What do you think of the college Greek system? Roll Call!

[Greed and Death]

Funny story. My fraternity was the last fraternity with a small house. Basically an on campus house leased to the Fraternity/Sorority.

Anyways, i was good and buzzed as the party was dying and was hanging out Bsing with the guy who was watching the door.
There was a rather large chick that we weren't letting in, and she started saying something about her friend was in there.
So I ask her whats your friends name, what does she look like ETC.
I said OH Melissa yeah she is drunk and passed out, and we are pulling a train on her we will send her out to you when we are done.
I meant it as a snide comment and went back inside to refill my beer.
then the fat chick called the police on us. Within 5 minutes 24 police officers had surrounded the house and of course nothing was going on.
I don't even think the chick had come to our party. But the school labeled it as an incident and revoked our lease on the Small house for it a sad day.

[Greed and Death]

Our school really isn't that big on the Greek system, so it's kind of irrelevant. Now, at my brother's university it's a lot different...I gotta admit, I'd probably be able to save a lot of money on alcohol if I joined one but the ones around here just aren't that big or interesting. The opposite is true in a lot of other places.

You don't have to join a Frat to save money on alcohol. Here is what you do buy a keg throw a party with music.
Charge guys 5 dollars for a cup, then let them drink as much as they want from that cup.
Give girls free drinks of course but give them a different color cup.

[Lycandom]

I'm going to be serious about this. I think that Frats and Soros should be regulated. Not every college has houses, but most (even if they don't have a house) have them. I think that a lot of times these can be breeding grounds for crime (not limited to underage drinking). I think that in general they can be positive with aiding new students and integrating them into life-long friendships. But, hazing is also a large problem. Hazing is not a joking matter and many people have died from it. We can't ignore the bad things that Frats and Soros do, but we also can't condemn them without listing their positive impacts.

Overall, I say that colleges/universities should have them, but shouldn't be lax on the individuals who partake in these "traditions."

[Parthenon]

Hazing is illegal and strictly monitored already.

[Concurria]

Hazing is illegal and strictly monitored already.

Hazing is illegal, but it isn't squelched. Furthermore, while I have no hands on experience, I have heard from those who've passed through Greek Life that hazing still occurs. Other times, "ritualized traditions with questionable content" are integrated into the system as a replacement.

[Greed and Death]

Hazing is illegal and strictly monitored already.

Yeah now a days even a whisper of hazing gets a fraternity put on probation while an investigation is started. Never mind if the university wants the on campus facilities and is looking for a reason to get the frat booted form them.

[Parthenon]

Hazing is illegal and strictly monitored already.

Hazing is illegal, but it isn't squelched. Furthermore, while I have no hands on experience, I have heard from those who've passed through Greek Life that hazing still occurs. Other times, "ritualized traditions with questionable content" are integrated into the system as a replacement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIP65ZjXBh0
What hazing used to be...

Today with all the regulations and monitoring you would probably get worse in the marching band. Cleaning duties, maybe a scavenger hunt or two, all preceded with a spiel about "Only if you want to" is pretty much the bulk of it now.

[Concurria]

Hazing is illegal and strictly monitored already.

Hazing is illegal, but it isn't squelched. Furthermore, while I have no hands on experience, I have heard from those who've passed through Greek Life that hazing still occurs. Other times, "ritualized traditions with questionable content" are integrated into the system as a replacement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIP65ZjXBh0
What hazing used to be...

Today with all the regulations and monitoring you would probably get worse in the marching band. Cleaning duties, maybe a scavenger hunt or two, all preceded with a spiel about "Only if you want to"

And that's really a disclaimer?

Pledges still need to be voted upon.

[Parthenon]

Hazing is illegal, but it isn't squelched. Furthermore, while I have no hands on experience, I have heard from those who've passed through Greek Life that hazing still occurs. Other times, "ritualized traditions with questionable content" are integrated into the system as a replacement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIP65ZjXBh0
What hazing used to be...

Today with all the regulations and monitoring you would probably get worse in the marching band. Cleaning duties, maybe a scavenger hunt or two, all preceded with a spiel about "Only if you want to"

And that's really a disclaimer?

Pledges still need to be voted upon.

What do you mean by "Pledges need to be voted upon"?

[Concurria]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIP65ZjXBh0
What hazing used to be...

Today with all the regulations and monitoring you would probably get worse in the marching band. Cleaning duties, maybe a scavenger hunt or two, all preceded with a spiel about "Only if you want to"

And that's really a disclaimer?

