Can atheists go to Heaven?

[Yenke-Bin]

And like most Catholics you must not know anything about your own faith, as it seems you don't read the Bible. Jesus said the was only ONE way to Heaven, and its not by just being a "good" person. You must have faith in Him, and if you faith is genuine you will be be kind, merciful, loving, patient, tolerant, help people out, feed the poor, heal the sick, visit the prisoner, etc.

And what is it with people and "good people will go to Heaven". What is good? Not killing someone? Not lying all the time? Giving a few bucks to charity? Sure, those are some nice things. No one can deny that. But God has such a high standard of goodness that if you try to follow it, you will fail. No one can achieve that perfect. That is why God came down and lived that perfect life for us, died for our sins and rose from death to give us eternal life. When we place that faith in Him, we become good in His eyes. And when we become good or righteous, then it will be noticeable through deeds. Trust me, there will be plenty of self proclaimed Christians in trouble one day, because they will claim to love christ, yet their faith was empty and false, because they had no fruit of the spirit.

Actually i know quite a bit about my faith, however i treat it like i would treat my favorite form of government, it is my duty to question it and i do not feel i am entitled to embrace unjust aspects

Oh so a choose and pick your own faith.

[Ashmoria]

And like most Catholics you must not know anything about your own faith, as it seems you don't read the Bible. Jesus said the was only ONE way to Heaven, and its not by just being a "good" person. You must have faith in Him, and if you faith is genuine you will be be kind, merciful, loving, patient, tolerant, help people out, feed the poor, heal the sick, visit the prisoner, etc.

And what is it with people and "good people will go to Heaven". What is good? Not killing someone? Not lying all the time? Giving a few bucks to charity? Sure, those are some nice things. No one can deny that. But God has such a high standard of goodness that if you try to follow it, you will fail. No one can achieve that perfect. That is why God came down and lived that perfect life for us, died for our sins and rose from death to give us eternal life. When we place that faith in Him, we become good in His eyes. And when we become good or righteous, then it will be noticeable through deeds. Trust me, there will be plenty of self proclaimed Christians in trouble one day, because they will claim to love christ, yet their faith was empty and false, because they had no fruit of the spirit.

Actually i know quite a bit about my faith, however i treat it like i would treat my favorite form of government, it is my duty to question it and i do not feel i am entitled to embrace unjust aspects

and surely its a sin to declare that you (generic "you") know the mind of god, eh? to say "god will damn this one or that one" is just wrong. GOD decides who will and will not get to heaven, not the bible, not some minister somewhere, not even the pope.

[Gratislavia]

Actually i know quite a bit about my faith, however i treat it like i would treat my favorite form of government, it is my duty to question it and i do not feel i am entitled to embrace unjust aspects

Oh so a choose and pick your own faith.

?No i simply believe that religion can be flawed or misinterpreted

[Galloism]

Actually i know quite a bit about my faith, however i treat it like i would treat my favorite form of government, it is my duty to question it and i do not feel i am entitled to embrace unjust aspects

and surely its a sin to declare that you (generic "you") know the mind of god, eh? to say "god will damn this one or that one" is just wrong. GOD decides who will and will not get to heaven, not the bible, not some minister somewhere, not even the pope.

Why can't I know my own mind?

[Gratislavia]

Actually i know quite a bit about my faith, however i treat it like i would treat my favorite form of government, it is my duty to question it and i do not feel i am entitled to embrace unjust aspects

and surely its a sin to declare that you (generic "you") know the mind of god, eh? to say "god will damn this one or that one" is just wrong. GOD decides who will and will not get to heaven, not the bible, not some minister somewhere, not even the pope.

Well if you see that bible as the word of God then no they bible would give you a "guide line" of such

[Yenke-Bin]

Oh so a choose and pick your own faith.

?No i simply believe that religion can be flawed or misinterpreted

How can you misinterpret "I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"?

It seems pretty clear and cut.

I mean would you tell an officer "Sorry, I didn't realize that the 65mph speed limit was to be taken THAT way. I thought maybe it was flawed or other people were misinterpreting as being literally that we can only go that fast"? I'm sure you'd still get a ticket.

[Grave_n_idle]

?No i simply believe that religion can be flawed or misinterpreted

How can you misinterpret "I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"?

