Birth or not

[Nulono]

There's a chicken inside the egg.


And that totally justifies killing an innocent third party.


The word "child" has multiple definitions, among them "a human being between birth and puberty" ("Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children") and "a son or daughter, and offspring" ("All of my children are now married with children of their own.").

1. What if I killed you before you could say that? What if you didn't see it coming? What if you were asleep or in a coma?
2. Adoption does not happen instantaneously. Until they can find an adoptive family, the infant is a burden.
3. Since when does being a burden mean you have no right to live?


No one has the right to choose to kill another human being.
Are you saying you DO think it was right to kill Native Americans or any other group when they weren't legally persons?

Maybe you should try presenting better arguments.


And that totally justifies killing an innocent third party.


The word "child" has multiple definitions, among them "a human being between birth and puberty" ("Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children") and "a son or daughter, and offspring" ("All of my children are now married with children of their own.").

1. What if I killed you before you could say that? What if you didn't see it coming? What if you were asleep or in a coma?
2. Adoption does not happen instantaneously. Until they can find an adoptive family, the infant is a burden.
3. Since when does being a burden mean you have no right to live?


No one has the right to choose to kill another human being.
I went over this already.
Ah, so killing an innocent human being is okay if it lets you dodge responsibility?

The second one does.

If the mother is going to be, for lack of a better word, tortured without her consent then she has the right to abort. she was there first.

She doesn't have a right to kill an innocent child.

[Dyakovo]

The second one does.

1: a young person of either sex
2: a human offspring (son or daughter) of any age
3: an immature childish person
4: a member of a clan or tribe

LOL, now which one of these describe a fetus?

an unborn or unhatched vertebrate in the later stages of development showing the main recognizable features of the mature animal

[Wesibaden]

It's a child the same way an egg is a chicken. There's a reason vegetarians only eat non-fertilized eggs.

There's a chicken inside the egg.

If someone comes down the street grabs you, violates you, and hurts you that causes permanent and scarring emotional damage.then imagine living in a state of perpetual self loathing at the fetus in your stomach for 9 months, plus lost work and wages that could bankrupt a poor person. That is enough to drive someone insane and ruin their life.

And that totally justifies killing an innocent third party.

Wrong. If it is a fetus it isn't a child. If it is a child it is no longer a fetus.

The word "child" has multiple definitions, among them "a human being between birth and puberty" ("Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children") and "a son or daughter, and offspring" ("All of my children are now married with children of their own.").

Please explain furher.

1. What if I killed you before you could say that? What if you didn't see it coming? What if you were asleep or in a coma?
2. Adoption does not happen instantaneously. Until they can find an adoptive family, the infant is a burden.
3. Since when does being a burden mean you have no right to live?

4chan are a bunch of nerds.................... But anyways i won't vote because its up to them to decide not strangers.


And enough with abortions it is the mothers choice so everyone needs to back off.......

No one has the right to choose to kill another human being.

Uh-huh. Care to show me where I have disregarded legal personhood?

Are you saying you DO think it was right to kill Native Americans or any other group when they weren't legally persons?

Maybe you should try debating with actual people then, rather than carictatures of your opponents that you have built in your head. Honestly, the real world isn't that scary a place.

Maybe you should try presenting better arguments.

If someone comes down the street grabs you, violates you, and hurts you that causes permanent and scarring emotional damage.then imagine living in a state of perpetual self loathing at the fetus in your stomach for 9 months, plus lost work and wages that could bankrupt a poor person. That is enough to drive someone insane and ruin their life.

And that totally justifies killing an innocent third party.

Wrong. If it is a fetus it isn't a child. If it is a child it is no longer a fetus.

The word "child" has multiple definitions, among them "a human being between birth and puberty" ("Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children") and "a son or daughter, and offspring" ("All of my children are now married with children of their own.").

Please explain furher.

1. What if I killed you before you could say that? What if you didn't see it coming? What if you were asleep or in a coma?
2. Adoption does not happen instantaneously. Until they can find an adoptive family, the infant is a burden.
3. Since when does being a burden mean you have no right to live?

4chan are a bunch of nerds.................... But anyways i won't vote because its up to them to decide not strangers.


