Homosexuality nature or nurture?

[UCUMAY]

In this thread please present facts. Wiki for the purpose of this thread is not considered a credible source. No flaming or caplocks will be tolerated. My apologizes if this has been done before. I could not find it.

I believe it will be like 90 percent nature and 10 nurture. They did an unethical and illegal study in the states where they turned a genetical male twin into a female. They raised this 'female' to adulthood. Results 'she' felt disconnected, trapped in the wrong body, and is currently undergoing the steps to correct this. If I find said news report I will post a link. Sounds like transgenders, doesn't it?

Edit: said link http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/20 ... ript.shtml

[Innsmothe]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T0H-4SBJ172-B&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F31%2F1996&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1544509813&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=6e1acdd77404fabd23b5d81fb7448265&searchtype=a


A scientific report on the manipulation of genes in Drosophila melanogaster to alter sexuality.

[Tokos]

I do not have stats for this but as it is a well-known phenomenon I wonder if anyone has any hard information: the phenomenon of people thinking they're one sexuality and then realising they're another at some point as late as their 20s. Would this be an expression of tendencies already there, or a development of new tendencies (ie not genetic, at least not entirely)?

[Nulono]

It can't be both? I've always seen it as like left-handedness.

[The Bleeding Roses]

In 1970 Dr. Robert Heath, founder of the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane University did an experiment in which he had a gay male engage in sexual relations with a woman via stimulation of the brain's septal region.

Basically, homosexuals are wired wrong. Nature.

[Innsmothe]

In 1970 Dr. Robert Heath, founder of the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane University did an experiment in which he had a gay male engage in sexual relations with a woman via stimulation of the brain's septal region.

Basically, homosexuals are wired wrong. Nature.

But God is perfect!
Homosexuality must have a purpose then!

[UCUMAY]

In 1970 Dr. Robert Heath, founder of the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane University did an experiment in which he had a gay male engage in sexual relations with a woman via stimulation of the brain's septal region.

Basically, homosexuals are wired wrong. Nature.

But God is perfect!
Homosexuality must have a purpose then!

[Nulono]

In 1970 Dr. Robert Heath, founder of the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane University did an experiment in which he had a gay male engage in sexual relations with a woman via stimulation of the brain's septal region.

Basically, homosexuals are wired wrong. Nature.

Define "wrong".

And all that proves is a gay guy will have sex with a woman if it means getting out of this stupid experiment.

[Innsmothe]

In 1970 Dr. Robert Heath, founder of the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane University did an experiment in which he had a gay male engage in sexual relations with a woman via stimulation of the brain's septal region.

Basically, homosexuals are wired wrong. Nature.

Define "wrong".

And all that proves is a gay guy will have sex with a woman if it means getting out of this stupid experiment.

Actually it proves that providing invasive and unethical mind alterations, gay people can be conformists.

[The Bleeding Roses]

In 1970 Dr. Robert Heath, founder of the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology at Tulane University did an experiment in which he had a gay male engage in sexual relations with a woman via stimulation of the brain's septal region.

Basically, homosexuals are wired wrong. Nature.

Define "wrong".

And all that proves is a gay guy will have sex with a woman if it means getting out of this stupid experiment.

Biological norm is heterosexual.
Homosexuality serves no biological purpose, it's simply deviant behavior.

[Baltenstein]

Seeing how same-sex relationships were rather common in Ancient Greece, it probably has something to do with cultural upbringing as well. Most men who were involved in sexual relationships with other men also had sexual relationships with women, so they weren't "homosexuals" in the way we understand it today.

[Innsmothe]

Define "wrong".

And all that proves is a gay guy will have sex with a woman if it means getting out of this stupid experiment.

Biological norm is heterosexual.
Homosexuality serves no biological purpose, it's simply deviant behavior.

It is God's will.
Do you dare besmirch is perfect and divine tamperings heathen?

[Ashmoria]

In this thread please present facts. Wiki for the purpose of this thread is not considered a credible source. No flaming or caplocks will be tolerated. My apologizes if this has been done before. I could not find it.

I believe it will be like 90 percent nature and 10 nurture. They did an unethical and illegal study in the states where they turned a genetical male twin into a female. They raised this 'female' to adulthood. Results 'she' felt disconnected, trapped in the wrong body, and is currently undergoing the steps to correct this. If I find said news report I will post a link. Sounds like transgenders, doesn't it?

Edit: said link http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/20 ... ript.shtml

are you planning on making a thread on every basic question that ever occurs on internet forums?

it doesnt matter why someone is homosexual. there isnt anything wrong with it so its no more important that why someone is left handed.

[Baltenstein]

@Innsmothe:

I find your constant bashing of Christianity on every possible occasion rather immature. It's not as if all other religions (Paganism included) are inherently tolerant towards homosexuality.

