed and Death]

The Greek System and College Rape
http://www.ibiblio.org/rcip/collegerape.html#frat
http://gas.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/3/4/457
http://escholarship.bc.edu/dissertations/AAI3103213/

Me and my brothers would never tolerate that sort of thing.
We even have an unwritten rule to cock block anyone who's girl might be a little tipsy at a Fraternity event.

[Cameroi]

incredibly silly, but to each their own.

[Daistallia 2104]

The first college I went to was quite small and had one small frat. My freshman year there was 1 pledge. His "hazing" consisted of carrying around a brick. That was pretty lame.

The university I graduated from had several social GLOs. I generally ran with a different crowd, but my impressions of the members I did know were mostly meh running to negative. Probably the biggest impression was the guy who blew off his presentation in the IR seminar for a frat party, after the prof quite specifically told the guy he'd flunk him if he did.

The various comments from members here have pretty much simply added negative reinforcement to my opinion of social GLOs.

[Parthenon]

Cat, as someone that has passed the bar you do realize that rape includes any sexual intercourse that occurs while one or more parties is under the influence of alcohol?


As greeks engage in more sexual behavior and consume more alcohol than your typical college students the results are undoubtedly going to be skewed against them.

[The Cat-Tribe]

Cat, as someone that has passed the bar you do realize that rape includes any sexual intercourse that occurs while one or more parties is under the influence of alcohol?


As greeks engage in more sexual behavior and consume more alcohol than your typical college students the results are undoubtedly going to be skewed in against them.

Um. I'd tried to drop the matter, but if you insist we can debate it. There is a correlation and some evidence of causation between fraternaties and violent sexual assault.

Regardless, actually rape includes sexual intercourse that is not consensual. One may be so drunk that one is unable to consent to intercourse, but that is an altogether different thing than saying "any intercouse that occurs while one or more parties is under the influence of alcohol" is rape.

EDIT: And how much "sexual behavior" one engages in has fuck-all to do with rape. Nor are GDIs sexless.

[Parthenon]

Cat, as someone that has passed the bar you do realize that rape includes any sexual intercourse that occurs while one or more parties is under the influence of alcohol?


As greeks engage in more sexual behavior and consume more alcohol than your typical college students the results are undoubtedly going to be skewed in against them.

Um. I'd tried to drop the matter, but if you insist we can debate it. There is a correlation and some evidence of causation between fraternaties and violent sexual assault.

Regardless, actually rape includes sexual intercourse that is not consensual. One may be so drunk that one is unable to consent to intercourse, but that is an altogether different thing than saying "any intercouse that occurs while one or more parties is under the influence of alcohol" is rape.

Correlation does not equal causation, the first rule of psychology. The root cause is almost certainly certainly alcohol, not fraternity membership.

Any organizations that regularly holds events with high numbers of people and high quantities of alcohol is going to be prone to having a higher per capita number of sexual offenses than the norm. Happily, my old chapter has never had a rape reported in its extensive history and we intend to keep it that way. Hell, the university requires all Greek students (which is around 15% of the student body last I heard) to attend regular seminars on rape and sexual assault.

[No Names Left Damn It]

We don't really have it in England, but from what I've gathered fraternity people seem obnoxious and twattish.

[Concurria]

I am sorry my sense of humor is off. A large part of it was I said it in a way that no one should have registered as being serious.
Also trains differ from gangbangs. A train people take turns. a gang bang 3 guys or more each take a hole.

It's still a joke about rape... those ones are hard to get funny.

Everyone in the frat house thought it was hilarious until the police showed up.

Are you truly blind to the fact that we're discussing RAPE?

[Greed and Death]

It's still a joke about rape... those ones are hard to get funny.

Everyone in the frat house thought it was hilarious until the police showed up.

Are you truly blind to the fact that we're discussing RAPE?

With a humorous tone. Murder can also be discussed in such a manner.

[Greed and Death]

Any organizations that regularly holds events with high numbers of people and high quantities of alcohol is going to be prone to having a higher per capita number of sexual offenses than the norm. Happily, my old chapter has never had a rape reported in its extensive history and we intend to keep it that way. Hell, the university requires all Greek students (which is around 15% of the student body last I heard) to attend regular seminars on rape and sexual assault.

I hated those seminars.
so annoying.

Funny onetime something fishy was going on was not at one of the frat parties.
Some guy was pressuring this girl to drink something, to which she was declining and I elected to snatch it out of his hand and chug it. Something more then alcohol in there.

[West Failure]

One of the more WTF aspects of US culture, like cheerleading, and people in fezzes driving miniature cars etc..

[Intestinal fluids]

Which says more about the frat house members than it does the "joke."

Off the moral high horse Kemo Sabe. No one raped anyone and this isnt the first time in the history of humanity that a joke was misinterpreted.

[Intestinal fluids]

Are you truly blind to the fact that we're discussing RAPE?

No lets be clear, we are discussing FICTIONAL rape.

[Intestinal fluids]

I'm not sure which is sadder the desperate aspiration to elitism that causes many to think they should belong to the Greek system or the depravity that many of members of that system brag about.

When did you get old and burned out? You need to go out and have some fun and maybe get laid and lighten up a bit and spend some time remembering your youth better. Depravity was what college was all about and if it wasnt for you, then you didnt do it right. I was in a great and wild fraternity, but our grades were higher then the student body average and noone ever got arrested and only times the cops ever showed up was for the occasional noise complaint. Depravity? Lots of it. But it was good clean harmless fun and 20 years later, the entire experience STILL puts a smile on my face. How many things ever happened to you that can do that?

