Can atheists go to Heaven?

[Communist Travidovia]

Simple "THERE IS NO HEAVEN" ! posting.php?mode=reply&f=20&t=80057&sid=9cfdf5e7fe9c609f146755fa8d28acd5#

[Mosasauria]

So you're using the definition of "theory" that means "something I just pulled out of my nether regions, or guessed at." Good to know.

No, Farn, they're using the definition of "science or athiest theory" that means that.

Excuse me, but I never said I was anti-atheist. Also, last time I checked, theories are widely used.

[Farnhamia]

So you're using the definition of "theory" that means "something I just pulled out of my nether regions, or guessed at." Good to know.

No, Farn, they're using the definition of "science or athiest theory" that means that.

Ah, okay. It's always good to know what the definitions are. Groundwork, you know.

[Ashmoria]

because no one is posting the jewish point of view here.

Still though, in the thread of the religious survey, there were plenty of Jews. And yet, nobody criticized them. What's the matter, afraid of being called a Nazi? Because last time I checked, Hitler persecuted Christians, which he only said he was to appeal to the public, and he was secretly a cult member.

i wouldnt know. i didnt participate in that thread.

[Mosasauria]

No, Farn, they're using the definition of "science or athiest theory" that means that.

Ah, okay. It's always good to know what the definitions are. Groundwork, you know.

Groundwork for what? Arguing to win or arguing to make a point(I perform the latter)

[Farnhamia]

Ah, okay. It's always good to know what the definitions are. Groundwork, you know.

Groundwork for what? Arguing to win or arguing to make a point(I perform the latter)

For understanding the person I'm debating with.

[Mosasauria]

Groundwork for what? Arguing to win or arguing to make a point(I perform the latter)

For understanding the person I'm debating with.

Good, then this will be fun and intelligent. I am a man of logic my friend, one who is a christian hanging by a thread, but a very stout deist. I am very much against organized religion. Anything else you want to know?

[Laerod]

Yeah, that's not what hypothetical means.

Though, in the interest of debate, could you list "most of science and atheistic theories" that apparently are widely believed yet cannot be proven?

1. Higgs-Boson Particle
2. Evolution(which I do believe is real, by the way)
3. Dark Matter
4. Dark Energy
5. Wormholes
6. Parralell Universes(And I don't mean it in the Hollywood sense)
7. The awesomeness of Chuck Norris(Just a joke :D )

Right, even counting the last one, how would these comprise "most"?
(Not even going into that evolution has indeed been proven.)

No, Farn, they're using the definition of "science or athiest theory" that means that.

Excuse me, but I never said I was anti-atheist. Also, last time I checked, theories are widely used.

And I never said you did. However, what you have said is:

You make my point precisely, General. Heaven is hypothetical.

As is most of science and atheistic theories.

And Farnhamia was incorrect in criticizing only your slander of the word "theory".

[The Un-believers]

As in to accept him into your heart and what-not.
Oh, and I love how people get so worked up over typos.

i didnt notice the typo

it is an interpretation that THROUGH him means accept him into you heart. it might mean any of a number of things including that because he came to earth and died EVERYONE gets into heaven because the way to heaven is now open through the actions of jesus (god himself fixing what went wrong at the beginning of humanity)

Oh, I apologize for the rash assumption.
As for the bulk of of the comment: This is very true. I just believe the interpretation that Austin Setzer is that that that quote means to accept Jesus into your heart.
Then again, this could be another rash assumption.

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

No, atheists will not go to Heaven nor Hell, neither will religious people, as both places are fictional.

"This is assuming God is real, and that a Heaven and Hell exist"

- Well, that's a crazy assumption, and therefore not worth considering.

[Multasibi]

So you're using the definition of "theory" that means "something I just pulled out of my nether regions, or guessed at." Good to know.

No, Farn, they're using the definition of "science or athiest theory" that means that.

no that has no relation to scientific theory whatsoever

here are some SCIENTIFIC definitions for you:

FACT: an irrefutable observation or object, e.g. "This apple in my hand is a solid" or "Sight is the interpretation of light hitting the retina"

HYPOTHESIS: an unproved explanation of a collection of facts, for example "Monkeys come from space", also, before we discovered the telescope, "The Earth orbits the Sun", however after the discovery of the telescope it became a:

THEORY: a hypothesis that has sufficient proof, physical or mathematical, that it can be accepted as true. Theories can be proven wrong, by new evidence or re-evaluation of old evidence however until this has officially happened a "Theory" is accepted truth. For example Evolutionary Theory, Gravitational Theory, Thermal Dynamics, Energy Levels and Atomic Structure, General Relativity.

git learnin or git kwiet yall

[Mosasauria]

1. Higgs-Boson Particle
2. Evolution(which I do believe is real, by the way)
3. Dark Matter
4. Dark Energy
5. Wormholes
6. Parralell Universes(And I don't mean it in the Hollywood sense)
7. The awesomeness of Chuck Norris(Just a joke )

Right, even counting the last one, how would these comprise "most"?
(Not even going into that evolution has indeed been proven.)

