Can atheists go to Heaven?

[Conserative Morality]

There's a verse in the bible that condones the eating of shellfish, although I don't particularly like to eat it.
And there is also a verse in the Bible, (Ten Commandments?) that says to not kill.

Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

[Gagatron]

There's a verse in the bible that condones the eating of shellfish, although I don't particularly like to eat it.
And there is also a verse in the Bible, (Ten Commandments?) that says to not kill.

Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

That can be interpeted in many ways.

[Conserative Morality]

That can be interpeted in many ways.

You're right. It can mean you shouldn't allow witches to live, or perhaps it could mean....

...

What else, exactly?

[Conchobar Macnessa]

I'm no athiest, allow me to make that clear. I profess my religion and I'm a firm Christian.

There is no such God Gagatron. There is no such thing as a loving God and a hateful God, 'you cannot serve two masters' doesnt mean just being Godly and unGodly, but it also means, God is only one thing. Either he's loving or he's hateful. I am so glad it's not up to you to decide. I will not, as a firm Christian may I remind you, hold to the belief that it is impossible for an athiest to be good, simply because of ONE PSALM in the old testament

Well then, that's your choice. Be mindful, that's a slippery slope. Next you'll be disbelieving that Jesus is the only way to Heaven.
You must remember that the whole Bible is valid for Christianity, not just parts of it.

the Psalms prophesized of Jesus, and reaffirmed Mosaic law, they were not the new law that Jesus built in the New Testament. The Old Testament exists for these reasons: To Prophesy of Christ, to give types and likenesses of him to prepare the Children of Israel for his first and second coming, to remind us of where our lineage comes from, and to teach us that THE JEWS KNEW GOD FIRST.

intolerant Christians fail to remember this.

[Conchobar Macnessa]

That can be interpeted in many ways.

You're right. It can mean you shouldn't allow witches to live, or perhaps it could mean....

...

What else, exactly?

It means burning Summer Glau at the stake.

[Gagatron]

That can be interpeted in many ways.

You're right. It can mean you shouldn't allow witches to live, or perhaps it could mean....

...

What else, exactly?

Okay, you know what, you're RIGHT.
I give up.
Atheists go to Heaven. I don't really believe it but whatever.
There, happy?
I'm not fighting about this anymore, it's not like any human being could possibly know.

[Grave_n_idle]

And that's not an answer.

A god that is omnipotent can do anything, by definition. So it's not that he can't save even the sinners, it's that he won't - which means he's not ineffective - he's evil.

And an evil God that punishes mere mortals for their inherent flaws based on HIS designs, wouldn't be worthy of worship.

Man's flaws are man's fault. We create our own flaws, we create our own evil. We have the option from the time of birth to choose between the path to God or the path of destruction.

If anyone gets into hell it's his own fault.

Horseshit on a number of levels.

If man is flawed FROM BIRTH, then a man cannot be responsible for his own flaws, QED.

If we cannot be saved but by grace, then we are intrinsically flawed from birth.

So - either god is lying about the need for salvation by grace - or we were built evil, and thus, not responsible for it.


As to whether or not we have the option to choose the path to god or destruction - if you believe you can choose, then why don't you change your belief now? I don't believe it can be done.

[Grave_n_idle]

...it's not like any human being could possibly know.

First thing you have said which is anything other than mere belief.

[Conserative Morality]

Okay, you know what, you're RIGHT.
I give up.
Atheists go to Heaven.
There, happy?
I'm not fighting about this anymore, it's not like any human being could possibly know.

Ah, sweet, sweet victory. Too bad I don't believe in heaven, looks like I'm not going there after all.

[Grave_n_idle]

Do you eat shellfish? Do you fail to kill every Wiccan you meet?

There's a verse in the bible that condones the eating of shellfish, although I don't particularly like to eat it.
And there is also a verse in the Bible, (Ten Commandments?) that says to not kill.

So God contradicts himself?

[Tritonalia]

In the Divine Comedy, Dante wrote that unbelievers would be banished to the first circle of Hell. The first plane, Limbo, is likened much to the Greek 'Fields of Asphodel'; nothing bad happens, but it's just incredibly, incredibly boring.

In short, the only way to get to heaven is through Jesus, and atheists completely reject him. So no, atheists wouldn't go to heaven.

