Can atheists go to Heaven?

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

Christians have a way of getting the message spread everywhere. Every continent has been visited by Christians. Even China is being visited by Christians right now secretly giving Bibles to Chinese people.

And all Christian basicall believe the same thing...No one gets to the father except through Jesus Christ.

you are living in a dream world

NO christianity wasnt spread to the rest of the world in an instant. its not even true TODAY that everyone gets preached to all over the world.

for 1500 years no inhabitant of the western hemisphere had any chance of learning about jesus. what about THEM? didnt god love THEM?

and no, not all christians believe that only christians get into heaven.

Not so fast. People in the Americas DID learn about Jesus and he visited them right after his resurrection "I have many other sheep to visit who are not of this fold"

[Ashmoria]

I've been doing some thinking.
This whole topic is retarded.
If anybody's going to heaven, it's up to God, and no person could decide, let alone know.
So I don't think I know if Atheists go to Heaven or not. It's up to God to decide, not me.

thats my contention.

a christian may suggest what he believes to be the best way to ensure salvation but in the end its up to god.

[Unhealthy2]

Not so fast. People in the Americas DID learn about Jesus and he visited them right after his resurrection "I have many other sheep to visit who are not of this fold"

Really? Mormonism? Seriously?

[Ashmoria]

you are living in a dream world

NO christianity wasnt spread to the rest of the world in an instant. its not even true TODAY that everyone gets preached to all over the world.

for 1500 years no inhabitant of the western hemisphere had any chance of learning about jesus. what about THEM? didnt god love THEM?

and no, not all christians believe that only christians get into heaven.

Not so fast. People in the Americas DID learn about Jesus and he visited them right after his resurrection "I have many other sheep to visit who are not of this fold"

im not interested in mormon fables.

[Gagatron]

Not so fast. People in the Americas DID learn about Jesus and he visited them right after his resurrection "I have many other sheep to visit who are not of this fold"

Really? Mormonism? Seriously?

Yes they have as much of a right to preach about God as anyone else.

[Ashmoria]

Really? Mormonism? Seriously?

Yes they have as much of a right to preach about God as anyone else.

they certainly do.

but they dont have the right to insist that we take their fables for the true pre-columbian history of the western hemisphere.

[Unhealthy2]

Yes they have as much of a right to preach about God as anyone else.

When did I say that they had no right to their beliefs? When did I even IMPLY that they had no right to their beliefs? Why is it that so many people can't seem to tell the subtle as sandpaper difference between finding a belief ridiculous and thinking that no one has the right to hold said belief?

[Gagatron]

Yes they have as much of a right to preach about God as anyone else.

they certainly do.

but they dont have the right to insist that we take their fables for the true pre-columbian history of the western hemisphere.

Please be respectful. To a Mormon reffering to their story as a "fable", could be very insulting, and we have to listen to other people with an open mind.

[Ashmoria]

Yes they have as much of a right to preach about God as anyone else.

besides

atheists CAN get into mormon heaven. in their theology you get another chance to repent after you die. once an atheist dies and finds out there IS a god, they are no longer atheists, eh?

[Gagatron]

Yes they have as much of a right to preach about God as anyone else.

When did I say that they had no right to their beliefs? When did I even IMPLY that they had no right to their beliefs? Why is it that so many people can't seem to tell the subtle as sandpaper difference between finding a belief ridiculous and thinking that no one has the right to hold said belief?

It's very easy to interpret your utter disdain for religion as intolerence. I apologize.

[Unhealthy2]

It's very easy to interpret your utter disdain for religion as intolerence. I apologize.

I am intolerant of religion. I'm very intolerant of irrationality. I'm just not intolerant of people holding irrational beliefs, nor do I wish for there to be legal discrimination against people with irrational beliefs, unless those beliefs are dangerous, for example, the belief that you must destroy the government because the canned food aisle of your local grocery store told you to do it in a dream.

[Ashmoria]

they certainly do.

but they dont have the right to insist that we take their fables for the true pre-columbian history of the western hemisphere.

Please be respectful. To a Mormon reffering to their story as a "fable", could be very insulting, and we have to listen to other people with an open mind.

no i dont.

there is nothing about the mormon story of jesus in the western hemisphere that is true.

[Gagatron]

It's very easy to interpret your utter disdain for religion as intolerence. I apologize.

