Can atheists go to Heaven?

[Ashmoria]

So, according to your holy book, anyone who doesn't accept Jesus into their heart, even the people who have never heard of Jesus or Yahweh, will burn in hell......Wow, Yahweh is a dick. I don't want to be in his ass-kissing Heaven.
Assuming Heaven exists

I'm sure you can back that up with scripture.

Sure, a lot of churches teach it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's in the bible.

yeah but it seems that having to interpret the word of god to figure out what was REALLY meant by any particular commandment started at the beginning of humanity in the garden of eden so....interpret away i guess.

[Mosasauria]

Genesis is an attempt by ancient man to try to solve the puzzle why an omnipotent, all knowing god, would allow humankind to starve, and suffer all the pain that life inflicts. If god exists, and we are cruel to each other, then god accepts it and indeed condones it. If god does not exist, then we, as human beings, are personally responsible for our actions and we should be judged on those actions by our fellow human beings.It is far too easy to justify an action by saying it is god's will.

Satan and/or free will.

[Ashmoria]

uh i THINK i might have found something important to this arguement
From the book : freemasonry and its ancient mystic rites. "Shri Krishna, speaking as the supreme in the bhagava Gita says 'Even those who worship other gods with devotion, full of faith- they also worship me"

well really

if there is only ONE god then any one who is worshipping any god is worshipping that one god.

[The Un-believers]

So, according to your holy book, anyone who doesn't accept Jesus into their heart, even the people who have never heard of Jesus or Yahweh, will burn in hell......Wow, Yahweh is a dick. I don't want to be in his ass-kissing Heaven.
Assuming Heaven exists

I'm sure you can back that up with scripture.

Sure, a lot of churches teach it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's in the bible.

I distinctly remember a part were Jesus said the only way into heaven was through him, so I assume he means that only Christians in heaven, everyone else in Hell, no matter the circumstances.

[Mosasauria]

Why did she have to be tested on her faith?
No doubt, the response to this question will be "god moves in mysterious ways". My view is that religion cannot explain why there is pain and suffering and that logic is thrown out the window in any explanation by believers. Did god not know that she would fail the "test" that he imposed upon her? Is god all-knowing or not?

But atheism cannot explain why there is so much suffering either. And yet you criticize deists. Hey, I have a question, how come you are criticizing christians, but not jews?

[Ashmoria]

I'm sure you can back that up with scripture.

Sure, a lot of churches teach it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's in the bible.

I distinctly remember a part were Jesus said the only way into heaven was though him, so I assume he means that only Christians in heaven, everyone else in Hell, no matter the circumstances.

yes

but what does it mean that is is THROUGH him?

[Ashmoria]

Why did she have to be tested on her faith?
No doubt, the response to this question will be "god moves in mysterious ways". My view is that religion cannot explain why there is pain and suffering and that logic is thrown out the window in any explanation by believers. Did god not know that she would fail the "test" that he imposed upon her? Is god all-knowing or not?

But atheism cannot explain why there is so much suffering either. And yet you criticize deists. Hey, I have a question, how come you are criticizing christians, but not jews?

because no one is posting the jewish point of view here.

[Austin Setzer]

I'm sure you can back that up with scripture.

Sure, a lot of churches teach it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's in the bible.

I distinctly remember a part were Jesus said the only way into heaven was though him, so I assume he means that only Christians in heaven, everyone else in Hell, no matter the circumstances.

well actually it was John 3:16 which another person says it. and for he people before him. they had to do a very sacred ceremony where only the holiest of priest were allowed in, and they had to kill a sheep and offer the blood on a golden shrine. this makes a connection to god. and the people NOT allowed in had to follow the ten commandments and never break them. so Jesus came and someone said "worship him and you will go to heaven. other religions might have to do the ceremony

[Teh Fluffles]

I have my views taking from Kabbalah.

[The Un-believers]

I distinctly remember a part were Jesus said the only way into heaven was though him, so I assume he means that only Christians in heaven, everyone else in Hell, no matter the circumstances.

yes

but what does it mean that is is THROUGH him?

As in to accept him into your heart and what-not.
Oh, and I love how people get so worked up over typos.

[Mosasauria]

But atheism cannot explain why there is so much suffering either. And yet you criticize deists. Hey, I have a question, how come you are criticizing christians, but not jews?

because no one is posting the jewish point of view here.

Still though, in the thread of the religious survey, there were plenty of Jews. And yet, nobody criticized them. What's the matter, afraid of being called a Nazi? Because last time I checked, Hitler persecuted Christians, which he only said he was to appeal to the public, and he was secretly a cult member.

[GeneralHaNor]

But atheism cannot explain why there is so much suffering either. And yet you criticize deists. Hey, I have a question, how come you are criticizing christians, but not jews?

because no one is posting the jewish point of view here.

Interesting point
we are assuming not just an abrahamic god
But an exclusively christian god...

this actually is a wrench
Besides Jews don't have an afterlife concept, except for Orthodox Jews...but they are considered weird.

