After the failure of capitalism

[The Black Forrest]

Capitalism failing? Nah not really. I will be happy to see hyper-capitalism fail.

[KludgeMUSH]

I do not see how a temporary economic downturn constitutes a "failure of capitalism". Capitalism has never promised that nothing bad would ever happen. This is a simple supply and demand problem: The supply of people exceeds the demand for them. Therefore, the cost of labor should fall. If this value is not sufficient to keep people alive, then the supply of people will also fall as they starve to death, which will result in their value going back up again. It's quite simple. The government, however, is unwilling to accept this, and thus further distorts the simple equation, making the problem worse in the long run. Left to the free market, the problem would have solved itself by now.

[The Black Forrest]

Left to the free market, the problem would have solved itself by now.

A completely free market is impossible.

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As I think of it. How many Starvation deaths do they have in China?

[The Ben Boys]

Capitalism is more of a philosophy, whilst Democracy is a form of government. That's the way I see it, but feel free to correct me.

[JJ Place]

Capitalism will never fall. It may be crushed for a while under the oppressive boot of socialism but sonner or later that always falls, because people want economic liberty.

Capitalism ≠ the free market. Socialism ≠ state socialism.

Yes , all four are. Capitalism and the free market are synonyms, and, even if you don't consider Capitalism and free market synonyms, both economic systems are intertwined within one another. Capitalism cannot exist without a free market , and Free Markets cannot exist without Capitalism. Social needs the State to survive; without a State to keep Socialism alive, people tend to turn to Capitalism rather quickly, and all traces of Socialism in a society lose all vestiges of existence. Socialism might sound such to some as a good economic system, however, true socialism has fallen down in every society, even in minor amounts. No matter which way you look at it, Capitalism, when no government exists, comes to be the economic system of any and all societies .

TLDR ( Too Long; Didn't Read ) : Capitalism is Still, Always Has Been, and Always Will Be Boss.

[Flat Beats]

Oh, so, you're saying freedom is overrated? (in regards to the OP)
Wait, State Capitalism is Nationalistic Socialism... They keep changing the words!
Why is the COMMUNISM so believable? IT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD ON PAPER. Has it worked? Russia. Nazi's, EVEN THOUGH THEY WHERE NOT 'communist' THEY ARE FAR LEFT (Nationalistic Socialists).

Think about it, you're forcing someone to provide a good, a service, a product for what? NOTHING! I would like getting paid for my work so I can donate to the smart scientists, not so communism can donate to the stupid ones that are worthless. Only reason stupid things stay afloat is because of stupid funding.

I admit, I wish the far-left policies worked, they seem like they would!
I'll admit, the far-RIGHT policies are extremely easy to bash, they might not look good on paper, but you're gonna like the way you capitalism, I guarantee it.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Capitalism ≠ the free market. Socialism ≠ state socialism.

Yes , all four are. Capitalism and the free market are synonyms, and, even if you don't consider Capitalism and free market synonyms, both economic systems are intertwined within one another. Capitalism cannot exist without a free market , and Free Markets cannot exist without Capitalism. Social needs the State to survive; without a State to keep Socialism alive, people tend to turn to Capitalism rather quickly, and all traces of Socialism in a society lose all vestiges of existence. Socialism might sound such to some as a good economic system, however, true socialism has fallen down in every society, even in minor amounts. No matter which way you look at it, Capitalism, when no government exists, comes to be the economic system of any and all societies .

TLDR ( Too Long; Didn't Read ) : Capitalism is Still, Always Has Been, and Always Will Be Boss.

lol you don't need a tldr for one paragraph. but it's nice to have i suppose.

[Sucrati]

Oh, so, you're saying freedom is overrated? (in regards to the OP)
Wait, State Capitalism is Nationalistic Socialism... They keep changing the words!
Why is the COMMUNISM so believable? IT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD ON PAPER. Has it worked? Russia. Nazi's, EVEN THOUGH THEY WHERE NOT 'communist' THEY ARE FAR LEFT (Nationalistic Socialists).

Think about it, you're forcing someone to provide a good, a service, a product for what? NOTHING! I would like getting paid for my work so I can donate to the smart scientists, not so communism can donate to the stupid ones that are worthless. Only reason stupid things stay afloat is because of stupid funding.

