What do you think of the college Greek system? Roll Call!

[Galloism]

I might have been in a fraternity in college...

I don't really remember.

Then you probably were...

Most likely. I don't remember 2004 to 2006.

In my defense, George W. Bush had just been reelected as President of the United States. I started drinking, and just didn't stop.

[Grave_n_idle]

I might have been in a fraternity in college...

I don't really remember.

Then you probably were...

Most likely. I don't remember 2004 to 2006.

In my defense, George W. Bush had just been reelected as President of the United States. I started drinking, and just didn't stop.

I'll not call that an unreasonable response.

[Concurria]

Well, Concurria, I would say that Business is definitely a large part of all economies across the world. Some colleges even specialize in business, so if you took away business than some colleges would have nothing. Business is part of the curriculum because it is a possible job that you can have. All jobs require training whether you go to college for Software Engineering or to a Trade School for Heating and Cooling. Business is a job and you need to be trained. To some, BA and BS degrees are challenging, to others Business is challenging. It is just how things are. Business is a part of the world and thus someone has to do it. When you go to get a job, you get one at a...business...most likely. (Side note: I'm not a business major.) Is that a good answer for you?

Specialization is not the role of the undergraduate Bachelor degree. If you want to be a seasoned professional, get a professional degree. Furthermore, if you want training in economics, get an economics degree. Was that so hard?

It isn't the role of the University to train students for jobs they may never have. A good University curriculum should entail a wide array of courses that train you in how to understand information and how to discuss that information... sometimes even making your own! "Business" is not a science nor an art. It's probably closer to a trade.

I am not a business major either, but my school does have a national respected Business school. I realize the consequences of what I'm arguing, but I also feel the effects of having a Business school on campus.

[Greed and Death]

From my current aesthetics teacher. In the 1960's my university experimented with not having a fraternity sorority system. Business's stopped hiring graduates form the school. Intermediaries between business and the university said it was because the graduates were too boring. And it is not just pure BBA's Accountants as well. You see if a fraternity/sorority sister has a degree in accounting I know I can take him to a client and have him explain whats going on with his money in terms he can understand, and without boring him. Because he would have talked about his degree with people who are not in his degree while in the fraternity. He also knows the rules of conversation.

And you need to be in a frat to have that?

I mean, in your country, people need entry into some kind of social elitist club to develop social skills?

How is people in High School over there, I wonder?

And what kind of business do not hire people because they are "boring"? I work for media, in entertaiment, and believe me, not even here we base our criteria on "how entertaining the people is", unless we are hiring comedians.

Not everyone needs a frat to do that. But those who do benefit well form it. It also shows a resume you have social skills. It is by no means the only way, just it is a certain way to show you have attained these skills. The entertainment industry would likely no need these rules anyways as entertainers by nature tend to be extroverts, besides a drama club is just like a Fraternity/Sorority anyways, except they don't have required volunteer hours or other community service projects.

It is about worth to a business, lets say a company has opening for a chemical engineer, and this job requires customer interaction on a fairly common basis.
Who is going to be a better asset to the company ?
Engineer A with a 3.5 GPA who was in a social club as his extracurricular . Or engineer B with a 3.6 GPA who was in the anime club as his extracircular.
I mean I like Naruto as much as the next guy, but the idea of a nerdy engineer talking about Nartuo driving away customers would give me a moment of pause in hiring him for a job requiring costumer interaction.

Your only really looking at the most visible of what a fraternity does. They organize and run ca food drives, volunteer for the communities the colleges are in, and become involved in local politics.

[Lycandom]

by Concurria

by me
Well, Concurria, I would say that Business is definitely a large part of all economies across the world. Some colleges even specialize in business, so if you took away business than some colleges would have nothing. Business is part of the curriculum because it is a possible job that you can have. All jobs require training whether you go to college for Software Engineering or to a Trade School for Heating and Cooling. Business is a job and you need to be trained. To some, BA and BS degrees are challenging, to others Business is challenging. It is just how things are. Business is a part of the world and thus someone has to do it. When you go to get a job, you get one at a...business...most likely. (Side note: I'm not a business major.) Is that a good answer for you?

Specialization is not the role of the undergraduate Bachelor degree. If you want to be a seasoned professional, get a professional degree. Furthermore, if you want training in economics, get an economics degree. Was that so hard?

It isn't the role of the University to train students for jobs they may never have. A good University curriculum should entail a wide array of courses that train you in how to understand information and how to discuss that information... sometimes even making your own! "Business" is not a science nor an art. It's probably closer to a trade.

I am not a business major either, but my school does have a national respected Business school. I realize the consequences of what I'm arguing, but I also feel the effects of having a Business school on campus.

I have a Business school on campus at the school that I attend as well. It gets pretty annoying with the touting of that school over others.

You're right, Business isn't an art or a science, but it is Business. Really, business effects everything. So, I can see what you are saying, but maybe business is a necessary evil?

