Birth or not

[Nulono]

I voted for birth, but the main issue for me is how damned frivolous it is for them to throw the potential future of their unborn child to the mercy of the internet and specifically 4chan. How stupid can they be? What do they think the effect will be on the child when he inevitably finds out that mummy and daddy put his life up to public vote, and that in doing so they ran quite close to being vote-bombed into nipping his existence in the bud? What would happen then when he finds out what grisly procedures they use for abortions at that point during pregnancy? In fact, this is so frivolous I'm almost certain that it's a hoax- if not, then I sincerely hope the child ends up getting adopted.

This is a big concern I have. I can't imagine how I would feel if I found out my parents put my life or death in the hands of /b/.

[Ashmoria]

I voted for birth, but the main issue for me is how damned frivolous it is for them to throw the potential future of their unborn child to the mercy of the internet and specifically 4chan. How stupid can they be? What do they think the effect will be on the child when he inevitably finds out that mummy and daddy put his life up to public vote, and that in doing so they ran quite close to being vote-bombed into nipping his existence in the bud? What would happen then when he finds out what grisly procedures they use for abortions at that point during pregnancy? In fact, this is so frivolous I'm almost certain that it's a hoax- if not, then I sincerely hope the child ends up getting adopted.

if they are already at 16 weeks when are they going to decide? there is a legal limit and they are already far past the moral limit.

[Wiztopia]

You're the one who told a couple to kill a fellow human being because, surprise!, not everyone on the Internet is nice.

What child? It's a fetus until its born. Before it becomes a fetus it is a zygote.

I've been over this already.[/quote]

Then show me where you've been proven wrong.

[Fartsniffage]

You're changing the topic. Are you admitting abortion is killing?

Oh yes, it is killing according to several definitions of the word. However it isn't murder nor is it killing in the sense of depriving a human of life.

Now back to my original question, are you a fruitarian? If not why not, given your obvious disapproval of killing?

[Nulono]

I voted for birth, but the main issue for me is how damned frivolous it is for them to throw the potential future of their unborn child to the mercy of the internet and specifically 4chan. How stupid can they be? What do they think the effect will be on the child when he inevitably finds out that mummy and daddy put his life up to public vote, and that in doing so they ran quite close to being vote-bombed into nipping his existence in the bud? What would happen then when he finds out what grisly procedures they use for abortions at that point during pregnancy? In fact, this is so frivolous I'm almost certain that it's a hoax- if not, then I sincerely hope the child ends up getting adopted.

if they are already at 16 weeks when are they going to decide? there is a legal limit and they are already far past the moral limit.

The poll closes in December because of the legal limit.

What child? It's a fetus until its born. Before it becomes a fetus it is a zygote.

I've been over this already.

Then show me where you've been proven wrong.[/quote]What?
YOU were proven wrong by definition #2.

[Fartsniffage]

if they are already at 16 weeks when are they going to decide? there is a legal limit and they are already far past the moral limit.

There is a moral limit?

[Nulono]

You're changing the topic. Are you admitting abortion is killing?

Oh yes, it is killing according to several definitions of the word. However it isn't murder nor is it killing in the sense of depriving a human of life.

Now back to my original question, are you a fruitarian? If not why not, given your obvious disapproval of killing?

Really? A human fetus isn't a human?

[Wiztopia]

if they are already at 16 weeks when are they going to decide? there is a legal limit and they are already far past the moral limit.

There is a moral limit?

Exactly what I was going to ask. How is 16 weeks past the moral limit?

[Nulono]

There is a moral limit?

Exactly what I was going to ask. How is 16 weeks past the moral limit?

About 16 weeks past the moral limit.

[Lauchlin]

Abortions for everyone!

Some of the things posted in this thread are so absurd and obviously conceived just to get a rise out of people that I don't know how the thread hasn't been locked for the massive trolling.

[Wesibaden]

I voted for birth, but the main issue for me is how damned frivolous it is for them to throw the potential future of their unborn child to the mercy of the internet and specifically 4chan. How stupid can they be? What do they think the effect will be on the child when he inevitably finds out that mummy and daddy put his life up to public vote, and that in doing so they ran quite close to being vote-bombed into nipping his existence in the bud? What would happen then when he finds out what grisly procedures they use for abortions at that point during pregnancy? In fact, this is so frivolous I'm almost certain that it's a hoax- if not, then I sincerely hope the child ends up getting adopted.

They prolly never heard of 4chan before i myself never heard of it till about 5 weeks ago...... and i wish i never ever EVER heard of them.

[Ashmoria]

if they are already at 16 weeks when are they going to decide? there is a legal limit and they are already far past the moral limit.

There is a moral limit?

sure is

if you know you are pregnant at .... 6 weeks then it is unconscionable to delay past ....10 weeks to get an abortion. waiting until 20 weeks is beyond sick--and is its own punishment because a 20 week abortion is horrible.

[Fartsniffage]

Really? A human fetus isn't a human?

I'd say not to be honest.

[Umbagar]

You can't apply the word innocent to something that can't make choices. Also, I've noticed that you dropped the point of abortion when the mother or fetus is in danger. does that mean you support abortion in that sense?

Can an infant be innocent?
The physician should try to save as many lives as possible.

An infant can be colloqially known as innocent if it is discovered, for example, that it was the family pet that broke a vase and not him. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread.

