What does "Libertarian" mean to you?

[Conserative Morality]

Who decides who is "dangerous" and deserves to die?

The State.

[Sibirsky]

I don't know. The key is to make sure they understand that medication A for example has gone through however many stages of trials, has minimal risks and known benefits, and has been approved by the FDA. Medication B however, has not gone through these tests. It may or may not have side effects, which if they do exist are not yet known.

That's going to get about as much attention as those commercials for god-knows how many milder medications that remind everyone of the side-effects as an afterthought. Listing the side effects will not deter the average consumer, it's either something to solve their problem, or it isn't.

Point is, medications will be available sooner. Once they are fully tested then they're either banned or approved. But testing takes 10 years or more. And we have people dieing because they can't get these medications.

[Conserative Morality]

Yeah those Iraqi children where such a danger.

Actually, it's your celebrated individuals that perform such actions, as the US military abides by the Geneva conventions.

[Conserative Morality]

Point is, medications will be available sooner. Once they are fully tested then they're either banned or approved. But testing takes 10 years or more. And we have people dieing because they can't get these medications.

And as such, you'll have people dying because they are taking those medications. And now the company in question is liable to a lawsuit in this sue-happy country. Wonderful.

[Wamitoria]

^This

One of the draws of government is that they kill people, specifically, dangerous people.

Yeah those Iraqi children where such a danger.

We obviously should have let this guy go free, then.

[Sibirsky]

Yeah those Iraqi children where such a danger.

Actually, it's your celebrated individuals that perform such actions, as the US military abides by the Geneva conventions.

Collateral damage doesn't exist.

[Conserative Morality]

Collateral damage doesn't exist.

And remind me, what is the meaning of collateral damage?

Oh, right.

[Kaputer]

Their Republicans who got pissed off by Bush and wanted to be different so some talk radio guys are like let's be libertarian. Libertarians are so fractured in the U.S. Most people who call themselves Libertarian are just conservatives especially on social issues. There are a percentage that are definition libertarians. Also I believe Libertarians will just become the Republicans equivalent of what the Green Party is to the dems.

[Sibirsky]

Point is, medications will be available sooner. Once they are fully tested then they're either banned or approved. But testing takes 10 years or more. And we have people dieing because they can't get these medications.

And as such, you'll have people dying because they are taking those medications. And now the company in question is liable to a lawsuit in this sue-happy country. Wonderful.

I'm sure more people die due to a lack of medicine, than side effects. And, for those taking unapproved medications, make sure they understand the risks, then have them sign a waiver, so they can't sue.

[Sibirsky]

Yeah those Iraqi children where such a danger.

We obviously should have let this guy go free, then.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm sure more people die due to a lack of medicine, than side effects.

Source?

And, for those taking unapproved medications, make sure they understand the risks, then have them sign a waiver, so they can't sue.

So long as they blindly sign a waiver, they can kill themselves off?


Sign a waiver
That's the way
Sign a waiver
Make your troubles go away!

[Wamitoria]

We obviously should have let this guy go free, then.

Why the palm?

[Sibirsky]

Why the palm?

What the fuck does a serial killer have to do with anything I said?

[Ascelonia]

Their Republicans who got pissed off by Bush and wanted to be different so some talk radio guys are like let's be libertarian. Libertarians are so fractured in the U.S. Most people who call themselves Libertarian are just conservatives especially on social issues. There are a percentage that are definition libertarians. Also I believe Libertarians will just become the Republicans equivalent of what the Green Party is to the dems.

Well, actually, libertarianism is an ideology that has existed for centuries. However, if you refer to the Libertarian Party, and Republicans and Tea Partiers that are branding themselves as libertarians, then I would agree to some extent.

[The Black Forrest]

That's going to get about as much attention as those commercials for god-knows how many milder medications that remind everyone of the side-effects as an afterthought. Listing the side effects will not deter the average consumer, it's either something to solve their problem, or it isn't.

Point is, medications will be available sooner. Once they are fully tested then they're either banned or approved. But testing takes 10 years or more. And we have people dieing because they can't get these medications.

Indeed. Then they is the possibility of people dying because something was released when it shouldn't have been.

The EU comment is intriguing though. If they passed some stuff, that should have weight in the evaluation.

[Sibirsky]

Their Republicans who got pissed off by Bush and wanted to be different so some talk radio guys are like let's be libertarian. Libertarians are so fractured in the U.S. Most people who call themselves Libertarian are just conservatives especially on social issues. There are a percentage that are definition libertarians. Also I believe Libertarians will just become the Republicans equivalent of what the Green Party is to the dems.

