Can atheists go to Heaven?

[Dystopianus]

Not sure. The bible says that one should serve only one god and such, but the bible also says God is forgiving. So if an atheist did live a life being compassionate and forgiving, and if an atheist does regret his views on religion, then maybe God will give him mercy and send him to heaven after all. Maybe. We'll never know, only the Father himself knows.

[Grave_n_idle]

Ah, Nana-chan... with God, all things are possible.

You have a point. Yet, if one is to strictly go by the Bible, an atheist can't go to heaven.

But does it truly matter? Atheists do not believe in God, so why would a concept of heaven or hell matter to them?

Going strictly by the Bible, there is no reason why an Atheist shouldn't go to heaven. An omnipotent god, that claims all things are possible... no matter what restrictions might exist, there's nothing that can absolutely exclude even an Atheist, with THAT kind of (grace and) ability to re-shape the rules.

As to why it matters? I don't 'believe' in Star Wars. Heck, I don't even much care for the franchise - but if the conversation is about whether or not Yoda is Luke's father, I've got an opinion, and it's based in the material, you know?

[South Lorenya]

Come to think of it, thanks to my being semi-paranoid over computer security I don't think I ever got a virus.

...does that means that I'm sin-free?

I run linux.

Clearly I am inherently superior to you.

All hail the sinless ubermensch!

You shall pay dearly for that, you... you... LINUXITE! Sadly, someone will take this post seriously.

[Kaputer]

Eh just become a deist.

[New Kereptica]

You shall pay dearly for that, you... you... LINUXITE! Sadly, someone will take this post seriously.

Eliminate Unix?

[South Lorenya]

You shall pay dearly for that, you... you... LINUXITE! Sadly, someone will take this post seriously.

Eliminate Unix?

And all former unix users will be forced to run vista -- without any patches -- and connect with AOL.

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

Sorry, but the Holy Trinity, IN THE OPINION OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE, does not exist. The Godhead which consists of God, the father and His son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, IN THE OPINION OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE, however, does.

There is, IN THE OPINION OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE, no biblical references to the Trinity, however, IN THE OPINION OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE, there are MANY references to the Godhead, 2 of which I have previously posted.

Fixed.

True, there is a certain amount of interpretation of the Bible that one must do. However, in the regular KJV as it is translated into my native language of English, makes no mention of a Trinity, only a Godhead.

Now, since this debate is not about the Trinity vs. the Godhead, I will move along.

[La-La Landsville]

I asked a Catholic nun about this, and she more or less shoulder-shrugged it. God has said that following Jesus and worshipping Him is the way to Heaven, but He also says His mercy knows no bounds, so... Who really knows? We'll just have to wait and find out on our own, I guess.

[New Kereptica]

And all former unix users will be forced to run vista -- without any patches -- and connect with AOL.

Good god.

[The Alma Mater]

Eliminate Unix?

And all former unix users will be forced to run vista -- without any patches -- and connect with AOL.

So ? They can rewrite linux from scratch They have an eternity.

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

I asked a Catholic nun about this, and she more or less shoulder-shrugged it. God has said that following Jesus and worshipping Him is the way to Heaven, but He also says His mercy knows no bounds, so... Who really knows? We'll just have to wait and find out on our own, I guess.

Yes, Father is full of mercy and love. It is inconceivable to me that He would send us to earth, allow us our free agency, know we will sin, and then punish us for all eternity for sinning. This is the reason Jesus Christ was sent. To atone for our sins and open the gate to the path that leads us all back to Father.

Now, following Christ IS the way to ETERNAL LIFE, which means living in the presence of Father. However, even the most vile, evil and unrepentant will go to "heaven" as it is compared to our Earthly existence.

[Hoffmanm]

[irony]THANKS GOD[/irony] Im am a atheist and not a stupid religous that create such pointless and even more stupid topic,

Nice, let's assume there is a heaven, who will have more chance? Someone who goes to the church on every sundays but during the week still do "bad" things, or a atheist tha dont even pass in front a church but doenst do anything wrong?

Wars, murderes, intolerance, are made in name of god, how many wars was made in name of Darwin?

[The Alma Mater]

I asked a Catholic nun about this, and she more or less shoulder-shrugged it. God has said that following Jesus and worshipping Him is the way to Heaven, but He also says His mercy knows no bounds, so... Who really knows? We'll just have to wait and find out on our own, I guess.

Yes, Father is full of mercy and love.

Indeed. That is why so many species survive by eating the young of others

[Ashmoria]

interesting non-biblically based concept but isnt that a tad weird since jesus IS god and god IS jesus?

No. Jesus is Jesus and God is God. They are 2 separate beings.

When Jesus was baptized, a voice was heard from heaven "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased" Was Jesus a ventriloquist?