And in the definition of life is where the differences lie. Is true human life begun at conception, when it has a heart, when it is self-suficient, when it is endowed with life by it's parents or some other definition? By your definition it is conception, by mine it is when a parent performs an action that endows it with the ability to live, by Dyakovo's it is when the fetus is born.

[SaintB]

You know; if men gave birth abortion wouldn't even be an issue... it would be the accepted norm.

[Lauchlin]

You know; if men gave birth abortion wouldn't even be an issue... it would be the accepted norm.

Obviously.

[Fartsniffage]

sure is

if you know you are pregnant at .... 6 weeks then it is unconscionable to delay past ....10 weeks to get an abortion. waiting until 20 weeks is beyond sick--and is its own punishment because a 20 week abortion is horrible.

Or perhaps indicative of the difficulty of the decision for this couple.

Something this internet poll seems to support.

[Umbagar]

Abortions for everyone!

Some of the things posted in this thread are so absurd and obviously conceived just to get a rise out of people that I don't know how the thread hasn't been locked for the massive trolling.

I've found pretty much everything to be reasonable. what would you say is trolling in this thread?

[Nulono]

Can an infant be innocent?
The physician should try to save as many lives as possible.

An infant can be colloqially known as innocent if it is discovered, for example, that it was the family pet that broke a vase and not him. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread.

And in the definition of life is where the differences lie. Is true human life begun at conception, when it has a heart, when it is self-suficient, when it is endowed with life by it's parents or some other definition? By your definition it is conception, by mine it is when a parent performs an action that endows it with the ability to live, by Dyakovo's it is when the fetus is born.

1. Biologically, life begins at conception in sexual reproduction.
2. Define "an action that endows it with the ability to live".

Really? A human fetus isn't a human?

I'd say not to be honest.

Really? What species is the embryo with human DNA and human parents?

[Nulono]

You know; if men gave birth abortion wouldn't even be an issue... it would be the accepted norm.

Source?

[Fartsniffage]

Really? What species is the embryo with human DNA and human parents?

Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

Not sure what that has to do with it though.

[Angleter]

I voted for birth, but the main issue for me is how damned frivolous it is for them to throw the potential future of their unborn child to the mercy of the internet and specifically 4chan. How stupid can they be? What do they think the effect will be on the child when he inevitably finds out that mummy and daddy put his life up to public vote, and that in doing so they ran quite close to being vote-bombed into nipping his existence in the bud? What would happen then when he finds out what grisly procedures they use for abortions at that point during pregnancy? In fact, this is so frivolous I'm almost certain that it's a hoax- if not, then I sincerely hope the child ends up getting adopted.

if they are already at 16 weeks when are they going to decide? there is a legal limit and they are already far past the moral limit.

According to the site, when the poll closes on 7th December. Two days before the legal limit. So I assume that little Wulfric will be scared shitless at finding out that his parents wilfully gave 4chan the chance to condemn his unborn body to being dismembered (but don't worry- Wiki says he may be killed before the dismemberment) and removed from mommy's womb, ending his life before it even began. I'm not sure whether there's a better way to create a genocidal megalomaniac. Especially since he'll probably hit upon internet talking heads such as yours truly commenting on how they think he'll end up a genocidal megalomaniac and how his parents are stupid bastards.

I assume, given the ultrasounds, that this could well be a pro-life hoax.

[Umbagar]

An infant can be colloqially known as innocent if it is discovered, for example, that it was the family pet that broke a vase and not him. I'm not sure what this has to do with the thread.

And in the definition of life is where the differences lie. Is true human life begun at conception, when it has a heart, when it is self-suficient, when it is endowed with life by it's parents or some other definition? By your definition it is conception, by mine it is when a parent performs an action that endows it with the ability to live, by Dyakovo's it is when the fetus is born.

1. Biologically, life begins at conception in sexual reproduction.
2. Define "an action that endows it with the ability to live".

1. I didn't say biological life, I said human life. i.e. when they are recognized as being a human.
2. Consensual sex is an action that endows it with the ability to live. However, because of mitigating circumstances such as forced sex and possible birthing complications, this is not the same thing as life at conception.

[Nulono]

if they are already at 16 weeks when are they going to decide? there is a legal limit and they are already far past the moral limit.

According to the site, when the poll closes on 7th December. Two days before the legal limit. So I assume that little Wulfric will be scared shitless at finding out that his parents wilfully gave 4chan the chance to condemn his unborn body to being dismembered (but don't worry- Wiki says he may be killed before the dismemberment) and removed from mommy's womb, ending his life before it even began. I'm not sure whether there's a better way to create a genocidal megalomaniac. Especially since he'll probably hit upon internet talking heads such as yours truly commenting on how they think he'll end up a genocidal megalomaniac and how his parents are stupid bastards.

I assume, given the ultrasounds, that this could well be a pro-life hoax.

His life has already begun.

Really? What species is the embryo with human DNA and human parents?

Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

Not sure what that has to do with it though.

Homo sapiens = human

[Wiztopia]

Exactly what I was going to ask. How is 16 weeks past the moral limit?

About 16 weeks past the moral limit.

I now support abortions up to the day the fetus us born.

There is a moral limit?

sure is

if you know you are pregnant at .... 6 weeks then it is unconscionable to delay past ....10 weeks to get an abortion. waiting until 20 weeks is beyond sick--and is its own punishment because a 20 week abortion is horrible.

Are you kidding me? 6 weeks is barely more than a month.