Can atheists go to Heaven?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

So pretty well anyone can get into heaven then? Since at death everyone will know Christ is real, and in purgatory they will want to do all they can to get into heaven to avoid hell, basically out of fear.

yes anyone can get into heaven. its not a country club. god loves everyone.

Everyone is equal in the eyes of God, but some are more equal than others.

[Unhealthy2]

Your mind and heart ain't doing to much when you're dead.

Sure, but in this context, we're pretending that the afterlife is real.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Why is it that the only chance you're ever given to accept Jesus as your savior is the point in your existence where there's no rational reason to believe that god exists? Why can't you accept the existence of god and Jesus after death? Why does it only count if you do so while alive? That seems a bit rigged, and a bit silly.

That's the whole point of faith. Your mind and heart ain't doing to much when you're dead.

So you're implying that the soul and such is located within our physical bodies? That's even more ridiculous to believe, even on a theological level.

[Unhealthy2]

For me to accept and follow Christ now is out of desire. If at death you lived a horrible life but could accept Christ and get into heaven, then its only really done out of convenience and out of fear of going to hell. Most Christians I know accept Christ out of love, and desire to live for Him because they want to be in paradise to be eternally in His presence praising Him for how great He is.

That really doesn't answer my question at all, but whatever.

[Novistranaya]

Your mind and heart ain't doing to much when you're dead.

Sure, but in this context, we're pretending that the afterlife is real.

I believe it's real. I may have misphrased that 'cause I'm a bit tired.

[Genivar]

I say Jesus is a fraud and a fake and if heaven and hell is real at least i be warm xD who wants to go to heaven and freeze their asses off? Lol

Theology fail. One basks in the WARMTH of God's light. In Hell, the fires produce no warmth.

No warmth?.....Are you this fire we're talking about?

[Novistranaya]

That's the whole point of faith. Your mind and heart ain't doing to much when you're dead.

So you're implying that the soul and such is located within our physical bodies? That's even more ridiculous to believe, even on a theological level.

Generally been my understanding of it, don't know where else it would be.

[Ashmoria]

That's the whole point of faith. Your mind and heart ain't doing to much when you're dead.

So you're implying that the soul and such is located within our physical bodies? That's even more ridiculous to believe, even on a theological level.

where is the soul located then?

[Novistranaya]

Theology fail. One basks in the WARMTH of God's light. In Hell, the fires produce no warmth.

No warmth?.....Are you this fire we're talking about?

???? What? This is me confused.

[Buffett and Colbert]

So you're implying that the soul and such is located within our physical bodies? That's even more ridiculous to believe, even on a theological level.

where is the soul located then?

In a parallel universe, I expect.

Unless you can point to where in those organs a soul has been found.

[Genivar]

No warmth?.....Are you this fire we're talking about?

???? What? This is me confused.

Crap! I can't type tonight. Let me try that again.
No warmth?.....Are you sure this is fire we're talking about?

[Unhealthy2]

I believe it's real. I may have misphrased that 'cause I'm a bit tired.

Then what did you mean? It seems to me like you were saying that you better believe now, because your mind won't be around after you die in order to believe anything.

[Ashmoria]

where is the soul located then?

In a parallel universe, I expect.

Unless you can point to where in those organs a soul has been found.

thats physiologically

theologically i think they are the part of the human body that animates us.

ive never thought of a parallel soul universe.... have you been thinking this a long time? got any details?

[Buffett and Colbert]

In a parallel universe, I expect.

Unless you can point to where in those organs a soul has been found.

thats physiologically

theologically i think they are the part of the human body that animates us.

ive never thought of a parallel soul universe.... have you been thinking this a long time? got any details?

Not one. But Novistranaya seems to be saying they're located concretely in them. Unless I'm seriously misunderstanding him.

[Novistranaya]

???? What? This is me confused.

Crap! I can't type tonight. Let me try that again.
No warmth?.....Are you sure this is fire we're talking about?

I feel your pain. And yes, I'm sure, but forgive me, I'm to lazy to find the exact verse at the moment.

[Novistranaya]

thats physiologically

theologically i think they are the part of the human body that animates us.

ive never thought of a parallel soul universe.... have you been thinking this a long time? got any details?