And enough with abortions it is the mothers choice so everyone needs to back off.......

No one has the right to choose to kill another human being.

It's a child the same way an egg is a chicken. There's a reason vegetarians only eat non-fertilized eggs.

I went over this already.

So a man can have sex without any consequences, but a women have to give birth (a wery painfull event) to a baby?

Ah, so killing an innocent human being is okay if it lets you dodge responsibility?

And none of them describe a fetus.

The second one does.

Wrong NO ONE has the RIGHT to tell the mother what to do.

[Dyakovo]

You want to zap him, don't you?

Yes.

If its real, so do I.

[Wesibaden]

If the mother is going to be, for lack of a better word, tortured without her consent then she has the right to abort. she was there first.

She doesn't have a right to kill an innocent child.

Well i'm sorry but you do not have the right to tell the mother what to do with the fetus since it isn't a child.

[Dyakovo]

If the mother is going to be, for lack of a better word, tortured without her consent then she has the right to abort. she was there first.

She doesn't have a right to kill an innocent child.

Good thing then that an abortion does not kill a child (innocent or not) then...

[Umbagar]

Can you point out when I said I'm against having sex for fun? Have you heard of condoms? Very useful objects are they. Child support goes to the woman that they made pregnant to support her and the child.

What if you think sex is better without codoms? And why not just say that the one responsible for the child is the one who can afford to pay for it, instead of child support.

You can't always get what you want. Condoms are accepted by the majority of people and if you want to go bareback you should accept the consequences. Stifling somebody's opportunity for life just because you wanted to have a little more fun is not acceptable. And what if the mother wants to keep the child but doesn't have the financial resources. The father either pays child support or lives with her. either way it's a win win.

[Nulono]

LOL, now which one of these describe a fetus?

Number 2.

There's a chicken inside the egg.


And that totally justifies killing an innocent third party.


The word "child" has multiple definitions, among them "a human being between birth and puberty" ("Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children") and "a son or daughter, and offspring" ("All of my children are now married with children of their own.").

1. What if I killed you before you could say that? What if you didn't see it coming? What if you were asleep or in a coma?
2. Adoption does not happen instantaneously. Until they can find an adoptive family, the infant is a burden.
3. Since when does being a burden mean you have no right to live?


No one has the right to choose to kill another human being.
Are you saying you DO think it was right to kill Native Americans or any other group when they weren't legally persons?

Maybe you should try presenting better arguments.


And that totally justifies killing an innocent third party.


The word "child" has multiple definitions, among them "a human being between birth and puberty" ("Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children") and "a son or daughter, and offspring" ("All of my children are now married with children of their own.").

1. What if I killed you before you could say that? What if you didn't see it coming? What if you were asleep or in a coma?
2. Adoption does not happen instantaneously. Until they can find an adoptive family, the infant is a burden.
3. Since when does being a burden mean you have no right to live?


No one has the right to choose to kill another human being.
I went over this already.
Ah, so killing an innocent human being is okay if it lets you dodge responsibility?

The second one does.

Wrong NO ONE has the RIGHT to tell the mother what to do.

Wrong. If one person wants to kill another person, we have every right to tell them not to.

[Nulono]

What if you think sex is better without codoms? And why not just say that the one responsible for the child is the one who can afford to pay for it, instead of child support.

You can't always get what you want. Condoms are accepted by the majority of people and if you want to go bareback you should accept the consequences. Stifling somebody's opportunity for life just because you wanted to have a little more fun is not acceptable. And what if the mother wants to keep the child but doesn't have the financial resources. The father either pays child support or lives with her. either way it's a win win.

Abortion ends someone's extant life.

[Umbagar]

If the mother is going to be, for lack of a better word, tortured without her consent then she has the right to abort. she was there first.

She doesn't have a right to kill an innocent child.

the mother was there first, she was harmed, and the fetus is hers. If it is her choice to abort it to avoid anguish she is allowed to. It is HERS.

[Wesibaden]

Number 2.

Wrong NO ONE has the RIGHT to tell the mother what to do.

Wrong. If one person wants to kill another person, we have every right to tell them not to.

you said person and there is no person and yet again NO RIGHT for you.

[Dyakovo]

Number 2.