[UCUMAY]

are you planning on making a thread on every basic question that ever occurs on internet forums>

it doenst matter why someone is homosexual. there isnt anything wrong with it so its no more important that why someone is left handed.

No just the ones important to me. I didn't say it's wrong. I am Bisexaul. To say either is wrong is hypocritical.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Made more likely by nature, sustained by the surrounding circumstances and the like. Of course, there is no proof that those with that "gene" or whatever will inherently be homosexual and cannot change it. It simply... makes them more inclined to be attracted to the same sex? Although I wonder what would happen if a girl dressed up as a boy. Would a gay be sexually interested in that "boy"?

[Innsmothe]

@Innsmothe:

I find your constant bashing of Christianity on every possible occasion rather immature. It's not as if all other religions (Paganism included) are inherently tolerant towards homosexuality.

But according to your teachings, everything is the will of God, so a neurotical disorder in Gay people is nothing short but his divine and Omnipotent will.


Hinduism, Asatru, Druidism and Voodu have all allowed for Gay Congregations if not marriages.

[Tokos]

But according to your teachings, everything is the will of God, so a neurotical disorder in Gay people is nothing short but his divine and Omnipotent will.

Christianity teaches that people have a very strong inclination towards doing bad things as well, you realise? The idea of the human mind being disordered and generally fucked-up is a tenet of Christianity. No reason that can't apply to homosexual urges.

Hinduism, Asatru, Druidism and Voodu have all allowed for Gay Congregations if not marriages.

Plenty of homosexuals in Christian congregations. It's not as if you are asked at the door if you are gay or not. I can't think of a single church that actually classes homosexuality (as a state of mind) as a sin, much less something you can be barred for.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Biology. Although some people take it too far.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

@Innsmothe:

I find your constant bashing of Christianity on every possible occasion rather immature. It's not as if all other religions (Paganism included) are inherently tolerant towards homosexuality.

But according to your teachings, everything is the will of God, so a neurotical disorder in Gay people is nothing short but his divine and Omnipotent will.


Hinduism, Asatru, Druidism and Voodu have all allowed for Gay Congregations if not marriages.

Not everything is the will of God. Everything is permitted and known by God, until he decides to intervene if things go too far.

As for those religions, I do not believe that is an ancient development?

[Tekania]

I do not have stats for this but as it is a well-known phenomenon I wonder if anyone has any hard information: the phenomenon of people thinking they're one sexuality and then realising they're another at some point as late as their 20s. Would this be an expression of tendencies already there, or a development of new tendencies (ie not genetic, at least not entirely)?

That's peer-group pressuring. People will develop self-identity via first experimenting within the common patterns of their peer group... That is, seeing friends dating opposite sex partners, they will feel social pressure to do the same, and flip between partners before getting firm grasp on their sexual identity. Really, it's not limited to them, people in that age, even heterosexuals, don't usually have a firm grasp on their identity yet and have yet to establish what they are looking for in a partner. It's just a bit harder on the homosexual as his natural urges are not the same as the overall common pattern of his group, so he or she will attempt sexual bonds with what is perceived as "normal" within the group at first before settling to their natural tendency.

(Note, I am referring to "normal" and "common" as statistical averages within the overall natural order... Not in terms of what should be considered acceptable/unacceptable)

[Innsmothe]

But according to your teachings, everything is the will of God, so a neurotical disorder in Gay people is nothing short but his divine and Omnipotent will.


Hinduism, Asatru, Druidism and Voodu have all allowed for Gay Congregations if not marriages.

Not everything is the will of God. Everything is permitted and known by God.

As for those religions, I do not believe that is an ancient development?

Modernisation is the key of holding a demographic.

[Illithar]

But according to your teachings, everything is the will of God, so a neurotical disorder in Gay people is nothing short but his divine and Omnipotent will.

That depends on the denomination. I wish NSG would realize that Christians aren't one monolithic hive-mind out to oppress as many people as possible.

[Basementees]

And here was I thinking that homosexuality arose as nature's way to control population sizes... Seems it failed when it came to man.


(Out Of Context: And, what's wrong with christianity-bashing? They're the ones most likely to respond.)

[Baltenstein]

@Innsmothe:

I find your constant bashing of Christianity on every possible occasion rather immature. It's not as if all other religions (Paganism included) are inherently tolerant towards homosexuality.

But according to your teachings, everything is the will of God, so a neurotical disorder in Gay people is nothing short but his divine and Omnipotent will.

I don't think you have that good a grasp of what Christianity's teachings are.

Hinduism, Asatru, Druidism and Voodu have all allowed for Gay Congregations if not marriages.

Seeing how being the passive part in an sexual encounter was considered unmanly in Norse society, I seriously doubt the "Asatru" part.
As for Hinduism, lolwhat. Homosexuality only became legal in India last year.