Pledges still need to be voted upon.

What do you mean by "Pledges need to be voted upon"?

While it's different for every chapter, IIRC, there's one final gateway between Pledges and full membership. Regardless, if they don't like you, and you haven't passed all the proper checkpoints, you can still be cast out.

Regardless, hazing shouldn't be apart of the process. The events should be constructive, not destructive. They shouldn't be replaced with fluff either.

[Greed and Death]

Hazing is illegal, but it isn't squelched. Furthermore, while I have no hands on experience, I have heard from those who've passed through Greek Life that hazing still occurs. Other times, "ritualized traditions with questionable content" are integrated into the system as a replacement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIP65ZjXBh0
What hazing used to be...

Today with all the regulations and monitoring you would probably get worse in the marching band. Cleaning duties, maybe a scavenger hunt or two, all preceded with a spiel about "Only if you want to" is pretty much the bulk of it now.

When I joined, I was 25 and had just finished 6 years in the army. I told them rather plainly I wasn't going to take crap from a 21 yr old and play stupid games. They said that's cool bro, and I was pretty much only a pledge on paper.

[Parthenon]

And that's really a disclaimer?

Pledges still need to be voted upon.

What do you mean by "Pledges need to be voted upon"?

While it's different for every chapter, IIRC, there's one final gateway between Pledges and full membership. Regardless, if they don't like you, and you haven't passed all the proper checkpoints, you can still be cast out.

Regardless, hazing shouldn't be apart of the process. The events should be constructive, not destructive. They shouldn't be replaced with fluff either.

We voted out shitty pledges all the time, can't think of a single one that wasn't blackballed for a substantial reason though. When you have history and traditions going back to the 1800s admitting a new member isn't something that is taken very likely.

[Concurria]

What do you mean by "Pledges need to be voted upon"?

While it's different for every chapter, IIRC, there's one final gateway between Pledges and full membership. Regardless, if they don't like you, and you haven't passed all the proper checkpoints, you can still be cast out.

Regardless, hazing shouldn't be apart of the process. The events should be constructive, not destructive. They shouldn't be replaced with fluff either.

We voted out shitty pledges all the time, can't think of a single one that wasn't blackballed for a substantial reason though. When you have history and traditions going back to the 1800s admitting a new member isn't something that is taken very likely.

And that's just it: The history and traditions shouldn't matter. The values should. I can't tell apart the chapters from their superficial profiles... which aren't the point of the Frat/Sors anyway. That's why I am so hesitant to join: Because the experience is productive but not purposive, beneficial but not meaningful, and I need both.

[Parthenon]

While it's different for every chapter, IIRC, there's one final gateway between Pledges and full membership. Regardless, if they don't like you, and you haven't passed all the proper checkpoints, you can still be cast out.

Regardless, hazing shouldn't be apart of the process. The events should be constructive, not destructive. They shouldn't be replaced with fluff either.

We voted out shitty pledges all the time, can't think of a single one that wasn't blackballed for a substantial reason though. When you have history and traditions going back to the 1800s admitting a new member isn't something that is taken very likely.

And that's just it: The history and traditions shouldn't matter. The values should. I can't tell apart the chapters from their superficial profiles... which aren't the point of the Frat/Sors anyway. That's why I am so hesitant to join: Because the experience is productive but not purposive, beneficial but not meaningful, and I need both.

I for one have always included the values of my fraternity as part of the history. Hell, I wont give a person a bid, let alone let them graduate pledging, if they aren't a gentleman that meets a strict set of criteria.

[Concurria]

We voted out shitty pledges all the time, can't think of a single one that wasn't blackballed for a substantial reason though. When you have history and traditions going back to the 1800s admitting a new member isn't something that is taken very likely.

And that's just it: The history and traditions shouldn't matter. The values should. I can't tell apart the chapters from their superficial profiles... which aren't the point of the Frat/Sors anyway. That's why I am so hesitant to join: Because the experience is productive but not purposive, beneficial but not meaningful, and I need both.

I for one have always included the values of my fraternity as part of the history. Hell, I wont give a person a bid, let alone let them graduate pledging, if they aren't a gentleman that meets a strict set or criteria.

And I'd find you to be the exception.

[Parthenon]

And that's just it: The history and traditions shouldn't matter. The values should. I can't tell apart the chapters from their superficial profiles... which aren't the point of the Frat/Sors anyway. That's why I am so hesitant to join: Because the experience is productive but not purposive, beneficial but not meaningful, and I need both.

