After the failure of capitalism

[Conserative Morality]

Why would there be dopamine? I'd thought better of you CM.

You *do* realize what dopamine is, correct?

[Mosasauria]

I wouldn"t want to be a slave to the same machine I participate in, but under a different name and am forced instead of participate. In capitalism, you have the oppurtunity to shape your future, in your ideal world, the dreary future is shaped for you.

Why is it shaped for you?

You're still missing the most important question. CM has worked it out be is arguing against it because he's a misanthrope, you're just so blinded by the word "communism" that you can't even see it.

I'm not blinded by communism. I've explored the possibilty, even suggested it. But when I look at it from an economic and moralistic perspective, it is horrific.

[Mosasauria]

Then why would they work? Why not just go over to your neighbor and steal everything he has, then kill him so he doesn't fight back? While your at it, why don't you do the same to every other human?

Okay, go back and read all my posts in this thread and start again.

That's what your posts suggest. You should know that is human nature.

[Conserative Morality]

Why is it shaped for you?

You're still missing the most important question. CM has worked it out be is arguing against it because he's a misanthrope, you're just so blinded by the word "communism" that you can't even see it.

I'm a misanthrope? Hardly. I don't hate humanity, I simply like what most consider to be the worst bits of humanity as well as the rest. I actually quite like mankind, but as a whole, not as little parts.

[Fartsniffage]

You *do* realize what dopamine is, correct?

No, explain to me what it is and why it would be needed in the world I would like.

[Mosasauria]

Why would there be dopamine? I'd thought better of you CM.

You *do* realize what dopamine is, correct?

Why, to him, it's just a "get the people to quite whining and get to work!" drug.

[Mosasauria]

Why is it shaped for you?

You're still missing the most important question. CM has worked it out be is arguing against it because he's a misanthrope, you're just so blinded by the word "communism" that you can't even see it.

I'm a misanthrope? Hardly. I don't hate humanity, I simply like what most consider to be the worst bits of humanity as well as the rest. I actually quite like mankind, but as a whole, not as little parts.

Humans were not meant to be perfect. Therefore, I agree.

[Fartsniffage]

That's what your posts suggest. You should know that is human nature.

No they don't. Try again.

[Conserative Morality]

No, explain to me what it is and why it would be needed in the world I would like.

Dopamine is released by the reward centers of the brain. A world such as you described would have the brain constantly, in effect, rewarding itself, and it is possible (If difficult in our less-than-perfect world) to build a tolerance to it.

[Helertia]

After the failure of capatilism no one will really notice, either because they're busy hunting rats, or because we're living in a post-scarcity utopia where robots pleasure us at every oppertunity because they are programmed to enjoy doing so.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm not blinded by communism. I've explored the possibilty, even suggested it. But when I look at it from an economic and moralistic perspective, it is horrific.

Good for you.

I've even posted the most important question to understand where I'm coming from.

[Mosasauria]

You *do* realize what dopamine is, correct?

No, explain to me what it is and why it would be needed in the world I would like.

It's a drug that is often used as an anesthetic, but it knulls the thought process and mildly turns people into obediant zombies. Make it required in your world, and, voila!, it would work, if not for the side effects of dopemine.

[Fartsniffage]

Dopamine is released by the reward centers of the brain. A world such as you described would have the brain constantly, in effect, rewarding itself, and it is possible (If difficult in our less-than-perfect world) to build a tolerance to it.

So you move on.

What's difficult about that?

[Conserative Morality]

It's a drug that is often used as an anesthetic, but it knulls the thought process and mildly turns people into obediant zombies. Make it required in your world, and, voila!, it would work, if not for the side effects of dopemine.

That's...

That's not dopamine.

[Mosasauria]

That's what your posts suggest. You should know that is human nature.

No they don't. Try again.

Actually, they do. Because they don't explain what your world would have to get rid of human nature

[Helertia]

It's a drug that is often used as an anesthetic, but it knulls the thought process and mildly turns people into obediant zombies. Make it required in your world, and, voila!, it would work, if not for the side effects of dopemine.

That's...

That's not dopamine.

Justin Bieber, Dopamine. It's all the same.

[Fartsniffage]

Actually, they do. Because they don't explain what your world would have to get rid of human nature

Yes they do.

They give my opinion of it anyway.

[Conserative Morality]

So you move on.

What's difficult about that?

Reduced effects of dopamine lead to a reduction of motivation. Not happiness, but motivation. Experiments on lab rats have shown that, well, one, researchers don't like lab rats, and that severe reduction in dopamine levels (IE as would happen when one builds a tolerance), the rats will lose the actual motivation to do anything, up to and including eating with their own motor functions.

[Mosasauria]

It's a drug that is often used as an anesthetic, but it knulls the thought process and mildly turns people into obediant zombies. Make it required in your world, and, voila!, it would work, if not for the side effects of dopemine.

That's...

That's not dopamine.

Wrong then, sorry! Must have confused it. Please tell me what I described.

[Conserative Morality]

Wrong then, sorry! Must have confused it. Please tell me what I described.

I'm not sure. Morphine, maybe? I'm not sure about the 'obedient' bit.

[Fartsniffage]

Reduced effects of dopamine lead to a reduction of motivation. Not happiness, but motivation. Experiments on lab rats have shown that, well, one, researchers don't like lab rats, and that severe reduction in dopamine levels (IE as would happen when one builds a tolerance), the rats will lose the actual motivation to do anything, up to and including eating with their own motor functions.

How is that relevant?

[Mosasauria]

Actually, they do. Because they don't explain what your world would have to get rid of human nature

Yes they do.

They give my opinion of it anyway.

Really? So I am allowed to rape, murder and steal? How nice! I think I'll just a hold a gun to your head, take all your valuables, and your wife while I'm at it(NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THIS!). In you're world, I would be allowed to.

[Mosasauria]

Wrong then, sorry! Must have confused it. Please tell me what I described.

I'm not sure. Morphine, maybe? I'm not sure about the 'obedient' bit.

Thanks! Sorry for the confusion.

[Fartsniffage]

I'm not sure. Morphine, maybe? I'm not sure about the 'obedient' bit.

Sodium Pentathol perhaps?

[Mosasauria]

I'm not sure. Morphine, maybe? I'm not sure about the 'obedient' bit.

Sodium Pentathol perhaps?

Maybe.