It seems pretty clear and cut.

I mean would you tell an officer "Sorry, I didn't realize that the 65mph speed limit was to be taken THAT way. I thought maybe it was flawed or other people were misinterpreting as being literally that we can only go that fast"? I'm sure you'd still get a ticket.

What does 'through' mean?

[Ashmoria]

and surely its a sin to declare that you (generic "you") know the mind of god, eh? to say "god will damn this one or that one" is just wrong. GOD decides who will and will not get to heaven, not the bible, not some minister somewhere, not even the pope.

Well if you see that bible as the word of God then no they bible would give you a "guide line" of such

to equate the bible with the total will of god is blasphemy and makes the bible into a false idol.

[Ashmoria]

Actually i know quite a bit about my faith, however i treat it like i would treat my favorite form of government, it is my duty to question it and i do not feel i am entitled to embrace unjust aspects

Oh so a choose and pick your own faith.

everyone picks and chooses their own faith. why else would there be protestant churches?

[Gratislavia]

Wow i feel like im being attacked

[Yenke-Bin]

How can you misinterpret "I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"?

It seems pretty clear and cut.

I mean would you tell an officer "Sorry, I didn't realize that the 65mph speed limit was to be taken THAT way. I thought maybe it was flawed or other people were misinterpreting as being literally that we can only go that fast"? I'm sure you'd still get a ticket.

What does 'through' mean?

Are you being serious, or just trying to be funny?

[Grave_n_idle]

What does 'through' mean?

Are you being serious, or just trying to be funny?

Serious. You made a nonsensical statement, and I'd really like to see how you're going to back it up.

[Ashmoria]

What does 'through' mean?

Are you being serious, or just trying to be funny?

do you have to accept a door as your personal lord and savior in order to walk through it?

[Yenke-Bin]

Wow i feel like im being attacked

I don't mean for it to come off as an attack. This is a very important topic. If it were something like sacraments, or free will versus predestination, I could care less about your views. Those a secondary, lesser points.

Salvation and Redemption provided by Christ is the absolute most important aspect of Christian faith. Saying there can be other ways to heaven, outside of Christ is a very serious mistake. Not only does it give the false hope to people that they can live as they like and still get to Heaven(which I assume most of those same people don't even realize what heaven is about), but it also takes away from the significance of Christ, and if he isn't significant, then he deserves no praise, and if you feel that way, then there is no way you can be a Christian, i don't care what you say.

[Ashmoria]

Wow i feel like im being attacked

i was supporting you.

[The Devine Comedy]

I hate to burst everyone's bubble but the bible doesn't actually preach that if your good you go to heaven or if you bad you go to hell. It actually teaches in the book of revelation of a second coming of Christ, who will cast Satan into an abyss and will set of a kingdom of god on a paradise earth. The bible also teaches in the book of revelation only between 100,000 and 150,000 people go to heaven to be part of a governing body for a paradise earth.

Unfortunately you are incorrect. Revelation does teach that Jesus will come back, and will judge the earth. Those sinners that reject Jesus will be cast into the lake of fire with Satan , and those sinners that accept Christ will be allowed into Paradise. (Revelation 19:6-8; 20:11-15)

The part of Jesus having a physical kingdom on Earth is called the Millennium Rule, because it will be 1000 years of Christ's rule, and Satan will make one last attempt to overthrow Christ, but as mentioned before, he will be forever cast into fire (Revelation 20:7-10). 1000 is a number used to denote some sort of perfection. So the thousand year rule on earth is simply a symbolic showing of Christ's reign being perfect.

Also the number of people in heaven, that you point to is 144,000, which again is one of those biblical numbers which isn't literal, but a symbol. In this case, it refers to all the believers of Christ, because they are the new heirs of Abraham. Abraham had 12 sons which formed 12 tribes, and the total number of the people in those tribes when reaching the promised land was 144,000. So it is in reference to that. See the book of Hebrews for references to that.

Now, if you want to read more on Revelation, I suggest the book Revelation's Rhapsody by Dr. Robert Lowery

I knew everything you mentioned i edited it for content and some religions say because Jesus died on the cross no human will go to hell and vise visa, so in the end it's my feeling that the bible is subject to translation by who ever reads it.

