Can atheists go to Heaven?

[Geniasis]

nice paraphrase.

*shrug*

I dunno. I feel like if we tried to put the things said in the Bible in more modern phrasing, we'd actually get the parts where we're told not to act so entitled, because we sure as hell haven't done anything to deserve it.

[Ashmoria]

nice paraphrase.

*shrug*

I dunno. I feel like if we tried to put the things said in the Bible in more modern phrasing, we'd actually get the parts where we're told not to act so entitled, because we sure as hell haven't done anything to deserve it.

yeah. the meaning gets lost in the old fashioned language.

[Glorious Freedonia]

Only the most fanatical atheist could be in Heaven. You have to be pretty extreme to continue in your wicked atheist ways when confronted with proof of the Lord's existence and you are like in his house and stuff.

[Sucrati]

How can someone go to a place that doesn't exist? - Logical Question from a Christian about Atheist not Believing in God or Gods

[Galloism]

Entering into Heaven requires repentance. Repentance requires restitution. You cannot pay restitution for murder.

As for the second part, the atonement of Jesus Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane removed the REQUIREMENT for us to pay for our sins and opened the door to MERCY. The suffering also gave Jesus an very important trait; perfect empathy. As He will stand with us at the Judgement day as our ADVOCATE, He will be able to convince Father to give us mercy, since JUSTICE was already paid. True, we will all give an account; we will see our lives and our unrepentant sins will be as scarlet, but mercy will play a HUGE part in Judgement day.

interesting non-biblically based concept but isnt that a tad weird since jesus IS god and god IS jesus?

No, because the bible does not support the notion of the trinity.

Unless, of course, God is really schizophrenic, and so good at it he fooled everyone at the time.

[Buffett and Colbert]

How can someone go to a place that doesn't exist? - Logical Question from a Christian about Atheist not Believing in God or Gods

Well for the purpose of the thread, I think we're assuming it does. But that atheists don't believe so.

[Ashmoria]

interesting non-biblically based concept but isnt that a tad weird since jesus IS god and god IS jesus?

No, because the bible does not support the notion of the trinity.

Unless, of course, God is really schizophrenic, and so good at it he fooled everyone at the time.

as long as you understand that you have negated the trinity, fine. if you are still supporting the idea of the trinity, weird.

[Galloism]

No, because the bible does not support the notion of the trinity.

Unless, of course, God is really schizophrenic, and so good at it he fooled everyone at the time.

as long as you understand that you have negated the trinity, fine. if you are still supporting the idea of the trinity, weird.

Of course I do. Biblically, the trinity is unsupportable, along with a whole host of other things that many churches teach.

That has little bearing on personal beliefs or actions, but I am reasonably well studied on the subject, so I might as well inform you.

[East Fancainia]

Depends on which religion we're talking about. Last time I check, Christianity was not the end all beat all of Religions.

[Consaria]

Sins are like computer viruses. You can ask for the antivirus software to delete them, and you will be fine. But if you don't, you won't be fine. It doesn't matter how well you take care of your computer. It won't make the virus go away without antivirus software.

[Galloism]

Sins are like computer viruses. You can ask for the antivirus software to delete them, and you will be fine. But if you don't, you won't be fine. It doesn't matter how well you take care of your computer. It won't make the virus go away without antivirus software.

This is literally the worst illustration involving the ransom I have ever seen.

Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

Their braincells broke and fled.

[Ashmoria]

as long as you understand that you have negated the trinity, fine. if you are still supporting the idea of the trinity, weird.

Of course I do. Biblically, the trinity is unsupportable, along with a whole host of other things that many churches teach.

That has little bearing on personal beliefs or actions, but I am reasonably well studied on the subject, so I might as well inform you.

yes but do you think that jesus will stand before god as your advocate?

[Galloism]

Of course I do. Biblically, the trinity is unsupportable, along with a whole host of other things that many churches teach.

That has little bearing on personal beliefs or actions, but I am reasonably well studied on the subject, so I might as well inform you.

yes but do you think that jesus will stand before god as your advocate?

Me? Heh, not a chance. Have you been reading the things I've been posting since I joined? My oblivion is quite certain, and no advocacy will help.

As a general concept, however, biblically, Christ is supposed to be the judge, along with the 144,000 judges bought from the earth. His human experience, and his corulers, likely could give them empathy for mankind in their judging.

If true, the whole plan is rather well thought out. However, I don't think "advocate" is the word I'd choose, no.

[Kreigan]

C.S. Lewis isn't the authority, the simple fact is that Jesus paid for our sins with his death, thus only through him can one enter heaven free of sin - if you don't accept Jesus in your heart as your saviour then you still owe Satan for your sins.

Well I'm glad we have the authoritative answer now. See everyone at the big atheist picnic in hell!

Alright Ill bring the flaming demonic potato salad!!

