End of Porsche

[Kyronea]

Good grief, Cruci, you sound like a loon. Lay off the funny cheese.

[Grave_n_idle]

Wah. Get a tissue.

Uh huh.

So, merely pointing out that you're making specific, personal attacks, on me as an individual - earns a sensitive "Wah" response... but suggesting that collectively, people buy expensive-looking, sporty cars (that are sold as sex symbols) because they're trying to promote some kind of sexual image they otherwise do not feel is pronounced enough... earns a half a page of ranting and denial.

Hypocrisy, thy name is "Cannot think of a name".

You totally could have done better with that last line. I'm terribly disappointed.

You do realize that if buying a car specifically for the name and that people would associate it to sex is pathetic, then avoiding it for the same reason would be equally pathetic, right?

In your rants about expensive cars, you seem to ignore when cars by the same name aren't (as in $900). It seems your problem isn't that they're expensive, but that they carry the name. If you were really trying to be rational, you would be talking about value. You aren't.

The last line was kinda lame, yes. I'll admit, I was looking at it and thinking how it could have greater impact, but I had work to do (which I was posting between) and a biting riposte came second to getting the weekly figures done. My apologies can be considered submitted.

The problem isn't the expense of the car - it is the perception of expense of the car, as ONE aspect.

Yes, someone might buy the 'premium' model for only $900 dollars (although, I suspect that's a rarity) - but the reason why that would be considered 'a bargain' is because people will LOOK at your $900 dollar car, and NOT jump to the conclusion that it cost you $900. They'll assume you dropped a substantial sum on it, thereby granting you the appearance of conspicuous consumption.

Last point - I didn't say I avoided buying expensive-(looking-)cars because people will associate it with sex. I avoid buying expensive looking cars because they tend to be expensive, they tend to have the exact opposite characteristic to those I desire ina car... AND I don't have anything to compensate for, so there's no pressure to buy a penis-replacement.

[Grave_n_idle]

You know why the "sports car = compensating" cliche IS a cliche? Because I didn't just come up with it to piss people off in this thread.

You know why the "black people=criminals" cliche is a cliche? Because I didn't just come up with it to piss people off in this thread. Does that make it valid?

I don't think it's of much use to argue with him, being the same person who tried to convince me that I should be open to having anal sex because he'd heard that other people liked it.

Never mind the fact that I simply find even the thought of it disgusting.

Meanwhile, on planet WTF...?

[Grave_n_idle]

You know why the "sports car = compensating" cliche IS a cliche? Because I didn't just come up with it to piss people off in this thread.

You know why the "black people=criminals" cliche is a cliche? Because I didn't just come up with it to piss people off in this thread. Does that make it valid?

Some black people are criminals.

Also - judging by the following: "1.As of June 30, 2007, the incarceration rate in state or federal prison or jail for men was 1,406 per 100,000 residents, for women 136 per 100,000 residents. The rate for white men was 773 per 100,000, for black men 4,618 per 100,000, for Hispanic men 1,747 per 100,000. The rate for white women was 95 per 100,000, for black women 348 per 100,000, and for Hispanic women 146 per 100,000..." a given criminal is statistically significantly more likely to be a black male.

(http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/64)

Applying the parallel, some people that have sports cars must be compensating for a failing in the underwear department, and a given sportscar owner is liekly to be statistically significantly under endowed.

[Maurepas]

I don't think it's of much use to argue with him, being the same person who tried to convince me that I should be open to having anal sex because he'd heard that other people liked it.

Never mind the fact that I simply find even the thought of it disgusting.

Meanwhile, on planet WTF...?

We join our heroes having gratuitous amounts of Anal sex and debating whether or not National Healthcare would be a good idea...

[Kyronea]

Applying the parallel, some people that have sports cars must be compensating for a failing in the underwear department, and a given sportscar owner is liekly to be statistically significantly under endowed.

As opposed to just feeling like they are?

