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Can atheists go to Heaven?

Postby Third Mexican Empire » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:23 pm

This applies not only to atheists, but any other believer to a non-christian faith.

I was having a chat with my friend(he's highly religious), and he told me that if "you don't have God in your heart, you'll go to Hell. No matter if you're good or not." I was thinking about, and well, it just doesn't make sense.. Take Gandhi for example. He was a leading figure in non-violent resistance. He protected the poor and stood up for their civil rights. When you think of peace, many people think of him. But he was Hindu. When he died, did God completely ignore evrything good Gandhi did, and focus on him being Hindu? No matter how good you are, if you're not Christian you'll go to Hell? Is that right NSG?

I'm sorry if I offened anyone, that is the last thing I wanted to do. This is not meant to be a flaming contest, so please, keep it clean.

NOTE:This is assuming God is real, and that a Heaven and Hell exist
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Postby UCUMAY » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:25 pm

According to the bible... No. A follower must come on to Jesus like the children and believe whole hearted. Repent and Ask forgiveness when you sin. ect.

But then again who ever said I'm christian...
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:25 pm

sure

but they will be wicked surprised.
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Postby Trippoli » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:26 pm

If god is unforgiving like most people say than Gandhi is roasting in hell right now :p poor him
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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:26 pm

The way to heaven is through Jesus, accept him as your saviour.

That said, one can really argue what one likes on this subject given the scripture seems to be a pick n' mix affair for so many followers.
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Postby Laerod » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:29 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:When he died, did God completely ignore evrything good Gandhi did, and focus on him being Hindu?

I'm amused by the notion that there is an answer to this question.

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Postby Qwcasd » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:30 pm

If a man is honestly and atheists, and has reason in his mind that there is no God, I don't see why he should go to hell. Even C.S. Lewis thinks that.

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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:31 pm

Laerod wrote:
Third Mexican Empire wrote:When he died, did God completely ignore evrything good Gandhi did, and focus on him being Hindu?

I'm amused by the notion that there is an answer to this question.

What is it?

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Postby CorruptDictators » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:31 pm

Reversal of the Pascal's Wager:

If god exists and god is benevolent and you are a good person who disbelieves, you will be fine
If god exists and god is benevolent and you are a hypocrite who claims to believe but does not you may not be fine
If god exists and god is malevolent and you are a good person who disbelieves, you may not be fine
If god exists and god is malevolent and you are a hypocrite who claims to believe but does not you will likely be greatly punished
If god does not exist and you are a good person who disbelieves then you have a net gain (You help yourself instead of waiting for god to help you)
If god does not exist and you are a hypocrite who claims to believe but does not you have a net loss (Untruthfulness to self)
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Postby Laerod » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:33 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:
Laerod wrote:I'm amused by the notion that there is an answer to this question.

What is it?

Ø

To clarify, no one here is going to be able to answer that question.
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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:34 pm

Qwcasd wrote:If a man is honestly and atheists, and has reason in his mind that there is no God, I don't see why he should go to hell. Even C.S. Lewis thinks that.


C.S. Lewis isn't the authority, the simple fact is that Jesus paid for our sins with his death, thus only through him can one enter heaven free of sin - if you don't accept Jesus in your heart as your saviour then you still owe Satan for your sins.
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Postby Plutonium Blondes » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:37 pm

Barringtonia wrote:C.S. Lewis isn't the authority, the simple fact is that Jesus paid for our sins with his death, thus only through him can one enter heaven free of sin - if you don't accept Jesus in your heart as your saviour then you still owe Satan for your sins.

Well I'm glad we have the authoritative answer now. See everyone at the big atheist picnic in hell!
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Postby Meryuma » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:38 pm

If God punishes people eternally for not believing in him, then he's a dick, and I don't want to spend eternity in his heaven.
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Postby New Manvir » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:39 pm

If not, then God is a total dick. That makes me think that God must be some sort of Fascist dictator and hell is his concentration camp. In which case hell should overthrow him in some sort of people's revolution.

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:39 pm

Barringtonia wrote:
Qwcasd wrote:If a man is honestly and atheists, and has reason in his mind that there is no God, I don't see why he should go to hell. Even C.S. Lewis thinks that.


C.S. Lewis isn't the authority, the simple fact is that Jesus paid for our sins with his death, thus only through him can one enter heaven free of sin - if you don't accept Jesus in your heart as your saviour then you still owe Satan for your sins.


you are such a protestant!

you need to be baptised and a faithful member of the roman catholic church.

....

should god exist it is up to GOD who goes to heaven. the bible doesnt decide, the minister doesnt decide, the pope doesnt decide. as a christian one should accept that the way of jesus is the best way for a christian to get into heaven. it is wrong to suggest that you know the mind of god enough to say who is and who isnt getting in. (generic you)
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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:39 pm

Plutonium Blondes wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:C.S. Lewis isn't the authority, the simple fact is that Jesus paid for our sins with his death, thus only through him can one enter heaven free of sin - if you don't accept Jesus in your heart as your saviour then you still owe Satan for your sins.

Well I'm glad we have the authoritative answer now. See everyone at the big atheist picnic in hell!


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Postby New Manvir » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:40 pm

Meryuma wrote:If God punishes people eternally for not believing in him, then he's a dick, and I don't want to spend eternity in his heaven.


Not to mention, Heaven would be a PG shit-hole.
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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:42 pm

Meryuma wrote:If God punishes people eternally for not believing in him, then he's a dick, and I don't want to spend eternity in his heaven.

That's what I said

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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:46 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:
C.S. Lewis isn't the authority, the simple fact is that Jesus paid for our sins with his death, thus only through him can one enter heaven free of sin - if you don't accept Jesus in your heart as your saviour then you still owe Satan for your sins.


you are such a protestant!

you need to be baptised and a faithful member of the roman catholic church.

....

should god exist it is up to GOD who goes to heaven. the bible doesnt decide, the minister doesnt decide, the pope doesnt decide. as a christian one should accept that the way of jesus is the best way for a christian to get into heaven. it is wrong to suggest that you know the mind of god enough to say who is and who isnt getting in. (generic you)


Jesus said it and Jesus is the Son of God.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:6

One might argue whether Jesus meant it or said it or how it's to be interpreted but the Christian faith is pretty much based on the idea that Jesus died to pay our sins so we may enter heaven. It's hard to argue on the point no matter how liberal Christians try to wimp it down to be more acceptable round the dinner table.

There's plenty of rules in the Bible one could possibly take with a pinch of salt (..said Lot ruefully..) but, really, as a Christian one has to accept that the only way to heaven is through him, it's pretty much the basis on which God sent him down to die so he could pay for our sins.
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Postby United Gackle » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:47 pm

I don't believe in heaven or hell sooooooo Ya there is no heaven to go too :roll:
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Postby Techno-Kat » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:51 pm

New Manvir wrote:If not, then God is a total dick. That makes me think that God must be some sort of Fascist dictator and hell is his concentration camp. In which case hell should overthrow him in some sort of people's revolution.

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Postby Hornopolis » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:52 pm

That's a real half-wit question.
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Postby UCDF » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:52 pm

OF COURSE YOU CAN'T GO TO HEAVEN IF YOUR ATIEST. YOU PEOPLE INSIST IT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST. :palm:
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Postby Saurisia » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:53 pm

Nah, according to the Bible, those who don't accept Jesus as their Savior wind up in the other spot... which is not a place someone would be willing to spend an eternity in! :lol:
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