Legal Right to die

[Vecherd]

I think you should be allowed if you have a illness like cancer or something like that but it shouldnt be able for everyone.

Doctor: Hello Mr. Johnson what can I do for you today?.
Mr. Johnson: I would like to die.
Doctor: Alright do you want a bullet to the head or the neck?.
Mr: Johnson: Hmm... head.
*gunshot*

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

I'm pro-euthanasia including situations of severely treatment resistant depression.

[Norstal]

I'm pro-euthanasia including situations of severely treatment resistant depression.

So if I told you to go die and induce you into a depressive state, you should be able to kill yourself?

My, what an excellent world I live in. I'll go get my megaphone.

[Fartsniffage]

So if I told you to go die and induce you into a depressive state, you should be able to kill yourself?

My, what an excellent world I live in. I'll go get my megaphone.

Umm, I'm pretty sure that you can kill yourself. People seem to manage it all the time.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

I'm pro-euthanasia including situations of severely treatment resistant depression.

So if I told you to go die and induce you into a depressive state, you should be able to kill yourself?

My, what an excellent world I live in. I'll go get my megaphone.

You're not big on the reading front are you. Severe "treatment resistant" depression. Treatment in such a case would be to tell you to shut the fuck up / lock you up.

Or..........so if you get terminal cancer you can off yourself? Fine i'll go get the asbestos

[Mo Celestial Bodies]

I feel it should be a process, but in the end I think it should be allowed.

So none of those booths they have from Futurama?

[Serpensa]

So if I told you to go die and induce you into a depressive state, you should be able to kill yourself?

My, what an excellent world I live in. I'll go get my megaphone.

Umm, I'm pretty sure that you can kill yourself. People seem to manage it all the time.

Exactly. It's going to happen, and rather than condemn it, we should try to prevent it. And in the end, if we cant, we should make it as comfortable as possible. I also believe that if someone doesn't want to try and get better, they should also be allowed to die. If you don't have the willpower to get better, that's almost exactly like not being able to. If someone wants to die, we should let them. It's their life.

[Eireann Fae]

Umm, I'm pretty sure that you can kill yourself. People seem to manage it all the time.

Exactly. It's going to happen, and rather than condemn it, we should try to prevent it. And in the end, if we cant, we should make it as comfortable as possible. I also believe that if someone doesn't want to try and get better, they should also be allowed to die. If you don't have the willpower to get better, that's almost exactly like not being able to. If someone wants to die, we should let them. It's their life.

This. Someone with no will to live will probably lack the will to do a lot of things, including work, or obey the law, etc. They'd probably be a drain on welfare/prison systems, and not contribute much to anybody (themselves or society at large). I say let 'em ghost themselves.

[Galloism]

I'm pro-euthanasia including situations of severely treatment resistant depression.

So if I told you to go die and induce you into a depressive state, you should be able to kill yourself?

My, what an excellent world I live in. I'll go get my megaphone.

I think you missed the part about "severely treatment resistant" depression. For some, the therapy doesn't work, drugs don't work, cocktails don't work, and changing their lives has failed to work. There is no treatment left.

People often support voluntary euthenasia for advanced cancers where all treatments have failed, but why not depression?

[Serpensa]

Exactly. It's going to happen, and rather than condemn it, we should try to prevent it. And in the end, if we cant, we should make it as comfortable as possible. I also believe that if someone doesn't want to try and get better, they should also be allowed to die. If you don't have the willpower to get better, that's almost exactly like not being able to. If someone wants to die, we should let them. It's their life.

This. Someone with no will to live will probably lack the will to do a lot of things, including work, or obey the law, etc. They'd probably be a drain on welfare/prison systems, and not contribute much to anybody (themselves or society at large). I say let 'em ghost themselves.

They do - the point is, it shouldn't be so painful. For god sakes, most of these people have suffered enough already, and if they haven't, they damn well will once they express their feelings. I should know. But I got through it - which confuses me sometimes on my ideals, but I still maintain they should be allowed kill themselves.

[Norstal]

So if I told you to go die and induce you into a depressive state, you should be able to kill yourself?

My, what an excellent world I live in. I'll go get my megaphone.

