Anti BNP Thread

[Kamsaki]

Censorship in the UK is not worth the effort it would require anyway, regardless of what you might think about its ethical status. The British government is more controlled by the media than it does control it - to impose a rite of censorship would require mass state acquisition of the news and entertainment providers. The only way to actually bring a censorship into effect would be for every media group to agree to start and uphold it; when the Guardian and the Mail agree on anything to do with the freedom/responsibility tradeoff, it'll be a cold day in hell.

However, I would not be upset to see BNP members have their British citizenship, and all the privileges thereof, revoked. It seems like a state has the right and privilege to reject members should it suit the whim of the remainder of the body populus - after all, isn't that basically what nations are about?

[Snafturi]

Censoring bad ideas makes them attractive to people naturally inclined to rebel. You don't counter bad ideas with repression, you counter them with good ideas. Yes, it means you have to interact with despicable people sometimes, but if you truly believe your ideas are superior, then you should have no problem using them to counter the bad ideas of the BNP.

You also run the risk of having the same ideals and the same party, but with their racist ideas swept under the carpet. It doesn't change who they are deep down, they'll just play up other planks of their platform which actually could play in their favor.

[Grays Harbor]

However, I would not be upset to see BNP members have their British citizenship, and all the privileges thereof, revoked. It seems like a state has the right and privilege to reject members should it suit the whim of the remainder of the body populus - after all, isn't that basically what nations are about?

In a word ..... no. It is the states responsibility to preotect everybody, regardless of their ideology, race, creed, sex, etc, etc. To single one group out is to endorse that policy on everybody.

Do you even realize how close your arguments sound to those who would suppress/oppress blacks, jews or any other group that may have been at one time deemed "undersirable"?

[Kamsaki]

See, I don't see what's wrong in big government social welfare. Then again, beyond their questionable immigration stance, I also don't see what's so evil about the BNP. But yet again, I'm a borderline National Socialist and do think we should promote more of a welfare state system.

The thing is, their welfare plans are based on kicking out the immigrants and expanding military production as the way to create (or, rather, turn over) jobs. They're two sides of the same coin - "British Jobs for British Workers".

Damn that fucking Gordon Brown for giving them that ammunition.

[The Tofu Islands]

However, I would not be upset to see BNP members have their British citizenship, and all the privileges thereof, revoked. It seems like a state has the right and privilege to reject members should it suit the whim of the remainder of the body populus - after all, isn't that basically what nations are about?

You realise that there isn't really much difference between this and the BNP's policies... why members of the BNP, why not members of the groups they deem undesirable?
Add to this that states don't have rights, and I don't think nations exist, and that the majority doesn't have the right to oppress the minority.

[Belschaft]

See, I don't see what's wrong in big government social welfare. Then again, beyond their questionable immigration stance, I also don't see what's so evil about the BNP. But yet again, I'm a borderline National Socialist and do think we should promote more of a welfare state system.

The thing is, their welfare plans are based on kicking out the immigrants and expanding military production as the way to create (or, rather, turn over) jobs. They're two sides of the same coin - "British Jobs for British Workers".

Damn that fucking Gordon Brown for giving them that ammunition.

Won't work. If the BNP ever came to power the UK's economy would collapse pretty much as soon as they took us out of the EU.

[United Russian State]

You know when you make topics like this it will only encourge BNP to keep posting more spam.

[Scarsaw]

See, I don't see what's wrong in big government social welfare. Then again, beyond their questionable immigration stance, I also don't see what's so evil about the BNP. But yet again, I'm a borderline National Socialist and do think we should promote more of a welfare state system.

The thing is, their welfare plans are based on kicking out the immigrants and expanding military production as the way to create (or, rather, turn over) jobs. They're two sides of the same coin - "British Jobs for British Workers".

Damn that fucking Gordon Brown for giving them that ammunition.

See even the idea of expanding the military production to create/turn over jobs isn't that bad of an idea. I don't think it's the GREATEST idea as usually the military is not used to training the large expansion that they have planned, so quality will be diminished, and it appears that they fail to realize that the military (and society) needs the many civilians jobs for support.