[The Alma Mater]

In the Divine Comedy, Dante wrote that unbelievers would be banished to the first circle of Hell. The first plane, Limbo, is likened much to the Greek 'Fields of Asphodel'; nothing bad happens, but it's just incredibly, incredibly boring.

In short, the only way to get to heaven is through Jesus, and atheists completely reject him. So no, atheists wouldn't go to heaven.

But we will be together with the Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Romans, Celts etc ?
Well. Enough people to play cards with at least

[Galloism]

In the Divine Comedy, Dante wrote that unbelievers would be banished to the first circle of Hell. The first plane, Limbo, is likened much to the Greek 'Fields of Asphodel'; nothing bad happens, but it's just incredibly, incredibly boring.

In short, the only way to get to heaven is through Jesus, and atheists completely reject him. So no, atheists wouldn't go to heaven.

But we will be together with the Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Romans, Celts etc ?
Well. Enough people to play cards with at least

Sorry, no cards are available, and there are no materials to make them.

[Conserative Morality]

Sorry, no cards are available, and there are no materials to make them.

Human cards.

[Galloism]

Sorry, no cards are available, and there are no materials to make them.

Human cards.

Sounds hard to conceal your hand.

Even harder to keep a card up your sleeve.

[Nazistisches Reich]

What a petty being.

What? Wouldn't you be upset if someone COMPLETELY disregarded your existence, and then proceded to try and reap the rewards of your love AFTER it was too late?
God's just being just.

Well I would actually talk to people so they would know I was real not have people write a book from which I told them to do but gave no proof that it was actually me telling them and then expect everyone to beleive me. I also if was all knowing and powerful wouldnt have made jealousy and hate and greed and anything else emotions so my angels like lucifer wouldnt have those emotions and in return rebel. And if I knew someone was going to rebel I wouldnt make them my right hand man and then act surprised when they rebel and kick them out.

[Grave_n_idle]

In the Divine Comedy, Dante wrote that unbelievers would be banished to the first circle of Hell. The first plane, Limbo, is likened much to the Greek 'Fields of Asphodel'; nothing bad happens, but it's just incredibly, incredibly boring.

In short, the only way to get to heaven is through Jesus, and atheists completely reject him. So no, atheists wouldn't go to heaven.

Dante counts as scripture, now?

[Tzakaroz]

If you're an atheist and God loves you so much for your virtue, maybe if you are on the point of death, he could save you and give you a chance to accept Jesus as your savior. (I happen to be a Catholic, and this is just some random idea that came into my head...If it does happen...lucky you...)

[Nazistisches Reich]

If you're an atheist and God loves you so much for your virtue, maybe if you are on the point of death, he could save you and give you a chance to accept Jesus as your savior. (I happen to be a Catholic, and this is just some random idea that came into my head...If it does happen...lucky you...)

Or maybe when Im on the verge of death Ill pray to allah for forgiveness that way when I die and if hes real I can get 72virgins to do with what I want rather than a house made of gold.

[The Alma Mater]

Human cards.

Sounds hard to conceal your hand.

Even harder to keep a card up your sleeve.

Strip skin off, dye with blood.

Heck - we are in hell already. Who cares

[Nazistisches Reich]

Sounds hard to conceal your hand.

Even harder to keep a card up your sleeve.

Strip skin off, dye with blood.

Heck - we are in hell already. Who cares

So as a buddhist Im curious as to what you beleive happens to someone when they die if their buddhist and if their not.

[South Lorenya]

On a side note...

"In everything, do to others as you would have them do to you." - Jesus (Matthew 7:12, if you care)

So if jehovallahweh sends people to hell then wouldn't that mean he wouldn't mind being sent to hell?

[Gagatron]

I've been doing some thinking.
This whole topic is retarded.
If anybody's going to heaven, it's up to God, and no person could decide, let alone know.
So I don't think I know if Atheists go to Heaven or not. It's up to God to decide, not me.

[Nazistisches Reich]

On a side note...

"In everything, do to others as you would have them do to you." - Jesus (Matthew 7:12, if you care)

So if jehovallahweh sends people to hell then wouldn't that mean he wouldn't mind being sent to hell?

[Conchobar Macnessa]

Agreed. I just don't think that he automatically condemns one that doesn't necessarily profess they're a believer. I think he gives folk a chance, that's all I'm saying