I think you missed the part about "severely treatment resistant" depression. For some, the therapy doesn't work, drugs don't work, cocktails don't work, and changing their lives has failed to work. There is no treatment left.

People often support voluntary euthenasia for advanced cancers where all treatments have failed, but why not depression?

But they said that the treatment would consist of telling the patient to shut the fuck up/lock them up. Well of course that's not gonna work.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

But they said that the treatment would consist of telling the patient to shut the fuck up/lock them up. Well of course that's not gonna work.

No telling YOU the wierdo with the megaphone to shut the fuck up

[Galloism]

I think you missed the part about "severely treatment resistant" depression. For some, the therapy doesn't work, drugs don't work, cocktails don't work, and changing their lives has failed to work. There is no treatment left.

People often support voluntary euthenasia for advanced cancers where all treatments have failed, but why not depression?

But they said that the treatment would consist of telling the patient to shut the fuck up/lock them up. Well of course that's not gonna work.

The treatments already consist of counseling, situation adjustment, drugs (and drug cocktails), and asylum. For many, none of these avenues work. They are still suffering.

If they are not allowed to die, what would you have them do? Would you sit there and make them suffer against their will?

That's monstrous.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Should people have the right to end their own life. If so why, and what reasons. If not please explain.

I personally feel like if you don't want to be alive you shouldn't have to be here.

If that is the only solution they see, yes. People should be allow to end their own lives.

Pain, mental pain is very real and overwhelming, and for some, it gets so bad that the only way to stop it is to die. So allow them to go, with dignity.

[Galloism]

This. Someone with no will to live will probably lack the will to do a lot of things, including work, or obey the law, etc. They'd probably be a drain on welfare/prison systems, and not contribute much to anybody (themselves or society at large). I say let 'em ghost themselves.

They do - the point is, it shouldn't be so painful. For god sakes, most of these people have suffered enough already, and if they haven't, they damn well will once they express their feelings. I should know. But I got through it - which confuses me sometimes on my ideals, but I still maintain they should be allowed kill themselves.

This is another interesting point. If a person really wants to kill themselves, they will, but most substances that make it quick and painless are restricted, if not outright banned.

This group of people is already suffering, but we insist on making them suffer more in order to relieve their suffering, when it's totally unnecessary.

Again, monstrous.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

They do - the point is, it shouldn't be so painful. For god sakes, most of these people have suffered enough already, and if they haven't, they damn well will once they express their feelings. I should know. But I got through it - which confuses me sometimes on my ideals, but I still maintain they should be allowed kill themselves.

This is another interesting point. If a person really wants to kill themselves, they will, but most substances that make it quick and painless are restricted, if not outright banned.

This group of people is already suffering, but we insist on making them suffer more in order to relieve their suffering, when it's totally unnecessary.

Again, monstrous.

You are only and strictly referring to those suffering from depression. What about the people around them? Depression not only affects the sufferer of it but it also affects family (parents, spouse, children) and friends. What about them?

[Theodstan]

Questioning someone's legal right to commit suicide is pretty pointless, as there are no repercussions. For example, if I kill myself, I couldn't care less if I were to get multiple life sentences as a punishment. For the individual, they need nothing more than freewill to take that step, and don't need the green light of legislation.

For those too feeble to actually manage to kill themselves, the state should not oblige them. This is a medical issue, and the tradition of medical practice, worldwide, to which practitioners take the Hippocratic Oath, is to cure or treat conditions. Medicine has not, and should never, be concerned with making the decision on when life ends. Under medical care, life ends as a result of all possible cures or treatment, within feasible paramaters, being exhausted. Life ends when the medic is no longer able to treat them. The medical practitioner does not end life, nor make a decision to end life as a matter of discretion based on mercy, pragmatics or lack of effort.

For those requiring assistance, the party responsible for assisting with the suicide should consider whether they themselves are in a better position than a certified medical practitioner to make a sound judgement about either the person's physical condition or mental condition. In the vast majority of cases, it would appear they would not be qualified to do so.

For those who would still persist in demanding that this should be, if only for ideological reasons, recognised legally, then they should also be aware that legislation that guarantees the individual's right to suicide would be above and beyond medical assessment. However, if medical assessment were to be the rubber stamp as to an individual's appropriateness for making that final decision, it would still be reliant on medical practice to decide when someone should die.

