After the failure of capitalism

[Fartsniffage]

Really? So I am allowed to rape, murder and steal? How nice! I think I'll just a hold a gun to your head, take all your valuables, and your wife while I'm at it(NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THIS!). In you're world, I would be allowed to.

But you wouldn't want to.

That's the smashing thing.

[Alevuss]

Before, I answer these questions, I'm just going to say that I do not think that Capitalism is going to collapse any time soon. Yes, I can see some cracks in it forming, but none that will cause the ultimate collapse any time soon. These answers only say what I think will happen when and if Capitalism falls.

1. What will replace capitalism?

Socialism. Not Communism, Socialism.

2. Will the current government be able to handle it, or will we see countries collapse as well?

No, I don't think we'll be seeing too many countries collapse. I think most of the current governments will be able to handle. A few may collapse.

[Conserative Morality]

How is that relevant?

The constant fulfillment of your supposedly perfect world runs the risk of building a tolerance to dopamine. You've failed to elaborate on the means, or the results, but have stated that in your world there would be no disagreement past

along the line of two people trying to let each other past on the pavement andaccidentally getting in each others way.

and everyone would wake up and do what they wanted, what they wished for, with no intervening struggle or conflict. Such constant gratification would almost certainly lead to a good degree of dopamine tolerance.

[Conserative Morality]

But you wouldn't want to.

That's the smashing thing.

Why wouldn't he want to?

[New Lusitaniagrad]

Capitalism will never fall. It may be crushed for a while under the oppressive boot of socialism but sonner or later that always falls, because people want economic liberty.

[Mosasauria]

Really? So I am allowed to rape, murder and steal? How nice! I think I'll just a hold a gun to your head, take all your valuables, and your wife while I'm at it(NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THIS!). In you're world, I would be allowed to.

But you wouldn't want to.

That's the smashing thing.

O hell I would. But you would never know. I would love to slack off, take everything from other people, and have sex nearly every night. But I can't.

[Atheists Led by Chris]

The capitalist experiment that we have been doing in most of the western world is failing on a massive scale, it is not substainable an will at some point have to be replaced by something. This begs two question:

1. What will replace capitalism?
2. Will the current government be able to handle it, or will we see countries collapse as well?

I suspect that we will end up with some form of communism. It is a good system if the failures of the past can be corrected.

I think he is talking about the rescission.

You got it wrong however. Capitalism is an economic system. Communism is a political system.

[Mosasauria]

The capitalist experiment that we have been doing in most of the western world is failing on a massive scale, it is not substainable an will at some point have to be replaced by something. This begs two question:

1. What will replace capitalism?
2. Will the current government be able to handle it, or will we see countries collapse as well?

I suspect that we will end up with some form of communism. It is a good system if the failures of the past can be corrected.

I think he is talking about the rescission.

You got it wrong however. Capitalism is an economic system. Communism is a political system.

Yay! Sensible talk!!! Just what I needed!
*Hugs*
Thank you sooo much!

[Qatarab]

Capitalism in the US would last longer if we'd ignore those silly trade laws like China and start to trade with all nations. China seems to be doing quite great economically plus the fact its getting resources from nations which others ban trading with.

[The Merchant Republics]

The capitalist experiment that we have been doing in most of the western world is failing on a massive scale, it is not substainable an will at some point have to be replaced by something. This begs two question:

1. What will replace capitalism?
2. Will the current government be able to handle it, or will we see countries collapse as well?

I suspect that we will end up with some form of communism. It is a good system if the failures of the past can be corrected.

I think he is talking about the rescission.

You got it wrong however. Capitalism is an economic system. Communism is a political system.

Communism is the political system of politicizing the economic system.

Capitalism is the economic system of economizing the political system.

[Mosasauria]

Capitalism in the US would last longer if we'd ignore those silly trade laws like China and start to trade with all nations. China seems to be doing quite great economically plus the fact its getting resources from nations which others ban trading with.

I don't understand, are you for trade with China or against?

[Qatarab]

Capitalism in the US would last longer if we'd ignore those silly trade laws like China and start to trade with all nations. China seems to be doing quite great economically plus the fact its getting resources from nations which others ban trading with.