Actually, Undergraduate Bachelor degrees are supposed to prepare you for a certain job so essential they are specializing you into an area while a higher level degree like Ph. D. or a Masters would specialize you even more.

I can see why you are saying Business should be a trade, but every student at every college should take business courses since it affects them. If you are going to have people at a college take business courses, but then don't have business as a specialty or a degree isn't that contradictory? The school would be saying, you have to take business courses because it will affect you, but business isn't important enough to make a degree. You have to go to a trade school for that. Plus, a lot of higher ups in companies have Business degrees (MBA), so you want them to get no bachelor/college education at all. I think that it is too engrained to be removed.

[Valipac]

Rent a friend, join a frat.

In all seriousness though frats aren't that great at A&M. Best party crowd is the Bonfire group, and it's not like you would join a frat for academics (well, I wouldn't at least).

* Over 85% of the student leaders on some 730 campuses are involved in the Greek community.
* All but eight U.S. Presidents have been fraternity men since 1825 when the first social fraternity was founded. Today, 76% of all U.S. Congressmen and Senators are Greek.
* Of the nations 50 largest corporations, 43 are led by fraternity men and sorority women.
* Greeks raise over $7 million for charity every year.
* A U.S. Government study shows that over 70% of all those who join a fraternity/ sorority graduate, while under 50% of all non-fraternity/sorority persons graduate.
* Students who join Greek organizations are more likely to return to school the following year.
* 850,000 hours are annually volunteered by Greeks across the country.
* Approximately 85% of the top executives of Fortune 500 companies belong to a fraternity or sorority.

Is this supposed to impress me? Because it doesn't. It just shows me that not every institution of learning is as lucky as A&M to have a group of students outside of fraternities where you don't have to pay money to have a good time and a great group of friends. Think we don't do volunteer work? We do. Think we don't do well after college? We do. Think that a fraternity is more likely to get you a job than the Aggie Network? Definitely not inside Texas. Plenty of Governors and Senators from the state of Texas were Aggies - and it had nothing to do with whether or not they were a fraternity member. As for the government study showing fraternity/sorority members are more likely to graduate - could those numbers be skewed by the fact that fraternity/sorority members are more likely to be financially privileged and to come from better backgrounds, meaning that fewer have to drop out due to non-academic reasons? Likely. So no, like I said before, I am not impressed.

[Aelosia]

Not everyone needs a frat to do that. But those who do benefit well form it. It also shows a resume you have social skills. It is by no means the only way, just it is a certain way to show you have attained these skills. The entertainment industry would likely no need these rules anyways as entertainers by nature tend to be extroverts, besides a drama club is just like a Fraternity/Sorority anyways, except they don't have required volunteer hours or other community service projects.

It is about worth to a business, lets say a company has opening for a chemical engineer, and this job requires customer interaction on a fairly common basis.
Who is going to be a better asset to the company ?
Engineer A with a 3.5 GPA who was in a social club as his extracurricular . Or engineer B with a 3.6 GPA who was in the anime club as his extracircular.
I mean I like Naruto as much as the next guy, but the idea of a nerdy engineer talking about Nartuo driving away customers would give me a moment of pause in hiring him for a job requiring costumer interaction.

Your only really looking at the most visible of what a fraternity does. They organize and run ca food drives, volunteer for the communities the colleges are in, and become involved in local politics.

Then again, do you need to be part of an elitist club to do that?

Volunteer work is compulsory for all university students here, for example. you choose what do you want to volunteer for, but you must do some social mission.

If the extrovert people do not need (and so do not belong) to fraternities, why fraternity people get involved in local politics? I would guess the local politicians were those extrovert and smart people who didn't need to be part of the frat club in the first place...Or perhaps those frats participate in politics because their clan give them power and influence to do so?

I don't know, for a chemical engineer with costumer interaction...First, here we have another kind of people different from engineers for most costumer intraction. In any case, even then, most enterprises look for engineers with postgrades or courses related to costumer interaction. They wouldn't look if you played football, baseball, were part of the drama club or part of a fraternity during your university years. They would look at what did you study, and where. And specially, they would favor a guy with 3.6 over a guy with 3.5, if they need a chemical engineer. If they need a salesman or a representative, they would look for it.

Anyway, more than your resumé, they have interviews for a reason. 30 seconds with you will tell me more about your social skills than any membership of PiPiKappa in your past.

[Concurria]

by Concurria

by me
Well, Concurria, I would say that Business is definitely a large part of all economies across the world. Some colleges even specialize in business, so if you took away business than some colleges would have nothing. Business is part of the curriculum because it is a possible job that you can have. All jobs require training whether you go to college for Software Engineering or to a Trade School for Heating and Cooling. Business is a job and you need to be trained. To some, BA and BS degrees are challenging, to others Business is challenging. It is just how things are. Business is a part of the world and thus someone has to do it. When you go to get a job, you get one at a...business...most likely. (Side note: I'm not a business major.) Is that a good answer for you?

