What does "Libertarian" mean to you?

[Unilisia]

Means idiot to me... no offense to anyone, but libertarian views aren't my cup of tea.

[Mike the Progressive]

Means idiot to me... no offense to anyone, but libertarian views aren't my cup of tea.

It's okay, the majority of people are ignorant and therefore bliss.

[Mediterreania]

libertarian (adj) - favoring liberty or freedom.
Legalizing marijuana would be a libertarian action.

libertarian (n) - one who favors liberty or freedom.
Thomas Jefferson was a libertarian.

Libertarian (n) - a member of the Libertarian Party, usually in America.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian.

That's what it means to me.

[Grave_n_idle]

Easy, but ridiculously slow. Also, not reliable. How do you know the person isn't just scanning a hundred items and not putting them up?

RFID

Doesn't even begin to solve the problem. Even if it were commonplace and cheap enough to be disposable, it has to be a complete alternate to what we were discussing (which is advisable, given what a clusterfuck idea that was) or it simply doesn't fix the highlighted problem (The lack of speed, especially). Even if it were disposable, it doesn't remove the 'accountability' argument - since you could have two people stacking shelves (for example), and even RFID that was constantly monitored wouldn't show you how much productivity each worker created.

[Galt Worshippers]

Yes and they used to think electricity was a useless invention and that no business would ever agree to have a minimum wage.

[Drakonaj]

Libertarian means lover and supporter of liberty and non authoritarian rule.
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[The Merchant Republics]

Yes and they used to think electricity was a useless invention and that no business would ever agree to have a minimum wage.

I don't think anyone doubted the value of electricity, doubted how much it would eventually change our lives, perhaps. But few would say that anyone thought that electricity was useless.

No business should ever have to agree to a minimum wage, no business ever did, that businesses would adjust to minimum wages, most people figured that.

[The Parkus Empire]

People who have some right opinions for the wrong reasons, along with some wrong opinions for the wrong reasons.

[Meryuma]

The reason behind all libertarian positions is opposition to coercion. Is that a wrong reason?

[Mike the Progressive]

The reason behind all libertarian positions is opposition to coercion. Is that a wrong reason?

No.

[The Merchant Republics]

People who have some right opinions for the wrong reasons, along with some wrong opinions for the wrong reasons.

What is there that Libertarians have the right opinions of but with the wrong reason? I can't ponder any particular set of beliefs I have that I would say are for the wrong reasons, I sort of took you for a social libertarian even if not an economic one.

[Mediterreania]

People who have some right opinions for the wrong reasons, along with some wrong opinions for the wrong reasons.

What is there that Libertarians have the right opinions of but with the wrong reason? I can't ponder any particular set of beliefs I have that I would say are for the wrong reasons, I sort of took you for a social libertarian even if not an economic one.

I think he's referring to ancaps, who are social libertarians just to be consistent with economics.

[Trotskylvania]

The reason behind all libertarian positions is opposition to coercion. Is that a wrong reason?

Not all coercion is morally equivalent

[The Parkus Empire]

The reason behind all libertarian positions is opposition to coercion. Is that a wrong reason?

Coercion is quite useful, when used correctly.

[The Parkus Empire]

What is there that Libertarians have the right opinions of but with the wrong reason?

Are you talking about the party or the movement?

I can't ponder any particular set of beliefs I have that I would say are for the wrong reasons, I sort of took you for a social libertarian even if not an economic one.

I'm socially and economically liberal, as in I am strongly for more freedoms in both. I stay away from libertarian economic concepts because they would lead to monopolies and corporate government.

[Glorious Homeland]

Means idiot to me... no offense to anyone, but libertarian views aren't my cup of tea.

It's okay, the majority of people are ignorant and therefore bliss.

Lol, ironic since in a BBC documentary, in an interview with a libertarian politician in the USA, the politician said "tell me what government can do that I can't tell my own child?" Well, sex education is a good example if you compare the effectiveness of the Dutch system over the past 30 years, to the American and countries where such measures have not been implemented.

It suggests strongly that if you leave parents and children and teens without some sort of government led programme on the matter, it'll be worse than it needs to be. And if it's true for sex education, the implication is that it can be true for more things. So no, Libertarianism in the sense of "what can the government do for me that I need?" is bollocks. Because American citizens cannot be held accountable for teaching their own children about sex properly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pr ... _pregnancy

[The Andromeda Islands]

libertarianism is supposed to mean economic and social freedom.