PS. i was drunk and had to leave for work.

[Gratislavia]

Alright let me give you a clear cut view of my beliefs

-I believe that if you live a good life god will have mercy upon you
-I do believe that you must admit Jesus is they one true savior to achieve salvation
- I believe that those who do not but live a good life shall enter purgatory
-I believe that in purgatory you shall have another chance to completely solidify your belief but not just to receive salvation

[Yenke-Bin]

Are you being serious, or just trying to be funny?

Serious. You made a nonsensical statement, and I'd really like to see how you're going to back it up.

I quoted Christ's own words, so its not my own statement, first off. Second, I think it is really clear what is being said in this instance, and you seem to want to play Bill Clinton by asking what the definition of is, is. You want to play around with words to try to take to focus off of the point. Just like a tunnel is the way through a mountain, Jesus is the way to the father. To follow after Him is the only path that gets people to heaven, and to follow after him means to deny your self, accept him as lord of your life, and let him guide you.

[Unhealthy2]

Why is it that the only chance you're ever given to accept Jesus as your savior is the point in your existence where there's no rational reason to believe that god exists? Why can't you accept the existence of god and Jesus after death? Why does it only count if you do so while alive? That seems a bit rigged, and a bit silly.

[Yenke-Bin]

Alright let me give you a clear cut view of my beliefs

-I believe that if you live a good life god will have mercy upon you
-I do believe that you must admit Jesus is they one true savior to achieve salvation
- I believe that those who do not but live a good life shall enter purgatory
-I believe that in purgatory you shall have another chance to completely solidify your belief but not just to receive salvation

So pretty well anyone can get into heaven then? Since at death everyone will know Christ is real, and in purgatory they will want to do all they can to get into heaven to avoid hell, basically out of fear.

[Novistranaya]

Nah, according to the Bible, those who don't accept Jesus as their Savior wind up in the other spot... which is not a place someone would be willing to spend an eternity in!

I say Jesus is a fraud and a fake and if heaven and hell is real at least i be warm xD who wants to go to heaven and freeze their asses off? Lol

Theology fail. One basks in the WARMTH of God's light. In Hell, the fires produce no warmth.

[Ashmoria]

Why is it that the only chance you're ever given to accept Jesus as your savior is the point in your existence where there's no rational reason to believe that god exists? Why can't you accept the existence of god and Jesus after death? Why does it only count if you do so while alive? That seems a bit rigged, and a bit silly.

it was an idea that was going around that area at that time. that there was a secret code that could get you into the great afterlife but you had to know it before you died so you could tell it to the gate keeper.

its obviously a silly idea so only the most fundamentalist (who ignores that his way damns more than 50% of humanity at best) sticks with it.

[Yenke-Bin]

Why is it that the only chance you're ever given to accept Jesus as your savior is the point in your existence where there's no rational reason to believe that god exists? Why can't you accept the existence of god and Jesus after death? Why does it only count if you do so while alive? That seems a bit rigged, and a bit silly.

For me to accept and follow Christ now is out of desire. If at death you lived a horrible life but could accept Christ and get into heaven, then its only really done out of convenience and out of fear of going to hell. Most Christians I know accept Christ out of love, and desire to live for Him because they want to be in paradise to be eternally in His presence praising Him for how great He is.

[Novistranaya]

Why is it that the only chance you're ever given to accept Jesus as your savior is the point in your existence where there's no rational reason to believe that god exists? Why can't you accept the existence of god and Jesus after death? Why does it only count if you do so while alive? That seems a bit rigged, and a bit silly.

That's the whole point of faith. Your mind and heart ain't doing to much when you're dead.

[Ashmoria]

Alright let me give you a clear cut view of my beliefs

-I believe that if you live a good life god will have mercy upon you
-I do believe that you must admit Jesus is they one true savior to achieve salvation
- I believe that those who do not but live a good life shall enter purgatory
-I believe that in purgatory you shall have another chance to completely solidify your belief but not just to receive salvation

So pretty well anyone can get into heaven then? Since at death everyone will know Christ is real, and in purgatory they will want to do all they can to get into heaven to avoid hell, basically out of fear.

yes anyone can get into heaven. its not a country club. god loves everyone.