Sorry, but as usual you are wrong.

the immediate descendants of a person

To be an "offspring" you have to have been born. A fetus has not been born.

It would really help if you actually learned what words meant rather than choosing them at random/for emotional effect.

[Fartsniffage]

Abortion ends someone's extant life.

Tautologies are tautological.

[Arilando]

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If I killed you painlessly, would that be okay? What if I killed someone with congenital insensitivity to pain?

It would not be okay if i said i did not want to be killed


2. The infant can't be adopted until you find an adoptive family. The fetus can't be adopted until birth. What does being able to be adopted have to do with the right to not be killed?

A fetus is a burden on the mother, a adopted infant is not

Abortion has a 100% chance of death.
Please explain furher.. What if I killed you before you could say that? What if you didn't see it coming? What if you were asleep or in a coma?
2. Adoption does not happen instantaneously. Until they can find an adoptive family, the infant is a burden.
3. Since when does being a burden mean you have no right to live?

1. Than you have no right to kill me, but it is not a valid comparrasion
2. In my country we have government funded nursing homes
3. What? Since when did you even have a right to live, there is still the death penalty in some parts of the world

At some point a fetus is still a child. I believe that you get 1 choice in whether or not to have a baby, which is when you decide to have sex. Killing off things that will be children on a whim is immoral in my opinion.
So a man can have sex without any consequences, but a women have to give birth (a wery painfull event) to a baby?

Ah, so killing an innocent human being is okay if it lets you dodge responsibility?

Depends on the circumstances

[Nulono]

She doesn't have a right to kill an innocent child.

the mother was there first, she was harmed, and the fetus is hers. If it is her choice to abort it to avoid anguish she is allowed to. It is HERS.

The fetus may be "hers" as in it is her child, but it is not "hers" as property. My mother does not have the right to kill me just because she's older.

[Dyakovo]

You can't always get what you want. Condoms are accepted by the majority of people and if you want to go bareback you should accept the consequences. Stifling somebody's opportunity for life just because you wanted to have a little more fun is not acceptable. And what if the mother wants to keep the child but doesn't have the financial resources. The father either pays child support or lives with her. either way it's a win win.

Abortion ends someone's extant life.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Fartsniffage]

The fetus may be "hers" as in it is her child, but it is not "hers" as property. My mother does not have the right to kill me just because she's older.

But she does have the right to kick you out of the house.

[Dyakovo]

the mother was there first, she was harmed, and the fetus is hers. If it is her choice to abort it to avoid anguish she is allowed to. It is HERS.

The fetus may be "hers" as in it is her child, but it is not "hers" as property. My mother does not have the right to kill me just because she's older.

It isn't her child. A fetus is not a child.

[Wiztopia]

I personally voted for them to have the child because I do not want an abortion on my conscience. Please share your opinions, but be civil.

I voted have the abortion because of comments like this and these on their site:

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jj
November 18th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

Only criminals make the choice to murder another human being.
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Lauren
November 18th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

you guys are fucking sick.

[Wesibaden]

The fetus may be "hers" as in it is her child, but it is not "hers" as property. My mother does not have the right to kill me just because she's older.

But she does have the right to kick you out of the house.

^ This LOL Kick the kid out to the curb made me flipping laugh my ass off.

[Umbagar]

the mother was there first, she was harmed, and the fetus is hers. If it is her choice to abort it to avoid anguish she is allowed to. It is HERS.

The fetus may be "hers" as in it is her child, but it is not "hers" as property. My mother does not have the right to kill me just because she's older.

No, she doesn't have that right because she decided to have sex with your dad to have you, which forfeited her right to abort you.

If you are raped however, you don't get to make the choice on whether to fertilize and egg. You therefore have the freedom of choice to rectify the situation by having an abortion which would make your biological situation the same as before you were raped.

[Wesibaden]

The fetus may be "hers" as in it is her child, but it is not "hers" as property. My mother does not have the right to kill me just because she's older.

No, she doesn't have that right because she decided to have sex with your dad to have you, which forfeited her right to abort you.

If you are raped however, you don't get to make the choice on whether to fertilize and egg. You therefore have the freedom of choice to rectify the situation by having an abortion which would make your biological situation the same as before you were raped.