The sanctity of life, laws protecting that, and the ancient tradition of medical practice curing and treating it should be upheld before any peice of legislation that grants people rights. In this case, we don't need such rights, just our own conscience and freewill. Our liberty is granted by the laws we uphold, not the selfish demands of individuals, no matter how bad their suffering.

[Bottle]

In cases of terminal or chronic illness, it's a no-brainer to me: of COURSE everyone should have the right to end their own suffering.

In cases of depression or mental illness, it gets more murky for me. For instance, during a particularly bad bout of drug abuse, I became (briefly) suicidal. I'm very glad that I didn't die. I'm glad my friends prevented me from acting on my suicidal impulses. I know other people who have been suicidal and later were glad that they did not succeed in killing themselves.

But I also have known people who were so determined to die that they continued attempting suicide for (in one case) 10 years. I have known people who genuinely did not experience happiness...the best they got was "not actively trying to kill myself this minute." That kind of pain is every bit as real as any other sort of pain. Their suffering isn't any less real or valid because it's mental. All pain is in the brain, as they say, so what does it matter if the painful stimulus is physical or mental?

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

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[Eireann Fae]

This. Someone with no will to live will probably lack the will to do a lot of things, including work, or obey the law, etc. They'd probably be a drain on welfare/prison systems, and not contribute much to anybody (themselves or society at large). I say let 'em ghost themselves.

They do - the point is, it shouldn't be so painful. For god sakes, most of these people have suffered enough already, and if they haven't, they damn well will once they express their feelings. I should know. But I got through it - which confuses me sometimes on my ideals, but I still maintain they should be allowed kill themselves.

I meant ghost themselves quickly, cleanly, painlessly, and legally. If they're gonna go out, don't make them do it by swallowing some lead aspirin. That's a horrible mess someone else has to clean up anyway. Let them die with dignity.

[Galloism]

This is another interesting point. If a person really wants to kill themselves, they will, but most substances that make it quick and painless are restricted, if not outright banned.

This group of people is already suffering, but we insist on making them suffer more in order to relieve their suffering, when it's totally unnecessary.

Again, monstrous.

You are only and strictly referring to those suffering from depression. What about the people around them? Depression not only affects the sufferer of it but it also affects family (parents, spouse, children) and friends. What about them?

A tragic consequence of any suicide. I have no experience, of course, with either, but suicide is a fact of life. Last I checked, no one holds a claim over another's body or life in free countries.

However, with regard to loved ones, would you rather go with them and be there in their final content and peaceful moments, or come home to someone with their head missing and a 6-foot diameter blood spot on the wall behind the body?

[ZellDincht]

If the person wishes to not be here, they should not have to be here. Some may consider this weak, while some may consider this honorary. (Samurai)

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You are only and strictly referring to those suffering from depression. What about the people around them? Depression not only affects the sufferer of it but it also affects family (parents, spouse, children) and friends. What about them?

A tragic consequence of any suicide. I have no experience, of course, with either, but suicide is a fact of life. Last I checked, no one holds a claim over another's body or life in free countries.

However, with regard to loved ones, would you rather go with them and be there in their final content and peaceful moments, or come home to someone with their head missing and a 6-foot diameter blood spot on the wall behind the body?

If you want me to be honest, about the assisted suicide or not of a loved one, I would rather they didn't die. However, I recognize that mental pain is very real and that sometimes, the only way to make it stop is to end it, check out, kill yourself. But I would rather they didn't die. If they choose to, then that is a decision I must respect.

[Eireann Fae]

For those too feeble to actually manage to kill themselves, the state should not oblige them. This is a medical issue, and the tradition of medical practice, worldwide, to which practitioners take the Hippocratic Oath, is to cure or treat conditions. Medicine has not, and should never, be concerned with making the decision on when life ends. Under medical care, life ends as a result of all possible cures or treatment, within feasible paramaters, being exhausted. Life ends when the medic is no longer able to treat them. The medical practitioner does not end life, nor make a decision to end life as a matter of discretion based on mercy, pragmatics or lack of effort.

Have you ever read the Hippocratic Oath? I have.

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Emphasis added. Life is a treatable disease. The cure is death.

[Innsmothe]

I plan to die once I am 30.