When Jesus prayed in the Garden "Father please take this cup from me, but not my will but thine be done" Who is he talking to?

oh my bad.

i made the assumption that you were of the vast majority of christian thought that includes the trinity as a basic tenet.

[New Kereptica]

[irony]THANKS GOD[/irony] Im am a atheist and not a stupid religous that create such pointless and even more stupid topic,

Nice, let's assume there is a heaven, who will have more chance? Someone who goes to the church on every sundays but during the week still do "bad" things, or a atheist tha dont even pass in front a church but doenst do anything wrong?

Wars, murderes, intolerance, are made in name of god, how many wars was made in name of Darwin?

Aye.

But how many in the name of grammar? Too few.

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

[irony]THANKS GOD[/irony] Im am a atheist and not a stupid religous that create such pointless and even more stupid topic,

Nice, let's assume there is a heaven, who will have more chance? Someone who goes to the church on every sundays but during the week still do "bad" things, or a atheist tha dont even pass in front a church but doenst do anything wrong?

Wars, murderes, intolerance, are made in name of god, how many wars was made in name of Darwin?

In that scenario, the Atheist will PROBABLY* get to heaven (under a few conditions).

*I say probably because we are not capable of eternal judgement.

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

No. Jesus is Jesus and God is God. They are 2 separate beings.

When Jesus was baptized, a voice was heard from heaven "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased" Was Jesus a ventriloquist?

When Jesus prayed in the Garden "Father please take this cup from me, but not my will but thine be done" Who is he talking to?

oh my bad.

i made the assumption that you were of the vast majority of christian thought that includes the trinity as a basic tenet.

Nope. Not me.

[Desperate Measures]

[irony]THANKS GOD[/irony] Im am a atheist and not a stupid religous that create such pointless and even more stupid topic,

Nice, let's assume there is a heaven, who will have more chance? Someone who goes to the church on every sundays but during the week still do "bad" things, or a atheist tha dont even pass in front a church but doenst do anything wrong?

Wars, murderes, intolerance, are made in name of god, how many wars was made in name of Darwin?

Would that I could pass the day without being reminded of my time riding the back of tortoises with laser mounts as we marched to war against against the heathens and godless cormorants on the Isle of Galapagos! Damn you for releasing such vile memories.

[Ashmoria]

I asked a Catholic nun about this, and she more or less shoulder-shrugged it. God has said that following Jesus and worshipping Him is the way to Heaven, but He also says His mercy knows no bounds, so... Who really knows? We'll just have to wait and find out on our own, I guess.

well yeah

if someone should ask a christian how to get into heaven a christian would answer that one should believe in jesus and follow his teachings.

that doesnt mean that it is the ONLY way or that god is limited to the words of the bible.

[New Kereptica]

Would that I could pass the day without being reminded of my time riding the back of tortoises with laser mounts as we marched to war against against the heathens and godless cormorants on the Isle of Galapagos! Damn you for releasing such vile memories.

I lost my eyes in that war.

That senseless, senseless war.

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

Yes, Father is full of mercy and love.

Indeed. That is why so many species survive by eating the young of others

In the animal kingdom, they do what they must to survive. We, however, are of a divine heritage. That is why it is acceptable for the animal kingdom to kill at will, but not acceptable for Man to MURDER* Man.


*There is a subtle difference between Man killing Man and Man Committing MURDER

[Dystopianus]

how many wars was made in name of Darwin?

*Names all the flamewars on the internet because of Darwin

[The Alma Mater]

Indeed. That is why so many species survive by eating the young of others

In the animal kingdom, they do what they must to survive. We, however, are of a divine heritage. That is why it is acceptable for the animal kingdom to kill at will, but not acceptable for Man to MURDER* Man.


*There is a subtle difference between Man killing Man and Man Committing MURDER

Hmmm - are you saying God did not design nature to be as cruel as it is, or that nature is not cruel at all - it is just that it seems cruel in our eyes because we antropomorphy it ?

[Desperate Measures]

Would that I could pass the day without being reminded of my time riding the back of tortoises with laser mounts as we marched to war against against the heathens and godless cormorants on the Isle of Galapagos! Damn you for releasing such vile memories.

I lost my eyes in that war.

That senseless, senseless war.

Lasers aren't even weapon grade, yet! Why? Why did we mount lasers on turtles?

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

In the animal kingdom, they do what they must to survive. We, however, are of a divine heritage. That is why it is acceptable for the animal kingdom to kill at will, but not acceptable for Man to MURDER* Man.


*There is a subtle difference between Man killing Man and Man Committing MURDER

Hmmm - are you saying God did not design nature to be as cruel as it is, or that nature is not cruel at all - it is just that it seems cruel in our eyes because we antropomorphy it ?

Nature is not cruel. We see it as cruel because we project the human experience on the animal kingdom. (if that is what antropomorphy is then yeah)