That's actually the case, most of the time, with penis issues. Few men take the time to compare themselves to many other men, so without that basis for comparison, all they're left with is their feeling of inadequacy.

[The Black Forrest]

Didn't Porsche pull a fast one on some hedge funds?

A guy was telling me a couple hedge funds decided they were invincible and decided to run puts on VW. Not nowing VW had a deal with Porsche on shares. Porsche executed their options and wiped out the funds with the stock value increase.....

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Applying the parallel, some people that have sports cars must be compensating for a failing in the underwear department, and a given sportscar owner is liekly to be statistically significantly under endowed.

As opposed to just feeling like they are?

That's actually the case, most of the time, with penis issues. Few men take the time to compare themselves to many other men, so without that basis for comparison, all they're left with is their feeling of inadequacy.

Maybe they should be measured at the DMV and the measurements appear on people's driver's licenses.

[New Ziedrich]

Maybe they should be measured at the DMV and the measurements appear on people's driver's licenses.

Thanks for making this thread readable again.

[Dinaverg]

You know why the "sports car = compensating" cliche IS a cliche? Because I didn't just come up with it to piss people off in this thread.

You know why the "black people=criminals" cliche is a cliche? Because I didn't just come up with it to piss people off in this thread. Does that make it valid?

I don't think it's of much use to argue with him, being the same person who tried to convince me that I should be open to having anal sex because he'd heard that other people liked it.

Never mind the fact that I simply find even the thought of it disgusting.

'I'm the best'? Really?

[Neu Leonstein]

Didn't Porsche pull a fast one on some hedge funds?

A guy was telling me a couple hedge funds decided they were invincible and decided to run puts on VW. Not nowing VW had a deal with Porsche on shares. Porsche executed their options and wiped out the funds with the stock value increase.....

Yeah, but as much cash as that was, thanks to the sheer size of the takeover debts and another finance deal that went the other way, it's not enough.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/bus ... 05,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/bus ... 94,00.html
It looks like Michael Macht, the head of production, is set to replace Wiedeking. Though he can't be too unhappy - since he's got a contract until 2012, they need to buy him out of it. Rumours have it he's looking at a 100 million Euro payout. And some good news for a change (though I'm not believing it until I see it):

In order to reach a decision, the Porsche and Piech families had to settle on a future strategy. Porsche's supervisory board chairman, Wolfgang Porsche, wants to preserve the autonomy of the sports car manufacturer.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/bus ... 85,00.html

[Kusatsu]

I ride a bike. I also walk. I don't drive cars.

Tell me when the luxury bike and shoe manufacturing companies are going out of business and I might care a little.

[German Nightmare]

I ride a bike. I also walk. I don't drive cars.

Tell me when the luxury bike and shoe manufacturing companies are going out of business and I might care a little.

You mean, like, Porsche?

http://www.porsche-bikes.com/default.aspx?site=Galery

[Potarius]

I don't think it's of much use to argue with him, being the same person who tried to convince me that I should be open to having anal sex because he'd heard that other people liked it.

Never mind the fact that I simply find even the thought of it disgusting.

Meanwhile, on planet WTF...?

Mwahahaha. I'm guessing you don't remember that thread (that has since been deleted, I assume).

[Potarius]

'I'm the best'? Really?

I stand by my flag, dammit.

[Grave_n_idle]

I don't think it's of much use to argue with him, being the same person who tried to convince me that I should be open to having anal sex because he'd heard that other people liked it.

Never mind the fact that I simply find even the thought of it disgusting.

Meanwhile, on planet WTF...?

Mwahahaha. I'm guessing you don't remember that thread (that has since been deleted, I assume).

I made something like 30,000 posts on the old server (on just one account), and I can barely remember threads I posted in last week. Your bet is probably not a bad one.

On the other hand... I don't recall ever trying to convince anyone to try anal sex. When it comes up in 'that kind' of discussion, I tend to tell people they might like it if they try it, but I don't think I've ever actually tried to persuade anyone.