Most Libertarians (big L) come off as people who either want the freedon to be boorish buttholes or smoke weed.

[Mike the Progressive]

It's okay, the majority of people are ignorant and therefore bliss.

Lol, ironic since in a BBC documentary, in an interview with a libertarian politician in the USA, the politician said "tell me what government can do that I can't tell my own child?" Well, sex education is a good example if you compare the effectiveness of the Dutch system over the past 30 years, to the American and countries where such measures have not been implemented.

It suggests strongly that if you leave parents and children and teens without some sort of government led programme on the matter, it'll be worse than it needs to be. And if it's true for sex education, the implication is that it can be true for more things. So no, Libertarianism in the sense of "what can the government do for me that I need?" is bollocks. Because American citizens cannot be held accountable for teaching their own children about sex properly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pr ... _pregnancy

They should though.

[Occupied Deutschland]

libertarianism is supposed to mean economic and social freedom.

Most Libertarians (big L) come off as people who either want the freedon to be boorish buttholes or smoke weed.

Guilty on both counts!
But I want you to have the freedom to be a boorish butthole too!

[The Merchant Republics]

What is there that Libertarians have the right opinions of but with the wrong reason?

Are you talking about the party or the movement?

Either or, specifically the movement but also the party, while they're not while they're not intrinsically the same, the libertarian party generally follows the ideals of the libertarian movement.At least that's what I've experienced. In contrast to say the tea party.

I can't ponder any particular set of beliefs I have that I would say are for the wrong reasons, I sort of took you for a social libertarian even if not an economic one.

I'm socially and economically liberal, as in I am strongly for more freedoms in both. I stay away from libertarian economic concepts because they would lead to monopolies and corporate government.

That is what I assumed, still I don't quite understand how it's for the wrong reasons. I won't go into economics just socially.

[The Parkus Empire]

Either or, specifically the movement but also the party, while they're not while they're not intrinsically the same, the libertarian party generally follows the ideals of the libertarian movement.At least that's what I've experienced. In contrast to say the tea party.

Not entirely. For instance, the Libertarian Party is for, or at least its candidates have supported, taking all languages but English off the ballot. I don't see how this is at all a libertarian ideal.

That is what I assumed, still I don't quite understand how it's for the wrong reasons. I won't go into economics just socially.

A good deal of the Libertarian support of civil rights is about property freedom more than bodily freedom. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say that many-a-Libertarian thinks his property should receive more legal precedent than my body, thus bodily rights are only supported where they benefit or do not hinder property rights; as I see it, this make greed the primary motivator of Libertarian ideals, and I find that a wrong reason.

[Glorious Homeland]

Lol, ironic since in a BBC documentary, in an interview with a libertarian politician in the USA, the politician said "tell me what government can do that I can't tell my own child?" Well, sex education is a good example if you compare the effectiveness of the Dutch system over the past 30 years, to the American and countries where such measures have not been implemented.

It suggests strongly that if you leave parents and children and teens without some sort of government led programme on the matter, it'll be worse than it needs to be. And if it's true for sex education, the implication is that it can be true for more things. So no, Libertarianism in the sense of "what can the government do for me that I need?" is bollocks. Because American citizens cannot be held accountable for teaching their own children about sex properly.
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They should though.

But they don't, so the idea that government is needless is false, because good government programmes do help improve peoples lives substantially, in the case of teenage pregnancies and reducing poverty being two major examples. Thus, the libertarian movement is based on a flawed assumption regarding individual self-sufficiency and the efficiency of a no, or small-government.

[GeneralHaNor]

The reason behind all libertarian positions is opposition to coercion. Is that a wrong reason?

Not all coercion is morally equivalent

C=C, less of C is still C, and C for reason E is identical to C for reason S, no matter how much rhetoric and moral relativism you try to coat it in.

No matter where you shit, it still stinks

The reason behind all libertarian positions is opposition to coercion. Is that a wrong reason?

Coercion is quite useful, when used correctly.

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[The Parkus Empire]

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This is why Statism and Anarcho-Communism bare little actual difference

I don't even believe true anarchism can be maintained with out a little coercion to prevent organizations from becoming governments.

[Conservative Alliances]

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This is why Statism and Anarcho-Communism bare little actual difference

I don't even believe true anarchism can be maintained with out a little coercion to prevent organizations from becoming governments.

I think that depends entirely on far you want to take the definition of coercion. True anarchy would be inherently opposed to government as far as its structure is concerned. I wouldn't consider that coercion.