[Laerod]

You make my point precisely, General. Heaven is hypothetical.

As is most of science and atheistic theories.

Which definition of "hypothetical" are we going by?

[Tyr-risuur]

You can't choose your beliefs. I can believe in the Christian god as much as I can believe I am an invisible pink unicorn. Grace? Faith? Saved by grace and faith? I cannot believe in God. I cannot believe in Jesus. I cannot be saved. Some are arbitrarily saved by "grace" of gullibility and/or chance. Some are arbitrarily damned by "grace" of intellect and/or chance. How in all this is God just?

You can't choose your beliefs?

Well maybe not you, because you are sheep, but I forge my own destiny
For Example, last year this time, I chose to a be a Libertarian
This year, I'm an Anarchist
And next Year I might take the next step and become a revolutionary

A) You know nothing about my beliefs.
B) I never said beliefs were imutable and weren't in constant evolution.
C) Some beliefs are more general in direction - Libertarian and Anarchist? Similar ideas.

[Mosasauria]

As is most of science and atheistic theories.

Which definition of "hypothetical" are we going by?

Something that cannot be proved, yet is widely believed.

[Laerod]

because no one is posting the jewish point of view here.

Still though, in the thread of the religious survey, there were plenty of Jews. And yet, nobody criticized them. What's the matter, afraid of being called a Nazi? Because last time I checked, Hitler persecuted Christians, which he only said he was to appeal to the public, and he was secretly a cult member.

And in the abortion thread, Jews and Jewish interpretations of when life begins are being discussed. Your argument has failed empirical testing.

[Mosasauria]

You can't choose your beliefs?

Well maybe not you, because you are sheep, but I forge my own destiny
For Example, last year this time, I chose to a be a Libertarian
This year, I'm an Anarchist
And next Year I might take the next step and become a revolutionary

A) You know nothing about my beliefs.
B) I never said beliefs were imutable and weren't in constant evolution.
C) Some beliefs are more general in direction - Libertarian and Anarchist? Similar ideas.

Oh my gods, just get over it! Anybody can go to heaven, as long as they are a kind person and live by good morals. ANYBODY!!!

[Mosasauria]

Still though, in the thread of the religious survey, there were plenty of Jews. And yet, nobody criticized them. What's the matter, afraid of being called a Nazi? Because last time I checked, Hitler persecuted Christians, which he only said he was to appeal to the public, and he was secretly a cult member.

And in the abortion thread, Jews and Jewish interpretations of when life begins are being discussed. Your argument has failed empirical testing.

What do you mean?

[Laerod]

Which definition of "hypothetical" are we going by?

Something that cannot be proved, yet is widely believed.

Yeah, that's not what hypothetical means.

Though, in the interest of debate, could you list "most of science and atheistic theories" that apparently are widely believed yet cannot be proven?

[Farnhamia]

Which definition of "hypothetical" are we going by?

Something that cannot be proved, yet is widely believed.

So you're using the definition of "theory" that means "something I just pulled out of my nether regions, or guessed at." Good to know.

[Ashmoria]

yes

but what does it mean that is is THROUGH him?

As in to accept him into your heart and what-not.
Oh, and I love how people get so worked up over typos.

i didnt notice the typo

it is an interpretation that THROUGH him means accept him into you heart. it might mean any of a number of things including that because he came to earth and died EVERYONE gets into heaven because the way to heaven is now open through the actions of jesus (god himself fixing what went wrong at the beginning of humanity)

[Laerod]

And in the abortion thread, Jews and Jewish interpretations of when life begins are being discussed. Your argument has failed empirical testing.

What do you mean?

You're alleging no one's criticizing Jews for, why is it, the fear of being called a Nazi? That's not really the case in the abortion thread. The reason the Jewish worldview isn't being criticized here is because it hasn't come up, assuming it really hasn't been and the whole thing hasn't been buried in this thread.

[Laerod]

Something that cannot be proved, yet is widely believed.

So you're using the definition of "theory" that means "something I just pulled out of my nether regions, or guessed at." Good to know.

No, Farn, they're using the definition of "science or athiest theory" that means that.

[Mosasauria]

Something that cannot be proved, yet is widely believed.

Yeah, that's not what hypothetical means.

Though, in the interest of debate, could you list "most of science and atheistic theories" that apparently are widely believed yet cannot be proven?

1. Higgs-Boson Particle
2. Evolution(which I do believe is real, by the way)
3. Dark Matter
4. Dark Energy
5. Wormholes
6. Parralell Universes(And I don't mean it in the Hollywood sense)
7. The awesomeness of Chuck Norris(Just a joke )

[Ashmoria]

because no one is posting the jewish point of view here.

Interesting point
we are assuming not just an abrahamic god
But an exclusively christian god...

this actually is a wrench
Besides Jews don't have an afterlife concept, except for Orthodox Jews...but they are considered weird.

aye

i have no idea what it takes to make it to islamic heaven. maybe atheists are disqualified, i wouldnt know.