Can atheists go to Heaven?

[The State of Utah]

He proved God existed... but thats right your The scientist. you only belive in what something is not and because everything you see is not God therefore god cannot be anything. I see where you're coming from now.

A scientist tries to understand the world around him, and if there is something that he cannot understand or explain then he is modest enough too say three words that no religious person would say. I Don't Know.

oooo ooo I got a logical thing for you... Strawman falacy

[Unhealthy2]

But you could say:
She is my daughter so she has some of my genes.
Or:
I invented this religion, it contains some of my beliefs.

It can be used in certain contexts.

Only when coupled with additional information. On it's own, it cannot reach a conclusion and is therefore a fallacy.

[Genivar]

A scientist tries to understand the world around him, and if there is something that he cannot understand or explain then he is modest enough too say three words that no religious person would say. I Don't Know.

oooo ooo I got a logical thing for you... Strawman falacy

Where is the Strawman?

[The State of Utah]

Logicaly proove logic is true.

anybody going to answer my challenge?

[Gagatron]

But you could say:
She is my daughter so she has some of my genes.
Or:
I invented this religion, it contains some of my beliefs.

It can be used in certain contexts.

Obviously. The assertion that a given thing has a property of its origin is not always false.

The fallacy is that it's always true.

It is true in this context.
The human mind is flawed. It can have disease and can be broken down and destroyed, just like every other human body part.
If reason relies completely upon a mind that is flawed, then the reason cannot possibly be completely perfect.

[Unhealthy2]

It is true in this context.
The human mind is flawed. It can have disease and can be broken down and destroyed, just like every other human body part.
If reason relies completely upon a mind that is flawed, then the reason cannot possibly be completely perfect.

Why?

[The State of Utah]

oooo ooo I got a logical thing for you... Strawman falacy

Where is the Strawman?

The straw man is your comment about the scientist saying I don't know rather than the fact that Decartes actually belived that there at the very least precives by his thoughts that there is a God.

Edit: I belive I'm not a master at logic here.

[New Kereptica]

Decartes actually belived that there at the very least precives by his thoughts that there is a God.

A rather far cry from proving his existence, no?

[The State of Utah]

Decartes actually belived that there at the very least precives by his thoughts that there is a God.

A rather far cry from proving his existence, no?

He declared Gods existance, however he never declared his absolute faith in his line of thinking. I say Decarted proved it and then doubts his own line to reach it. It prooves the weakness in logic not God. funny that.

[Gagatron]

It is true in this context.
The human mind is flawed. It can have disease and can be broken down and destroyed, just like every other human body part.
If reason relies completely upon a mind that is flawed, then the reason cannot possibly be completely perfect.

Why?

Because reason, completely reliant on the mind, meets obstacles where the mind meets obstacles, and makes mistakes where the mind makes mistakes. That which the mind cannot handle, reason fails to handle, since reason is completely dependant on the mind.

[The State of Utah]

I think we hijacked this thread from Can atheists go to heaven to does God actualy exist.

[Unhealthy2]

Because reason, completely reliant on the mind, meets obstacles where the mind meets obstacles, and makes mistakes where the mind makes mistakes. That which the mind cannot handle, reason fails to handle, since reason is completely dependant on the mind.

Reason is a bit of an abstraction from the mind. Reason is only those instances of mental use that meet certain criteria. Hence, when someone thinks in a flawed manner, they aren't using reason to begin with.

[New Kereptica]

I say Decarted proved it

But you've no evidence of that?

[Gagatron]

Because reason, completely reliant on the mind, meets obstacles where the mind meets obstacles, and makes mistakes where the mind makes mistakes. That which the mind cannot handle, reason fails to handle, since reason is completely dependant on the mind.

Reason is a bit of an abstraction from the mind. Reason is only those instances of mental use that meet certain criteria. Hence, when someone thinks in a flawed manner, they aren't using reason to begin with.

Well then, no one uses reason.