Not one. But Novistranaya seems to be saying they're located concretely in them. Unless I'm seriously misunderstanding him.

You're not misunderstanding me.

[Nort Eurasia]

No. The Bible clearly states that anyone, of any moral standard, cannot enter Heaven unless they accept Jesus as their savior and show unconditional, relentless servitude and devotion to God and his Commandments. Ergo, a morally sound Hindu, atheist, Buddhist, Muslim or any other person of a different religious affiliation cannot enter and will be condemned to an eternity of incalculable suffering.

[Ashmoria]

thats physiologically

theologically i think they are the part of the human body that animates us.

ive never thought of a parallel soul universe.... have you been thinking this a long time? got any details?

Not one. But Novistranaya seems to be saying they're located concretely in them. Unless I'm seriously misunderstanding him.

that was always my understanding.

not that there is a PLACE for the soul but religion ignores that part.

[Grave_n_idle]

Serious. You made a nonsensical statement, and I'd really like to see how you're going to back it up.

I quoted Christ's own words, so its not my own statement, first off.

Don't try to blame 'Jesus. You said "It seems pretty clear and cut. " About scripture. I shouldn't even need to explain why that's a nonsensical sort of thing to say.

Second, I think it is really clear what is being said in this instance, and you seem to want to play Bill Clinton by asking what the definition of is, is. You want to play around with words to try to take to focus off of the point.

Blah blah... what a lot of prevaricating before you get to a point, such as it is.

Just like a tunnel is the way through a mountain, Jesus is the way to the father. To follow after Him is the only path that gets people to heaven, and to follow after him means to deny your self, accept him as lord of your life, and let him guide you.

So you believe that Jesus is a literal portal? No - clearly not - so NOT "Just like a tunnel is the way through a mountain", at all.

What you appear to mean is that you think 'belief on Jesus' is what is meant by 'through' - but there's no reason to believe that except that you want it to be so.

Jesus was crucified on Passover. His sacrifice is that of the (Passover) lamb, and that is, indeed, how he is referred to. That means, your human faults are hidden under the blood of the lamb - belief is NOT necessary for the Passover sacrifice. (Although, interestingly, EATING the lamb is. You could say that is one of the things Catholics got right).

So your claim that it is "pretty clesar and cut" is nonsense. It's an opinion, only - and a weak one at that, because it ignores a whole wealth of scriptural reasons why it's simply not true. (The Passover ritual, the scapegoat, Jesus' discussion of children as an example, etc).

[Grave_n_idle]

So you're implying that the soul and such is located within our physical bodies? That's even more ridiculous to believe, even on a theological level.

where is the soul located then?

According to Genesis theology? In the blood.

[Novistranaya]

Not one. But Novistranaya seems to be saying they're located concretely in them. Unless I'm seriously misunderstanding him.

that was always my understanding.

not that there is a PLACE for the soul but religion ignores that part.

Under normal circumstances I'd argue more fervently, but I'm unusually tired. So I'll be signing off for now. I'll try and do better tomorrow.

[Grave_n_idle]

No. The Bible clearly states that anyone, of any moral standard, cannot enter Heaven unless they accept Jesus as their savior and show unconditional, relentless servitude and devotion to God and his Commandments.

No, it doesn't.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Not one. But Novistranaya seems to be saying they're located concretely in them. Unless I'm seriously misunderstanding him.

that was always my understanding.

not that there is a PLACE for the soul but religion ignores that part.

The first line and second seemingly contradict each other.

[Ashmoria]

where is the soul located then?

According to Genesis theology? In the blood.

ohhhhh i can see that.

[Genivar]

No. The Bible clearly states that anyone, of any moral standard, cannot enter Heaven unless they accept Jesus as their savior and show unconditional, relentless servitude and devotion to God and his Commandments. Ergo, a morally sound Hindu, atheist, Buddhist, Muslim or any other person of a different religious affiliation cannot enter and will be condemned to an eternity of incalculable suffering.

Well....crap, I guess I'm out of luck then huh. I'll go party with Gandhi in hell then.