I admit, I wish the far-left policies worked, they seem like they would!
I'll admit, the far-RIGHT policies are extremely easy to bash, they might not look good on paper, but you're gonna like the way you capitalism, I guarantee it.

National Socialism is on the level of Fascism (A EXTREME Right Wing Political Belief), sorry to burst your bubble but Nazis have nothing to do with actual socialism.

[The Bleeding Roses]

OP doesn't understand capitalism.

People are supposed to fail in capitalism.

End thread.

[Sucrati]

OP doesn't understand capitalism.

People are supposed to fail in capitalism.

End thread.

Yes, In Capitalism, You Earn What You Make By Either Being Successful, If You Aren't Successful, Capitalism Is A System Where You Can Choose Your Career, You Choose What You Train For, Etc...

Socialism: Government tells you your career 'choices', What you can train (Study) for, etc...

[The Bleeding Roses]

OP doesn't understand capitalism.

People are supposed to fail in capitalism.

End thread.

Yes, In Capitalism, You Earn What You Make By Either Being Successful, If You Aren't Successful, Capitalism Is A System Where You Can Choose Your Career, You Choose What You Train For, Etc...

Socialism: Government tells you your career 'choices', What you can train (Study) for, etc...

I think you need to adopt a system of proper capitalization.

[Flat Beats]

Oh, so, you're saying freedom is overrated? (in regards to the OP)
Wait, State Capitalism is Nationalistic Socialism... They keep changing the words!
Why is the COMMUNISM so believable? IT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD ON PAPER. Has it worked? Russia. Nazi's, EVEN THOUGH THEY WHERE NOT 'communist' THEY ARE FAR LEFT (Nationalistic Socialists).

Think about it, you're forcing someone to provide a good, a service, a product for what? NOTHING! I would like getting paid for my work so I can donate to the smart scientists, not so communism can donate to the stupid ones that are worthless. Only reason stupid things stay afloat is because of stupid funding.

I admit, I wish the far-left policies worked, they seem like they would!
I'll admit, the far-RIGHT policies are extremely easy to bash, they might not look good on paper, but you're gonna like the way you capitalism, I guarantee it.

National Socialism is on the level of Fascism (A EXTREME Right Wing Political Belief), sorry to burst your bubble but Nazis have nothing to do with actual socialism.

I don't know why people associate Fascism with the right. Ask a faithful conservative, they'll tell you FACISM is NOT right-wing.

BUT!!! It's semantics, your biased left-wing pundits change the words around again and redefine definitions that people generally accept.

[GeneralHaNor]

The State is an innately tyrannical method of social organization, dependent on violence for its very existence.

And unlike the alternative, Statelessness, it works.

And what's more, it provides a greater degree of actual liberty and comfort than Statelessness.

You are making a quality of life argument, which is wholly inadequate when dealing with concepts like "Right" and "Wrong"
Moral Relativism is intellectual bankrupt in that it's only practical application is to justify every evil act ever done by man to man.

[GeneralHaNor]

I don't think capaitalism has failed us.

I just hope we outgrow it someday.

Into what? Anarchy? You would rather be ruled by a bully or by a Feudal Lord than have capitalism? Really?

I'd rather be not ruled at all, nobody has the moral authority to do so.

Tyrants bleed, remember that.

[Forster Keys]

Yes, In Capitalism, You Earn What You Make By Either Being Successful, If You Aren't Successful, Capitalism Is A System Where You Can Choose Your Career, You Choose What You Train For, Etc...

Socialism: Government tells you your career 'choices', What you can train (Study) for, etc...

I think you need to adopt a system of proper capitalization.

We'll call it Capitalism.

Oh... Wait.

[Tokyoni]

Juche is the way!

The collapse of the globalist capitalist system of exploitation and imperialism is entering its death throes, comrades!

[Sucrati]

National Socialism is on the level of Fascism (A EXTREME Right Wing Political Belief), sorry to burst your bubble but Nazis have nothing to do with actual socialism.

I don't know why people associate Fascism with the right. Ask a faithful conservative, they'll tell you FASCISM is NOT right-wing.

BUT!!! It's semantics, your biased left-wing pundits change the words around again and redefine definitions that people generally accept.

Mhmm, that's why Fascism is the polar opposite of Communism...

And it's right wing, oh, and by the way I am a Conservative.