[Eastern Kirgyzstan]

Religion itself is a misconception. Look, think of it. If no one ever had any religion or nothing to make them to the right things, there would be so much more violence in the world. The Bible, you buy one, it comes with taxes alright, taxes go to the government. There won't just be this random dumbass thing of light with no sense of intelligence at all and cannot even think the way we do because "none of it existed yet" because "God created the earth in 7 days" bullshit. Adam and Eve? A talking snake? Bullshit. Yes there is good and bad but it's like for example, I put some peanut butter on my friend, and some on the floor, and blame it on him. Well everyone is gonna say it's him because "it's on the floor, and on him" it's all bullshit simply. Do good or you SUFFER in hell, well seriously, just sounds like a scam. Bible = money to the goverment, religion = control of most of the population. Shit, look at the middle-east (no offense at all intended) but some of the middle-easterns would go and blow them selves up or commit terror attacks EVERYDAY. (not really just pointing that out to the middle-eastern, terrorism comes under in any skin). Anyways some of you people will bring out some "what they found"!
its called a HOAX kids and it can realllllly seem true. Spirituality? no doubt spirits exist, but religion itself is bullshit.

[The State of Utah]

I say Decarted proved it

But you've no evidence of that?

Study Decarte for yourself. Don't take my word for it.

[The State of Utah]

Religion itself is a misconception. Look, think of it. If no one ever had any religion or nothing to make them to the right things, there would be so much more violence in the world. The Bible, you buy one, it comes with taxes alright, taxes go to the government. There won't just be this random dumbass thing of light with no sense of intelligence at all and cannot even think the way we do because "none of it existed yet" because "God created the earth in 7 days" bullshit. Adam and Eve? A talking snake? Bullshit. Yes there is good and bad but it's like for example, I put some peanut butter on my friend, and some on the floor, and blame it on him. Well everyone is gonna say it's him because "it's on the floor, and on him" it's all bullshit simply. Do good or you SUFFER in hell, well seriously, just sounds like a scam. Bible = money to the goverment, religion = control of most of the population. Shit, look at the middle-east (no offense at all intended) but some of the middle-easterns would go and blow them selves up or commit terror attacks EVERYDAY. (not really just pointing that out to the middle-eastern, terrorism comes under in any skin). Anyways some of you people will bring out some "what they found"!
its called a HOAX kids and it can realllllly seem true. Spirituality? no doubt spirits exist, but religion itself is bullshit.

Thanks for your rant. I'll catolouge it somewhere under "usless drival that korahor would have said"

[Unhealthy2]

Well then, no one uses reason.

Yes they do. They just don't use it all the time. In fact, they don't use it most of the time.

[Isworld]

If God punishes people eternally for not believing in him, then he's a dick, and I don't want to spend eternity in his heaven.

My thoughts exactly.

[The State of Utah]

I find it funny that science is wrong untill proved right. and Logic is right untill proved wrong. hmm....

[The State of Utah]

Well then, no one uses reason.

Yes they do. They just don't use it all the time. In fact, they don't use it most of the time.

Isn't there some falacy in that or did you use perfect reason to arrive at that?

[Gagatron]

Well then, no one uses reason.

Yes they do. They just don't use it all the time. In fact, they don't use it most of the time.

No one's mind is ever working at full perfection. Therefore, by your argument, no one is ever using reason.

[New Kereptica]

Don't take my word for it.

I'm not. That's why I'm asking for evidence.

You made an assertion about what Descartes proved. Either support it with evidence or recant.

[Sociobiology]

Because reason, completely reliant on the mind, meets obstacles where the mind meets obstacles, and makes mistakes where the mind makes mistakes. That which the mind cannot handle, reason fails to handle, since reason is completely dependant on the mind.

Reason is a bit of an abstraction from the mind. Reason is only those instances of mental use that meet certain criteria. Hence, when someone thinks in a flawed manner, they aren't using reason to begin with.

what does the color ultraviolet look like to animals that can see it?
are all four of a horses feet ever off the ground when it runs?
is time discrete or infinitely divisible?
without experimentation logic cannot solve these.

[Unhealthy2]

I find it funny that science is wrong untill proved right. and Logic is right untill proved wrong. hmm....

No. Logic is self-consistent. It's just that the proof is rather tedious and obnoxious.