Maby they had sex and it was a mistake condom broke / failed.


But i'm all for It is the mothers choice only and all others should butt out.

[Umbagar]

No, she doesn't have that right because she decided to have sex with your dad to have you, which forfeited her right to abort you.

If you are raped however, you don't get to make the choice on whether to fertilize and egg. You therefore have the freedom of choice to rectify the situation by having an abortion which would make your biological situation the same as before you were raped.

Maby they had sex and it was a mistake condom broke / failed.


But i'm all for It is the mothers choice only and all others should butt out.

that must have been some rough sex

[Wesibaden]

Maby they had sex and it was a mistake condom broke / failed.


But i'm all for It is the mothers choice only and all others should butt out.

that must have been some rough sex

The only good kind of sex xD LOL

[Nulono]

Number 2.

Sorry, but as usual you are wrong.

the immediate descendants of a person

To be an "offspring" you have to have been born. A fetus has not been born.

It would really help if you actually learned what words meant rather than choosing them at random/for emotional effect.

I did learn. Nowhere in that definition was birth mentioned. Take a high school biology course and get back to me.

Number 2.



Wrong. If one person wants to kill another person, we have every right to tell them not to.

you said person and there is no person and yet again NO RIGHT for you.

There is too a person.

Abortion ends someone's extant life.

Tautologies are tautological.

I was responding to the claim that abortion denied the child "a chance at life".

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If I killed you painlessly, would that be okay? What if I killed someone with congenital insensitivity to pain?

It would not be okay if i said i did not want to be killed


2. The infant can't be adopted until you find an adoptive family. The fetus can't be adopted until birth. What does being able to be adopted have to do with the right to not be killed?

A fetus is a burden on the mother, a adopted infant is not

Abortion has a 100% chance of death.
Please explain furher.. What if I killed you before you could say that? What if you didn't see it coming? What if you were asleep or in a coma?
2. Adoption does not happen instantaneously. Until they can find an adoptive family, the infant is a burden.
3. Since when does being a burden mean you have no right to live?

1. Than you have no right to kill me, but it is not a valid comparrasion
2. In my country we have government funded nursing homes
3. What? Since when did you even have a right to live, there is still the death penalty in some parts of the world

Ah, so killing an innocent human being is okay if it lets you dodge responsibility?

Depends on the circumstances

1. Why don't I have a right to kill you?
2. What if she doesn't live in your country?
3. So? There's still slavery in some parts of the world. What's your point?
4. Y'see, that's where we disagree. It's never okay to kill someone to avoid responsibility.

Abortion ends someone's extant life.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

ex·tant: (esp. of a document) Still in existence; surviving

The fetus may be "hers" as in it is her child, but it is not "hers" as property. My mother does not have the right to kill me just because she's older.

But she does have the right to kick you out of the house.

1. She actually doesn't.
2. She still has no right to kill me, which is the point I was making.

I personally voted for them to have the child because I do not want an abortion on my conscience. Please share your opinions, but be civil.

I voted have the abortion because of comments like this and these on their site:

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jj
November 18th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

Only criminals make the choice to murder another human being.
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Lauren
November 18th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

you guys are fucking sick.

You're the one who told a couple to kill a fellow human being because, surprise!, not everyone on the Internet is nice.

The fetus may be "hers" as in it is her child, but it is not "hers" as property. My mother does not have the right to kill me just because she's older.

No, she doesn't have that right because she decided to have sex with your dad to have you, which forfeited her right to abort you.

If you are raped however, you don't get to make the choice on whether to fertilize and egg. You therefore have the freedom of choice to rectify the situation by having an abortion which would make your biological situation the same as before you were raped.

The unborn child is still innocent, and should not be killed.

No, she doesn't have that right because she decided to have sex with your dad to have you, which forfeited her right to abort you.

If you are raped however, you don't get to make the choice on whether to fertilize and egg. You therefore have the freedom of choice to rectify the situation by having an abortion which would make your biological situation the same as before you were raped.

Maby they had sex and it was a mistake condom broke / failed.


But i'm all for It is the mothers choice only and all others should butt out.

A mother has no right to kill her offspring.