In politics, Right, right-wing and rightist are generally used to describe support for preserving traditional social orders and hierarchies.The terms Right and Left were coined during the French Revolution, referring to seating arrangements in parliament; those who sat on the right supported preserving the institutions of the Ancien Régime (the monarchy, the aristocracy and the established church).

Use of the term "Right" became more prominent after the second restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 with the Ultra-royalists. Today it is primarily used to refer to political groups that have a historical connection with the traditional Right, including conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, aristocrats, and theocrats. The term is also used to describe those who support free market capitalism, and those who support some forms of nationalism, including fascism.

[GeneralHaNor]

Use of the term "Right" became more prominent after the second restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 with the Ultra-royalists. Today it is primarily used to refer to political groups that have a historical connection with the traditional Right, including conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, aristocrats, and theocrats. The term is also used to describe those who support free market capitalism, and those who support some forms of nationalism, including fascism.

Which frankly makes it wholly inadequate in actually describing political of economic idelogies

What if I'm a Anarchist, Free Market, Mutualist?

Does this make a Left wing Rightist, or a Right wing Leftist?

[Forster Keys]

Juche is the way!

The collapse of the globalist capitalist system of exploitation and imperialism is entering its death throes, comrades!

I wouldn't go quite that far.

[JJ Place]

Yes , all four are. Capitalism and the free market are synonyms, and, even if you don't consider Capitalism and free market synonyms, both economic systems are intertwined within one another. Capitalism cannot exist without a free market , and Free Markets cannot exist without Capitalism. Social needs the State to survive; without a State to keep Socialism alive, people tend to turn to Capitalism rather quickly, and all traces of Socialism in a society lose all vestiges of existence. Socialism might sound such to some as a good economic system, however, true socialism has fallen down in every society, even in minor amounts. No matter which way you look at it, Capitalism, when no government exists, comes to be the economic system of any and all societies .

TLDR ( Too Long; Didn't Read ) : Capitalism is Still, Always Has Been, and Always Will Be Boss.

lol you don't need a tldr for one paragraph. but it's nice to have i suppose.

I like to make sure my opinion is well known. In fact...

[Meryuma]

Use of the term "Right" became more prominent after the second restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 with the Ultra-royalists. Today it is primarily used to refer to political groups that have a historical connection with the traditional Right, including conservatives, reactionaries, monarchists, aristocrats, and theocrats. The term is also used to describe those who support free market capitalism, and those who support some forms of nationalism, including fascism.

Which frankly makes it wholly inadequate in actually describing political of economic idelogies

What if I'm a Anarchist, Free Market, Mutualist?

Does this make a Left wing Rightist, or a Right wing Leftist?

You're not rightist at all. You're free-market socialist, not free-market capitalist, after all.

[Sungai Pusat]

The capitalist experiment that we have been doing in most of the western world is failing on a massive scale, it is not substainable an will at some point have to be replaced by something. This begs two question:

1. What will replace capitalism?
2. Will the current government be able to handle it, or will we see countries collapse as well?

I suspect that we will end up with some form of communism. It is a good system if the failures of the past can be corrected.

Wrong!

Capitalism is not the system the west's living in right now, the west's living in a 'corporatist' government.

[United German Citizens]

The capitalist experiment that we have been doing in most of the western world is failing on a massive scale, it is not substainable an will at some point have to be replaced by something. This begs two question:

1. What will replace capitalism?
2. Will the current government be able to handle it, or will we see countries collapse as well?

I suspect that we will end up with some form of communism. It is a good system if the failures of the past can be corrected.

LOL

Bro do you even do your own research? Capitalism isn't failing. Granted it isn't in at its best but its far from failing.

[Urstania]

When people realise that THIS is the current system we live in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOGq_1710U4

Expect to see and hear about more of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCPEBM5ol0Q

which will eventually evolve into this new system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu8J_UKKa-c

And then music about the revolution will be common
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnwWl_sMrwA

[Arkinesia]

Poverty has stayed level since 1968, when LBJ passed a stupid welfare policy that halted a 20-year reduction in poverty in the US.

Poverty at that is a rather arbitrary line in the sand, I would say as long as you have a roof to sleep under and food to eat your are not "impoverished" that would however mean making the poverty rate near negligible in the United States which would be a great blow to socialist everywhere.

I'm guessing you've never been in an Appalachian mining town before.

People literally starve to death in those places. I am not even kidding. Homelessness is in the higher double digits percent.