I for one have always included the values of my fraternity as part of the history. Hell, I wont give a person a bid, let alone let them graduate pledging, if they aren't a gentleman that meets a strict set or criteria.

And I'd find you to be the exception.

I would say that such practice is pretty par the course at any SEC/ACC school, only seen blanket bidding done by some of the bottom tier fraternities and at schools in the north desperate for growth.

[Dakini]

Funny story. My fraternity was the last fraternity with a small house. Basically an on campus house leased to the Fraternity/Sorority.

Anyways, i was good and buzzed as the party was dying and was hanging out Bsing with the guy who was watching the door.
There was a rather large chick that we weren't letting in, and she started saying something about her friend was in there.
So I ask her whats your friends name, what does she look like ETC.
I said OH Melissa yeah she is drunk and passed out, and we are pulling a train on her we will send her out to you when we are done.
I meant it as a snide comment and went back inside to refill my beer.
then the fat chick called the police on us. Within 5 minutes 24 police officers had surrounded the house and of course nothing was going on.
I don't even think the chick had come to our party. But the school labeled it as an incident and revoked our lease on the Small house for it a sad day.

That's not really a funny story. You told a girl you were gang raping her friend.

[Greed and Death]

Funny story. My fraternity was the last fraternity with a small house. Basically an on campus house leased to the Fraternity/Sorority.

Anyways, i was good and buzzed as the party was dying and was hanging out Bsing with the guy who was watching the door.
There was a rather large chick that we weren't letting in, and she started saying something about her friend was in there.
So I ask her whats your friends name, what does she look like ETC.
I said OH Melissa yeah she is drunk and passed out, and we are pulling a train on her we will send her out to you when we are done.
I meant it as a snide comment and went back inside to refill my beer.
then the fat chick called the police on us. Within 5 minutes 24 police officers had surrounded the house and of course nothing was going on.
I don't even think the chick had come to our party. But the school labeled it as an incident and revoked our lease on the Small house for it a sad day.

That's not really a funny story. You told a girl you were gang raping her friend.

I am sorry my sense of humor is off. A large part of it was I said it in a way that no one should have registered as being serious.
Also trains differ from gangbangs. A train people take turns. a gang bang 3 guys or more each take a hole.

[Parthenon]

Members told new members that they would be branded as part of their initiation. After blindfolding the new members and placing them by a fire, members took branding irons immersed in ice water and pressed them against the new members' skin. Unable to distinguish cold from hot, new members thought they were being branded.

http://hazing.cornell.edu/incidents/descriptions.html

Incidents of hazing at Cornell, the above is my favorite.

[Greed and Death]

Members told new members that they would be branded as part of their initiation. After blindfolding the new members and placing them by a fire, members took branding irons immersed in ice water and pressed them against the new members' skin. Unable to distinguish cold from hot, new members thought they were being branded.

http://hazing.cornell.edu/incidents/descriptions.html

Incidents of hazing at Cornell, the above is my favorite.

We did that. it is hilarious and harmless fun.

[Dakini]

I am sorry my sense of humor is off. A large part of it was I said it in a way that no one should have registered as being serious.
Also trains differ from gangbangs. A train people take turns. a gang bang 3 guys or more each take a hole.

It's still a joke about rape... those ones are hard to get funny.

[Greed and Death]

I am sorry my sense of humor is off. A large part of it was I said it in a way that no one should have registered as being serious.
Also trains differ from gangbangs. A train people take turns. a gang bang 3 guys or more each take a hole.

It's still a joke about rape... those ones are hard to get funny.

Everyone in the frat house thought it was hilarious until the police showed up.

[The Cat-Tribe]

I am sorry my sense of humor is off. A large part of it was I said it in a way that no one should have registered as being serious.
Also trains differ from gangbangs. A train people take turns. a gang bang 3 guys or more each take a hole.

It's still a joke about rape... those ones are hard to get funny.

Everyone in the frat house thought it was hilarious until the police showed up.

Which says more about the frat house members than it does the "joke."

[The Cat-Tribe]

I'm not sure which is sadder the desperate aspiration to elitism that causes many to think they should belong to the Greek system or the depravity that many of members of that system brag about.

[Kyronea]

The fact that my college banned fraternities a few decades before I went there was one of its major selling points for me.

I kind of wish I had the same sort of luxury to choose in that manner, but probably regardless of which school I go to here in Colorado, there will be fraternities. (There's Phi Betta Kappa at the one I currently attend, though I don't know if they really count or not.)