I don't understand, are you for trade with China or against?

I say the US trades with everyone who wants to trade.

[Daistallia 2104]

I always wonder why everyone seems to assume that either 1) capitalism is the most perfect possible economic system in the face of historical evidence to the contrary or 2) that the only alternative is some form of socialism or communism.

I do not expect capitalism to last nor do I expect it will be replaced by communism or socialism. If I were to predict what it might look like, I'd expect it to be some flat post-scarcity version of a third way system combining elements of bianary economics, distributism, resource based economics, and other stuff. Maybe something like Charles Stross' throw away quote in Singularity Sky regarding "a post-Marxist theory of post-technological political economy" in which "the dictatorship of the hereditary peerage (or capital) can only be maintained by the systematic oppression and exploitation of the workers and engineers, and cannot survive once the people acquire the self-replicating means of production". Of course it's unlikely to look anything like any of that.

[Meryuma]

Capitalism will never fall. It may be crushed for a while under the oppressive boot of socialism but sonner or later that always falls, because people want economic liberty.

Capitalism ≠ the free market. Socialism ≠ state socialism.

[Hydesland]

2) that the only alternative is some form of socialism or communism.

Yeah, I don't get that assumption either.

resource based economics

I've only really heard of resourced based economics from the academic laughing stock, otherwise known as Zeitgeist. Does this actually exist as a discipline? I can't find it on wiki (and I don't mean resource economics, which is different, that merely applies standard economic theory to matters of resource).

[Trotskylvania]

Capitalism is not a moribund system. And even on the eve of the revolution, it won't be a moribund system. It's not capitalism's failures that inspire class conflict, but rather its dynamism. Marx made this quite clear in Capital

[The Merchant Republics]

Capitalism is not a moribund system. And even on the eve of the revolution, it won't be a moribund system. It's not capitalism's failures that inspire class conflict, but rather its dynamism. Marx made this quite clear in Capital

It's good that you would admit that.

[Artandos]

I honestly do not undersand how we'd end up with communism if capitalism failed. If anything, we'd probably come up with something else. Also, not many nations are communist. There are a tad (yes, i was sarcastic with the "tad") more capitalist nations, no? I don't even think capitalism can fail. They are just political ideas, and will be brought back around. You cannot kill off an idea.

[Ceannairceach]

I honestly do not undersand how we'd end up with communism if capitalism failed. If anything, we'd probably come up with something else. Also, not many nations are communist. There are a tad (yes, i was sarcastic with the "tad") more capitalist nations, no? I don't even think capitalism can fail. They are just political ideas, and will be brought back around. You cannot kill off an idea.

You surely can try, though.
And the usual idea of mainstream communists is that if capitalism is to fall, the Workers shall flock to communism to unite the world in the force of labor... Or something like that.

[Arkinesia]

Capitalism has proven itself to not be substainable in America, poverty is on the rise,

Poverty has stayed level since 1968, when LBJ passed a stupid welfare policy that halted a 20-year reduction in poverty in the US.

[The Merchant Republics]

Capitalism has proven itself to not be substainable in America, poverty is on the rise,

Poverty has stayed level since 1968, when LBJ passed a stupid welfare policy that halted a 20-year reduction in poverty in the US.

Poverty at that is a rather arbitrary line in the sand, I would say as long as you have a roof to sleep under and food to eat your are not "impoverished" that would however mean making the poverty rate near negligible in the United States which would be a great blow to socialist everywhere.

[United Dependencies]

Jesus christ people, the economy moves in cycles. A downturn isn't the end of the world nor the end of capitalism. Just a natural part of the economy.

[The Merchant Republics]

Jesus christ people, the economy moves in cycles. A downturn isn't the end of the world nor the end of capitalism. Just a natural part of the economy.

You rational people and your crass avoidance of hyperbole and assumption.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Jesus christ people, the economy moves in cycles. A downturn isn't the end of the world nor the end of capitalism. Just a natural part of the economy.

You rational people and your crass avoidance of hyperbole and assumption.

One day, they will be the death of us all!

[The Merchant Republics]

You rational people and your crass avoidance of hyperbole and assumption.

One day, they will be the death of us all!

As surely as A = Not A