[Parthenon]

Any organizations that regularly holds events with high numbers of people and high quantities of alcohol is going to be prone to having a higher per capita number of sexual offenses than the norm. Happily, my old chapter has never had a rape reported in its extensive history and we intend to keep it that way. Hell, the university requires all Greek students (which is around 15% of the student body last I heard) to attend regular seminars on rape and sexual assault.

I hated those seminars.
so annoying.

Funny onetime something fishy was going on was not at one of the frat parties.
Some guy was pressuring this girl to drink something, to which she was declining and I elected to snatch it out of his hand and chug it. Something more then alcohol in there.

Along similar lines...

Myself and two of my pledge brothers were at a local pizza joint that closes at four in the morning one night following working the doorshift at one of our parties and there was some rather attractive ladies with this doucher of a guy. I mean total dbag, disrespecting the girls every time he opened his damn mouth. Eventually he got up to go piss figuring he was a drunken idiot. Being the charming gentleman I am I swoop in for the kill and ask the ladies something along the lines of "What the hell are you lovely young ladies doing with a douchebag like that?" to which they replied "We don't even know him, he knows one of our friends that already left and he is intent on coming home with us." He comes back from the bathroom and sees me talking with the girls and without even knowing the conversation he gets pissed at me, obviously insecure about whatever "game" he has. I flat out tell him that he is a douchebag and the girls don't want him around. He starts yelling a bit, restaurant owner throws him out. So around ten minutes pass and we finish up eating, I get the girl's numbers and tell them they are welcome to come over some time and hang out with us. After this brief little conversational exchange I go outside and there doucher is, apparently waiting for a cab, pissed as hell he wont be "getting any" and has to even pay for a ride. He gets into my face, starts talking shit. I tell him "look pal, there is three of us and one of you, you can't even walk straight, and the majority of the cars that drive down this road past 2:00am are cops." The dumbass had the audacity to shove me after that. Wanting to be the bigger man, I ignored it and walked away towards my brother's suv. My back is turned to him, must be 10 feet between us, and he goes into full sprint and shoves me again. Fuck that, I turned around and gave him two punches to the gut while he was holding on to me and one to the head. Thinking its over I try to leave once again but the asshole is too drunk to feel a thing and tries to throw a sucker punch when I am getting in the suv. One of my pledge brothers sees this and grabs the guy from behind. I turn back around, give him a single punch to the face and he gives up. At this time his taxi was had gotten there and the driver is just like "You got your ass kicked, hahahahah, try not to bleed or throw up in the seat" They end up leaving, I go in and tell the owner of the restaurant to call the cops if he comes back, get a kiss from one of the girls, and then take off back to the castle to drink more beer and shoot the shit with the brothers. Moral of the story, don't be a douchebag and disrespect women in public when any Greek worth their salt is around. You will be leaving home alone and you will be leaving with a black eye and bloody nose if you try anything.

[Sarkhaan]

BU's Greek system is pretty lame, so there was never any point in pledging. Had I picked a school that actually had a decent Greek system, I might have.

That said, two of my good friends are frat boys...DKE and Fiji

[Aelosia]

Depravity was what college was all about and if it wasnt for you, then you didnt do it right. I was in a great and wild fraternity, but our grades were higher then the student body average and noone ever got arrested and only times the cops ever showed up was for the occasional noise complaint. Depravity? Lots of it. But it was good clean harmless fun and 20 years later, the entire experience STILL puts a smile on my face. How many things ever happened to you that can do that?

College was about learning for most. That is why it was designed.

The fact that college was all about depravity for you teaches that your moral horse is truly wild. And you as a representative of the system your are depicting is depraved, and ridiculous.

[Concurria]

Everyone in the frat house thought it was hilarious until the police showed up.

Are you truly blind to the fact that we're discussing RAPE?

With a humorous tone. Murder can also be discussed in such a manner.

I don't find it funny given the scenario. I don't really think Fraternity men are in the best position to discuss rape, in the same way that I'd hope the South Carolinian senate would be hesitant to tout a race joke. Just a sore subject overall.

[Ifreann]

The Greek system doesn't exist here. We seem to manage a good amount of drunken debauchery without it.


Though, we're Irish. Drunken debauchery isn't a sport for us, its a way of life.

[Concurria]

The Greek system doesn't exist here. We seem to manage a good amount of drunken debauchery without it.


Though, we're Irish. Drunken debauchery isn't a sport for us, its a way of life.

Notra Dom?

[Parthenon]

Depravity was what college was all about and if it wasnt for you, then you didnt do it right. I was in a great and wild fraternity, but our grades were higher then the student body average and noone ever got arrested and only times the cops ever showed up was for the occasional noise complaint. Depravity? Lots of it. But it was good clean harmless fun and 20 years later, the entire experience STILL puts a smile on my face. How many things ever happened to you that can do that?

College was about learning for most. That is why it was designed.

The fact that college was all about depravity for you teaches that your moral horse is truly wild. And you as a representative of the system your are depicting is depraved, and ridiculous.

There is more to learning than what you see inside the pages of a book. That being said, you are hard pressed to find a fraternity whose GPA is below the All Men's average. If a fraternity's gpa gets too low the campus would go about putting them on social probation, not something that is many greeks want to go through.

[Ifreann]

The Greek system doesn't exist here. We seem to manage a good amount of drunken debauchery without it.


Though, we're Irish. Drunken debauchery isn't a sport for us, its a way of life.

Notra Dom?

No, I'm actually Irish and I attend an actual Irish college that's actually located on the island of Ireland.