[Kreigan]

Only the most fanatical atheist could be in Heaven. You have to be pretty extreme to continue in your wicked atheist ways when confronted with proof of the Lord's existence and you are like in his house and stuff.

Why is athiesm wicked yet its religon thats persecuted tortured and slaughtered people for not having the same beleifs when athiests just do what they have to do in life knowing they themselves have to work hard to acheive good things not by praying to a being who doesnt answer back yet in the bible jesus says god will answer you.

[Kreigan]

Through studies and conversations with those studying Christianity above my level, the impression I get is that non-believers of all types CAN go to Heaven. Entering Heaven itself is a conscious decision, you have to actually want to go there, and you may be able to make that choice after you die before you end up in either of the places. That said, if you want to go to Heaven you might have to follow Christian doctrines, which may or may not be a good thing for that person, never mind there are so many denominations of Christian we might have to find out which one is 'right' about Heaven and 'proper Christian doctrine' to get it, but that's how I understand it.

But see that wouldnt make sense, no Athiest like myself is going to WANT to go to heaven when we dontbeleive it exists. Thats like making up a fictional country and saying I want to be there when you know it doesnt exist.

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

Entering into Heaven requires repentance. Repentance requires restitution. You cannot pay restitution for murder.

As for the second part, the atonement of Jesus Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane removed the REQUIREMENT for us to pay for our sins and opened the door to MERCY. The suffering also gave Jesus an very important trait; perfect empathy. As He will stand with us at the Judgement day as our ADVOCATE, He will be able to convince Father to give us mercy, since JUSTICE was already paid. True, we will all give an account; we will see our lives and our unrepentant sins will be as scarlet, but mercy will play a HUGE part in Judgement day.

interesting non-biblically based concept but isnt that a tad weird since jesus IS god and god IS jesus?

No. Jesus is Jesus and God is God. They are 2 separate beings.

When Jesus was baptized, a voice was heard from heaven "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased" Was Jesus a ventriloquist?

When Jesus prayed in the Garden "Father please take this cup from me, but not my will but thine be done" Who is he talking to?

[St George of England]

interesting non-biblically based concept but isnt that a tad weird since jesus IS god and god IS jesus?

No. Jesus is Jesus and God is God. They are 2 separate beings.

When Jesus was baptized, a voice was heard from heaven "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased" Was Jesus a ventriloquist?

When Jesus prayed in the Garden "Father please take this cup from me, but not my will but thine be done" Who is he talking to?

Holy. Trinity.

[Zetion]

So me, Ghandi, and the majority of the population of Asia, India, and Africa will be kicking it with the Devil if God exists.

That doesnt seem half bad

[St George of England]

So me, Ghandi, and the majority of the population of Asia, India, and Africa will be kicking it with the Devil if God exists.

That doesnt seem half bad

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

yes but do you think that jesus will stand before god as your advocate?

Me? Heh, not a chance. Have you been reading the things I've been posting since I joined? My oblivion is quite certain, and no advocacy will help.

As a general concept, however, biblically, Christ is supposed to be the judge, along with the 144,000 judges bought from the earth. His human experience, and his corulers, likely could give them empathy for mankind in their judging.

If true, the whole plan is rather well thought out. However, I don't think "advocate" is the word I'd choose, no.

1st John Chapter 2 verse 1,2:

1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

No. Jesus is Jesus and God is God. They are 2 separate beings.

When Jesus was baptized, a voice was heard from heaven "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased" Was Jesus a ventriloquist?

When Jesus prayed in the Garden "Father please take this cup from me, but not my will but thine be done" Who is he talking to?

Holy. Trinity.

Sorry, but the Holy Trinity does not exist. The Godhead which consists of God, the father and His son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, however, does.

There is no biblical references to the Trinity, however there are MANY references to the Godhead, 2 of which I have previously posted.

[South Lorenya]

Sins are like computer viruses. You can ask for the antivirus software to delete them, and you will be fine. But if you don't, you won't be fine. It doesn't matter how well you take care of your computer. It won't make the virus go away without antivirus software.

Come to think of it, thanks to my being semi-paranoid over computer security I don't think I ever got a virus.

...does that means that I'm sin-free?

[New Kereptica]

Come to think of it, thanks to my being semi-paranoid over computer security I don't think I ever got a virus.

...does that means that I'm sin-free?

I run linux.

Clearly I am inherently superior to you.

All hail the sinless ubermensch!

[St George of England]

Holy. Trinity.

Sorry, but the Holy Trinity, IN THE OPINION OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE, does not exist. The Godhead which consists of God, the father and His son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, IN THE OPINION OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE, however, does.

There is, IN THE OPINION OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE, no biblical references to the Trinity, however, IN THE OPINION OF MY INTERPRETATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE, there are MANY references to the Godhead, 2 of which I have previously posted.

Fixed.