If he was a libertarian, he wouldn't refer to himself as a social conservative.
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by South Lorenya » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:19 pm
by The Deleted Chris » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:20 pm
by Hydesland » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:21 pm
North Suran wrote:A vast majority of libertarians are socially conservative.
by South Lorenya » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:21 pm
by The Black Forrest » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:22 pm
by Occupied Deutschland » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:22 pm
by The Deleted Chris » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:23 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The Deleted Chris wrote:
Well congratulations on winning smug leftist wanker of the thread award.
You really couldn't have just offered a constructive and objective contribution?
This is a thread asking what people think about Libertarianism. From the way people are being jumped on, it seems like several have misread it as 'state how realistic and desirable Libertarian polices are or get bitchslapped by conceited rightists'. Sure, state your opinions everyone, as long as they're objective i.e. agree with mine!
by Ashmoria » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:25 pm
The Deleted Chris wrote:Ashmoria wrote:to me it means delusional people who think that a country of 300million+ people can have a small government.
Well congratulations on winning smug leftist wanker of the thread award.
You really couldn't have just offered a constructive and objective contribution?
by The Deleted Chris » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:26 pm
South Lorenya wrote:The Deleted Chris wrote:
"Socially conservative" denoting what? And presumably this is limited to the USA?
"Social conservative" means that they have the same position on civil rights as conservatives, give or take. Libertarians, however, are normally socially liberal and economically conservative.
by The Deleted Chris » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:28 pm
by Northwest Slobovia » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:28 pm
The Congregationists wrote:So how would you define "libertarian" then?
by The Black Forrest » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:29 pm
The Deleted Chris wrote:Ashmoria wrote:to me it means delusional people who think that a country of 300million+ people can have a small government.
Well congratulations on winning smug leftist wanker of the thread award.
You really couldn't have just offered a constructive and objective contribution?
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:29 pm
The Deleted Chris wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
This is a thread asking what people think about Libertarianism. From the way people are being jumped on, it seems like several have misread it as 'state how realistic and desirable Libertarian polices are or get bitchslapped by conceited rightists'. Sure, state your opinions everyone, as long as they're objective i.e. agree with mine!
There's a difference between a constructive definition of a political movement and ideology, and an explanation of why one opposes it, and a typically self-satisfied and abrasive dismissal of anything that a generic leftist disagrees with.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:32 pm
by The Deleted Chris » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:33 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The Deleted Chris wrote:
There's a difference between a constructive definition of a political movement and ideology, and an explanation of why one opposes it, and a typically self-satisfied and abrasive dismissal of anything that a generic leftist disagrees with.
Hah. I can hardly imagine you giving a constructive definition of a left-wing ideology. As much as you work to establish that dichotomy, the difference between the two alternatives you put forward is essentially whether you personally agree with the opinion being articulated.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:36 pm
The Deleted Chris wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Hah. I can hardly imagine you giving a constructive definition of a left-wing ideology. As much as you work to establish that dichotomy, the difference between the two alternatives you put forward is essentially whether you personally agree with the opinion being articulated.
Not really, no. It should be perfectly easy for an intelligent person to articulate why they disagree with something without resorting to generalisation, simplification and self-satisfaction.
by The Deleted Chris » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:37 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The Deleted Chris wrote:
Not really, no. It should be perfectly easy for an intelligent person to articulate why they disagree with something without resorting to generalisation, simplification and self-satisfaction.
As with your constant comments about 'smug' and 'generic' leftists. You honestly think you're fit to cast the first stone here
by Meryuma » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:37 pm
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
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by Fnordgasm 5 » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:38 pm
The Deleted Chris wrote:Well congratulations on winning smug leftist wanker of the thread award.
You really couldn't have just offered a constructive and objective contribution?
Not really, no. It should be perfectly easy for an intelligent person to articulate why they disagree with something without resorting to generalisation, simplification and self-satisfaction.
by Christian Democrats » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:40 pm
The Congregationists wrote:Over in the "what does progressive mean to you " thread, I suggested that "libertarian" is turning into a rebranding of "conservative" so that center-right political views can have a chance at appealing to people it would not otherwise - the internet generation. That is by no means the only applicable definition nor is it (in my opinion) the correct one, but that seems to be what's happening with the word 'libertarian.' It prompted the following reply:Meryuma wrote:1. Libertarianism isn't innately right-wing. Is the Center for a Stateless Society right-wing? Is the Alliance of the Libertarian Left right-wing?
2. Modern libertarianism started in the 60s with Murray Rothbard. It emerged from a mixture of classical liberalism, Austrian economics, and individualist anarchism. It is completely separate from conservatism, with different values, goals, inspirations, and origins.
3. Libertarians are against fundie moralism and war, period. It's not in the terminology, but inherent in libertarian principles, which I must remind you are very different then conservative ones. No libertarians want to impose "family values" through legislation. No libertarians want to
4. Some libertarians ally with conservatives, or hold socially conservative views. Other libertarians ally with traditional leftists and have progressive social views. Modern conservatives (who often bear little resemblance to the classical conservative tradition) usually do.
All in all, I think you deserve the world's biggest facepalm:
http://pic.phyrefile.com/n/na/narf/2010 ... cepalm.jpg
So how would you define "libertarian" then? I'll weigh in momentarily, but first let's hear from you NSG.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:41 pm
by The Deleted Chris » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:42 pm
Fnordgasm 5 wrote:The Deleted Chris wrote:Well congratulations on winning smug leftist wanker of the thread award.
You really couldn't have just offered a constructive and objective contribution?
Not really, no. It should be perfectly easy for an intelligent person to articulate why they disagree with something without resorting to generalisation, simplification and self-satisfaction.
I'm having a little trouble reconciling these two statements. Care to comment?
by The Deleted Chris » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:43 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The Deleted Chris wrote:
Ashmoria started it, and I merely commented on the opinions of he/she/it.
Mooooom! I didn't start it!
What actually happened is that people stated their personal opinions as asked, and you came in and made generic comments about all people on the left being smug for stating their disagreement with an ideology.
Go to your room and don't come out till you've thought about what you've done.
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