I am intolerant of religion. I'm very intolerant of irrationality. I'm just not intolerant of people holding irrational beliefs, nor do I wish for there to be legal discrimination against people with irrational beliefs, unless those beliefs are dangerous, for example, the belief that you must destroy the government because the canned food aisle of your local grocery store told you to do it in a dream.

Well you're just as bad as any Christian fundamentalist out there who is completely intolerant of atheism. The fact is, religion exists, and it will exist for a very long time. You might as well accept it.

[Unhealthy2]

Well you're just as bad as any Christian fundamentalist out there who is completely intolerant of atheism.

No I'm not. Intolerance of irrationality is not equivalent to intolerance of rationality.

The fact is, religion exists, and it will exist for a very long time. You might as well accept it.

I know it exists. It's still silly.

[The State of Utah]

This applies not only to atheists, but any other believer to a non-christian faith.

I was having a chat with my friend(he's highly religious), and he told me that if "you don't have God in your heart, you'll go to Hell. No matter if you're good or not." I was thinking about, and well, it just doesn't make sense.. Take Gandhi for example. He was a leading figure in non-violent resistance. He protected the poor and stood up for their civil rights. When you think of peace, many people think of him. But he was Hindu. When he died, did God completely ignore evrything good Gandhi did, and focus on him being Hindu? No matter how good you are, if you're not Christian you'll go to Hell? Is that right NSG?

I'm sorry if I offened anyone, that is the last thing I wanted to do. This is not meant to be a flaming contest, so please, keep it clean.

NOTE:This is assuming God is real, and that a Heaven and Hell exist

I'm happy to announce that the Bible, being the divine book that it is... is an old book and has been changed dozens of times. However, I can promise you that everybody goes to a kind of heaven, except for those who saw God in his glory then worked against him on this earth to destroy his church or his will. They are the only real people who go to a place of real and lasting eternal torment.

but you won't really go to the highest Glory of God so it's a yes and no.

[The State of Utah]

Well you're just as bad as any Christian fundamentalist out there who is completely intolerant of atheism.

No I'm not. Intolerance of irrationality is not equivalent to intolerance of rationality.

The fact is, religion exists, and it will exist for a very long time. You might as well accept it.

I know it exists. It's still silly.

I belive athiests are just as silly as us believers. You have faith in nothingness and we have faith in somethingness. It's all very funny.

[Unhealthy2]

You have faith in nothingness

No I don't.

[Genivar]

Atheists do not have faith in *nothingness*, they don't have faith in anything. They put their hope in reason not faith.

[The State of Utah]

you are living in a dream world

NO christianity wasnt spread to the rest of the world in an instant. its not even true TODAY that everyone gets preached to all over the world.

for 1500 years no inhabitant of the western hemisphere had any chance of learning about jesus. what about THEM? didnt god love THEM?

and no, not all christians believe that only christians get into heaven.

Not so fast. People in the Americas DID learn about Jesus and he visited them right after his resurrection "I have many other sheep to visit who are not of this fold"

Hmmm you're a Mormon...

[Gagatron]

No I'm not. Intolerance of irrationality is not equivalent to intolerance of rationality.

Nothing irrational about belief in a creator.

I know it exists. It's still silly.

You gonna have to stop using that word. Not everything you dislike or disagree with is stupid.

[Gagatron]

Atheists do not have faith in *nothingness*, they don't have faith in anything. They put their hope in reason not faith.

It's unfortunate that reason is flawed and God is not.

[The State of Utah]

Atheists do not have faith in *nothingness*, they don't have faith in anything. They put their hope in reason not faith.

No... Faith is the believing in something, An atheist doesn't believe in a god, so they believe that there is no god. that is their faith Atheisim is a faith.

[Unhealthy2]

Nothing irrational about belief in a creator.

Believing in anything without rational justification is, by definition, irrational.

Not everything you dislike or disagree with is stupid.

Correct, but everything irrational is stupid.

[Genivar]

Atheists do not have faith in *nothingness*, they don't have faith in anything. They put their hope in reason not faith.

No... Faith is the believing in something, An atheist doesn't believe in a god, so they believe that there is no god. that is their faith Atheisim is a faith.

[The State of Utah]

Please be respectful. To a Mormon reffering to their story as a "fable", could be very insulting, and we have to listen to other people with an open mind.

no i dont.

there is nothing about the mormon story of jesus in the western hemisphere that is true.

That is very easliy disputable don't go casting out absolutes so quickly.