Well, actually, libertarianism is an ideology that has existed for centuries. However, if you refer to the Libertarian Party, and Republicans and Tea Partiers that are branding themselves as libertarians, then I would agree to some extent.

The Libertarian Party was founded in the early 70s.

[Conservative Alliances]

Have two tiers. Fully tested and approved and not approved. Not banned, just not approved. Make sure people understand that there are possible risks with taking these medications.

And how many people do you think would actually pay attention to the difference between not banned and approved?

Who's fault is it if they don't?

^This

One of the draws of government is that they kill people, specifically, dangerous people.

Yeah those Iraqi children where such a danger.

Oh, come on, that's a bullshit reply. I agree with you on most things, but it is exceedingly hypocritical to write off companies refusing to test products as mistakes, then claim collateral damage is malicious.

[Kaputer]

Their Republicans who got pissed off by Bush and wanted to be different so some talk radio guys are like let's be libertarian. Libertarians are so fractured in the U.S. Most people who call themselves Libertarian are just conservatives especially on social issues. There are a percentage that are definition libertarians. Also I believe Libertarians will just become the Republicans equivalent of what the Green Party is to the dems.

Well, actually, libertarianism is an ideology that has existed for centuries. However, if you refer to the Libertarian Party, and Republicans and Tea Partiers that are branding themselves as libertarians, then I would agree to some extent.

I was referring to modern American libertarians.

[Wamitoria]

Why the palm?

What the fuck does a serial killer have to do with anything I said?

You seemed to be arguing the the government can only kill innocent civilians. I post accordingly.

[Sibirsky]

Oh, come on, that's a bullshit reply. I agree with you on most things, but it is exceedingly hypocritical to write off companies refusing to test products as mistakes, then claim collateral damage is malicious.

I'm not claiming collateral damage is malicious, not at all. I'm claiming the entire purpose of going into Iraq was unfounded. The military, run by the Department of Defense, is responsible for defense. Iraq wasn't a threat.

[Ascelonia]

Well, actually, libertarianism is an ideology that has existed for centuries. However, if you refer to the Libertarian Party, and Republicans and Tea Partiers that are branding themselves as libertarians, then I would agree to some extent.

I was referring to modern American libertarians.

Most people in America who call themselves libertarians are not libertarians.

[Sibirsky]

What the fuck does a serial killer have to do with anything I said?

You seemed to be arguing the the government can only kill innocent civilians. I post accordingly.

[Conservative Alliances]

Oh, come on, that's a bullshit reply. I agree with you on most things, but it is exceedingly hypocritical to write off companies refusing to test products as mistakes, then claim collateral damage is malicious.

I'm not claiming collateral damage is malicious, not at all. I'm claiming the entire purpose of going into Iraq was unfounded. The military, run by the Department of Defense, is responsible for defense. Iraq wasn't a threat.

Yet you implied that the military was purposely targeting Iraqi children.

[Ascelonia]

Well, actually, libertarianism is an ideology that has existed for centuries. However, if you refer to the Libertarian Party, and Republicans and Tea Partiers that are branding themselves as libertarians, then I would agree to some extent.

The Libertarian Party was founded in the early 70s.

Indeed. I was simply clarifying the difference between actual libertarians, and American politicians and media personalities who like to refer to themselves as libertarians.

[Sungai Pusat]

The problem with capital L Libertarianism is that they don't understand that "fiscal liberty" is a contradiction in philosophy. Laissez-faire capitalism liberates the wealthy and enslaves the poor. You cannot be free in a system that forces people to choose wage labor or starvation.

Well, if that's the case, would you let the workers choose what salary they want, even if they don't deserve that number? Remember, you do not want 'slavery' for the poor, and since "wage labour is slavery", why not just let them choose what amount to take?

My point is that there has to be a wage, otherwise business wouldn't exist and everyone would be worse off.

most social repression comes from economics anyway.

It is important to understand that that kind of stuff will always happen, regardless of the economic system. In USA, the problem right now is how the government manages. And the size of it. The local government in New Orleans built these apartments for the blacks in the city. Unfortunately, the apartments were in the areas affected by hurricanes, most noticably Hurrican Katrina.

Taken from this site.

It did show, not as much on where the apartments were, but it did show on how the demolishing of the apartments affected the blacks, who were affected enough.....

Also, with Kelo in USA (I'm sure there is no need for any sources because many people know about it, no?) the act allows any local government to forcefully take land and property from owners on the land, taking them and giving it to another private owner. I am at least OK with the idea of eminent domain for public use, at least weighing it between public and private use, but I do not feel this kind of eminent domain is something to look at. Then again, it's to make money. We are all fallible beings after all. >.<