[Pope Joan]

Porsche and Volkswagen have always been closely related, I don't see yet another slight shuffle of that relationship as equaling "the end of Porsche." Maybe we'll get something like the 914 again, which for a while was their best selling model. Porsche makes most of its money of engineering consulting.

VW used Porsche engines, of all things, in its 1976 microbus after its original engine model failed from a severe case of bad design.

VW had decided for who knows what reason that setting the pistons to stroke off center would allow spent gas vapors to vent out the top of the piston after combustion. Of course, all it did was beat the pistons out of shape.

I had the earlier crap 76 engine, not the porsche one. It would only go 40 mph, so I was fined for going too slow on the interstate.

[Neu Leonstein]

I had the earlier crap 76 engine, not the porsche one. It would only go 40 mph, so I was fined for going too slow on the interstate.

Solution!

[Pope Joan]

I had the earlier crap 76 engine, not the porsche one. It would only go 40 mph, so I was fined for going too slow on the interstate.

Solution!

ye gads, that looks like fun!

i notice that the one he did Not overtake was another bus?

Of course, it does help to have a competent powertrain.

[Jocabia]

You know why the "sports car = compensating" cliche IS a cliche? Because I didn't just come up with it to piss people off in this thread.

You know why the "black people=criminals" cliche is a cliche? Because I didn't just come up with it to piss people off in this thread. Does that make it valid?

Some black people are criminals.

Also - judging by the following: "1.As of June 30, 2007, the incarceration rate in state or federal prison or jail for men was 1,406 per 100,000 residents, for women 136 per 100,000 residents. The rate for white men was 773 per 100,000, for black men 4,618 per 100,000, for Hispanic men 1,747 per 100,000. The rate for white women was 95 per 100,000, for black women 348 per 100,000, and for Hispanic women 146 per 100,000..." a given criminal is statistically significantly more likely to be a black male.

(http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/64)

Applying the parallel, some people that have sports cars must be compensating for a failing in the underwear department, and a given sportscar owner is liekly to be statistically significantly under endowed.

A. that would require you to come up with equal support. You haven't.

B. That isn't what you said. You didn't say that someone with a Porsche is statistically significantly likely to be compensating. At all. You didn't say it that way because if you did, you know everyone here would recognize exactly what support you're missing. That's statistics.

Instead you said a statement you'd have abused back when you weren't just bored and bullshitting. It is exactly the equivalent of saying black people are criminals. And, worse, when called out, rather than backpedaling and admitting your statement was unsupportable, you defended the idea to the point that you've applied your "black people are criminals" equivalent to individuals. That's not "statistically significant", that's outright prejudice.

Sadly, your argument in your other reply to me, demonstrates that you're not only bored and bullshitting, but you're also not willing to actually apply a little dilligence to your side of the debate. You can't even cover the weakest hole in your argument. I mean, you could have by simply admitting that it's possible that at 900, the car was a value buy without the "penis replacement" crap, you're putting on it. So, let's change that to simply "won't" cover the weakest hole in your argument. That's just lazy.

You know there's another cliche about guys and overcompensating. It's one that applies to guys who feel the need to make long, irrational arguments to prove to everyone just how they don't have anything to prove. Oh, wait, that's not a cliche, that's just psychology. (Yay, now the thread can just degrade into each of us telling the other how he's got a tiny prick. Or, you know, we could actually have a rational discussion like the one you DID NOT have with CTOAN.)

[Risottia]

I'm having difficulty caring about the fate of Porshe. I am willing to keep an open mind however if anybody can convince me that Porshe automobiles are anything more than overvalued cult objects.

Be reassured: they aren't.
They've always been technologically backwards: only in the '90s they introduced water cooling on their cars, and the aerodynamics of their main models is still basically a stretched VW (original!) Beetle. If one wants a German sports car, better a BMW.
Also, if one wants to throw away money on a luxury sports car, why limit oneself to a serially-produced car? Go Ferrari!

[Risottia]

Solution!

Nice one... but take a peep at this one: a slightly modified FIAT 500.