Excuse me, but I never said I was anti-atheist. Also, last time I checked, theories are widely used.

And I never said you did. However, what you have said is:

As is most of science and atheistic theories.

And Farnhamia was incorrect in criticizing only your slander of the word "theory".

I like to play devil's advocate quite a bit
1. How come so many gaps in the fossil record(remember, I do believe in evolution)
2. Those are some of the more popular theories
3.Devil's advocate.

[Mosasauria]

No, Farn, they're using the definition of "science or athiest theory" that means that.

no that has no relation to scientific theory whatsoever

here are some SCIENTIFIC definitions for you:

FACT: an irrefutable observation or object, e.g. "This apple in my hand is a solid" or "Sight is the interpretation of light hitting the retina"

HYPOTHESIS: an unproved explanation of a collection of facts, for example "Monkeys come from space", also, before we discovered the telescope, "The Earth orbits the Sun", however after the discovery of the telescope it became a:

THEORY: a hypothesis that has sufficient proof, physical or mathematical, that it can be accepted as true. Theories can be proven wrong, by new evidence or re-evaluation of old evidence however until this has officially happened a "Theory" is accepted truth. For example Evolutionary Theory, Gravitational Theory, Thermal Dynamics, Energy Levels and Atomic Structure, General Relativity.

git learnin or git kwiet yall

Wow, personal attacks much? You don't hear me saying "atheists are evil" do you? (Also because I do not believe that) Also, if science was 100% true, would theories be disproven? No, because the way to "prove" things would be 100% accurate, which last time I checked, it is not. Also, I am barely a christian, and if anything, an anti-organized religions deist.

[Geniasis]

Probably because most things actually don't get preserved as fossils.

[Laerod]

Right, even counting the last one, how would these comprise "most"?
(Not even going into that evolution has indeed been proven.)

And I never said you did. However, what you have said is:

And Farnhamia was incorrect in criticizing only your slander of the word "theory".

I like to play devil's advocate quite a bit
1. How come so many gaps in the fossil record(remember, I do believe in evolution)
2. Those are some of the more popular theories
3.Devil's advocate.

Populations change over time. New species do form. This has been observed, particularly with organisms that have short lifespans. The fossil record shows that this has happened over a long time with just about every species. Gaps in the fossil record are not surprising considering just how unlikely a fossil is in the first place.

And no, them being popular doesn't make them representative. The theory of gravity is popular as well, as are many theories about the nature of molecules, population growth, motion, etc.

[New new nebraska]

In my opinion absolutely. That's what the Catholic church says and that's what I believe too. I mean who can honestly say that the Dahli Lama or Ghandi is in/going to hell. Besides what if it was reversed what if Hinduism was the "correct" faith, then everything your fried say would be a meaningless platitude and it turned out he had to accept the Hindu deities into his heart and he would be wrong not to. Seriously sending people who are good people, which is pretty much Jesus' teachings (golden rule and the like) is, well, not particulary Christian.

[Mosasauria]

One final point:
This thread asks if atheists go to heaven, which I responded yes too. Anybody can go to heaven, so long as they are a good, kind person, and if they have/follow good morals.
This thread is not really meant to debate whether there is a God or not, or if there even is a heaven.

[Andaluciae]

Atheists go to Minneapolis. Duh.

[Laerod]

No, Farn, they're using the definition of "science or athiest theory" that means that.

no that has no relation to scientific theory whatsoever

here are some SCIENTIFIC definitions for you:

For me? May I suggest reading the context of the statements?

[Mosasauria]

Probably because most things actually don't get preserved as fossils.

There you go, proof that my point is wrong

[Ashmoria]

i didnt notice the typo

it is an interpretation that THROUGH him means accept him into you heart. it might mean any of a number of things including that because he came to earth and died EVERYONE gets into heaven because the way to heaven is now open through the actions of jesus (god himself fixing what went wrong at the beginning of humanity)

Oh, I apologize for the rash assumption.
As for the bulk of of the comment: This is very true. I just believe the interpretation that Austin Setzer is that that that quote means to accept Jesus into your heart.
Then again, this could be another rash assumption.

the fun thing about christianity is that you can decide exactly what to believe in and as long as their is some stretch of scripture to support it, who is to say you are wrong?

[Mosasauria]

no that has no relation to scientific theory whatsoever

here are some SCIENTIFIC definitions for you:

For me? May I suggest reading the context of the statements?

That's what I thought when I was reading his statement.

[Mosasauria]

Atheists go to Minneapolis. Duh.

Oh my God atheists do go to hell!!!

[The Un-believers]

Oh, I apologize for the rash assumption.
As for the bulk of of the comment: This is very true. I just believe the interpretation that Austin Setzer is that that that quote means to accept Jesus into your heart.
Then again, this could be another rash assumption.

the fun thing about christianity is that you can decide exactly what to believe in and as long as their is some stretch of scripture to support it, who is to say you are wrong?

Indeed

[Laerod]

Atheists go to Minneapolis. Duh.

Oh my God atheists do go to hell!!! :shock:

No, that's in Michigan.