Specialization is not the role of the undergraduate Bachelor degree. If you want to be a seasoned professional, get a professional degree. Furthermore, if you want training in economics, get an economics degree. Was that so hard?

It isn't the role of the University to train students for jobs they may never have. A good University curriculum should entail a wide array of courses that train you in how to understand information and how to discuss that information... sometimes even making your own! "Business" is not a science nor an art. It's probably closer to a trade.

I am not a business major either, but my school does have a national respected Business school. I realize the consequences of what I'm arguing, but I also feel the effects of having a Business school on campus.

I have a Business school on campus at the school that I attend as well. It gets pretty annoying with the touting of that school over others.

You're right, Business isn't an art or a science, but it is Business. Really, business effects everything. So, I can see what you are saying, but maybe business is a necessary evil?

Actually, Undergraduate Bachelor degrees are supposed to prepare you for a certain job so essential they are specializing you into an area while a higher level degree like Ph. D. or a Masters would specialize you even more.

I can see why you are saying Business should be a trade, but every student at every college should take business courses since it affects them. If you are going to have people at a college take business courses, but then don't have business as a specialty or a degree isn't that contradictory? The school would be saying, you have to take business courses because it will affect you, but business isn't important enough to make a degree. You have to go to a trade school for that. Plus, a lot of higher ups in companies have Business degrees (MBA), so you want them to get no bachelor/college education at all. I think that it is too engrained to be removed.

That's just the thing: Business is not an art or science and therefore doesn't belong in a Arts and Sciences program. Teaching someone how to run a business is not a matter of expanding one's mind. It is a matter of teaching someone how to micromanage a system within a larger one. Valuable skills, but not the purpose of the Undergraduate degree.

I don't have a problem with the MBA, however, because I don't have a problem with professional degrees (I myself wanting one).

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I might have been in a fraternity in college...

I don't really remember.

Then you probably were...

Most likely. I don't remember 2004 to 2006.

In my defense, George W. Bush had just been reelected as President of the United States. I started drinking, and just didn't stop.

You should definitely write a script: Galloism 04-06: The Lost Years.

[Ifreann]

Then you probably were...

Most likely. I don't remember 2004 to 2006.

In my defense, George W. Bush had just been reelected as President of the United States. I started drinking, and just didn't stop.

You should definitely write a script: Galloism 04-06: The Lost Years.

If he doesn't remember it then I don't think it'll be very long.....

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If he doesn't remember it then I don't think it'll be very long.....

Haven't you heard of speculating what may have happened?

[Ifreann]

If he doesn't remember it then I don't think it'll be very long.....

Haven't you heard of speculating what may have happened?

"There was this time the Chinese were spying on me...."

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If he doesn't remember it then I don't think it'll be very long.....

Haven't you heard of speculating what may have happened?

"There was this time the Chinese were spying on me...."

See, you go the right idea. You should be one of the script writers, Iffy.

[Bottle]

I'm actually a Kappa Sigma "brother," oddly enough.

A very close friend of mine was a brother in that frat, ended up being an officer or whatever you call it by his senior year. He asked me and two of our friends to let him induct us into the frat, secretly, because he said we were his family and the ritual meant something to him. He stole their book and a couple other items I'm not supposed to talk about, and did this ceremony with each of us, and technically this made all of us "brothers" in the frat because I guess he followed all their special rules in doing this stuff. We even know a secret handshake.

I honestly never was interested in Greek life, but it means something to me that I'm a "brother" in that frat, even if it doesn't really count. It meant something to my friend and it means something to me that he wanted me to be his brother that way.

[Intangelon]

Rent a friend, join a frat.

In all seriousness though frats aren't that great at A&M. Best party crowd is the Bonfire group, and it's not like you would join a frat for academics (well, I wouldn't at least).

* Over 85% of the student leaders on some 730 campuses are involved in the Greek community.
* All but eight U.S. Presidents have been fraternity men since 1825 when the first social fraternity was founded. Today, 76% of all U.S. Congressmen and Senators are Greek.
* Of the nations 50 largest corporations, 43 are led by fraternity men and sorority women.
* Greeks raise over $7 million for charity every year.
* A U.S. Government study shows that over 70% of all those who join a fraternity/ sorority graduate, while under 50% of all non-fraternity/sorority persons graduate.
* Students who join Greek organizations are more likely to return to school the following year.
* 850,000 hours are annually volunteered by Greeks across the country.
* Approximately 85% of the top executives of Fortune 500 companies belong to a fraternity or sorority.

Wait, so when the oligarchs and plutarchs who bought and paid for this country a long time ago invented a system to legitimately hand the reins of power over to their sons, it actually worked? Shocking.

If it weren't for the booze, all the hazing, ass-paddling and teabagging would be seen for what it really is: Delta Kappa Gay.