As I said, the only thing I could find objectionable is their very questionable immigration policy as their plan to 'encourage' (as they are not technically kicking, but offering quite a bit of money in an angry fist to leave) those of different ethnicity to return to their country of ethnic origin...which I find is amusing as what happen if they are not a citizen of their ethnic country of origin?

[Kamsaki]

In a word ..... no. It is the states responsibility to preotect everybody, regardless of their ideology, race, creed, sex, etc, etc. To single one group out is to endorse that policy on everybody.

I'm not so sure. Nations, as collectives of people, are subject to the same kinds of tyranny that any majority can impose. That is what the law is - majority-imposed limitations of freedom. If the state is supposed to protect everybody, then why do different countries have different laws? Different countries believe different things about what they should do to protect their own interests, and it is their subjective opinion, rather than any objective sense of defending everyone, that drives the actions of a nation.

I am all for protecting everyone, and absolutely agree with your statements about standing up for minorities. A state I would want to put my support behind would do just that (EDIT NOTE: it is precisely for this reason that I would not live in a BNP state, and that I, purely subjectively, would recommend that those that would go and create such a state). But a state that agrees with what we think and a state that does not are not any less or more legitimate by that fact alone - what makes a nation legitimate is whether or not it does what its voters tell it to. A nation that refuses to allow anyone that disagrees with it to enter it, kicks out anyone that disagrees with it and rules on the basis of that consent, is one with a 100% approval rating.

[Opola]

Besides being racist, BNP has good ideas.

[Kamsaki]

You realise that there isn't really much difference between this and the BNP's policies... why members of the BNP, why not members of the groups they deem undesirable?

Because it wouldn't be as ironic. For the British National Party to be kicked out of Britain would be hilarious.

[The Tofu Islands]

Besides being racist, BNP has good ideas.

Nah, not really... they support increased military spending, capital punishment, and so on.

Because it wouldn't be as ironic. For the British National Party to be kicked out of Britain would be hilarious.

Meh. Something being ironic and/or amusing doesn't mean it should be done.

[Aegara]

Besides being racist, BNP has good ideas.

Such as?

[Neo Art]

Just remember kids, the best way to show how much you disagree with fascist ideology is to forcibly repress any attempt to voice that ideology.

That will show everyone just how totally not fascist you are.

You really are retarded. I would have thought that you, a Jew, would understand the importance of supressing fascisim in all its forms. I guess you have a short memory..

How the hell do you presume to know what my background is?

[F1-Insanity]

See, I don't see what's wrong in big government social welfare. Then again, beyond their questionable immigration stance, I also don't see what's so evil about the BNP. But yet again, I'm a borderline National Socialist and do think we should promote more of a welfare state system.

Because you like the idea of robbing the working man and dividing the loot amongst the masses of welfare cheats?

[F1-Insanity]

See, I don't see what's wrong in big government social welfare. Then again, beyond their questionable immigration stance, I also don't see what's so evil about the BNP. But yet again, I'm a borderline National Socialist and do think we should promote more of a welfare state system.

The thing is, their welfare plans are based on kicking out the immigrants and expanding military production as the way to create (or, rather, turn over) jobs. They're two sides of the same coin - "British Jobs for British Workers".

Damn that fucking Gordon Brown for giving them that ammunition.

Won't work. If the BNP ever came to power the UK's economy would collapse pretty much as soon as they took us out of the EU.

Now I am not a BNP supporter, but the idea that an economy would collapse once you left the EU, is ludicrous. The World Trade Organisation wouldn't even allow this EU to ban trading with you.

Besides, the EU isn't necessary for trade, and it's totally undemocratic to begin with. The EU is only good for politicians because politicians of the EU don't pay tax.

[Scarsaw]

See, I don't see what's wrong in big government social welfare. Then again, beyond their questionable immigration stance, I also don't see what's so evil about the BNP. But yet again, I'm a borderline National Socialist and do think we should promote more of a welfare state system.

Because you like the idea of robbing the working man and dividing the loot amongst the masses of welfare cheats?

I believe in sharing and caring. The government should take care of all it's citizens and the working man is not only giving to welfare, but to other programs that he use like health care. Also remember, the working man today could be on welfare tomorrow, and I'm sure he'll appreciate it while he looks for a job and gets back on his feet again.

[Krypton-Zod]

Because you like the idea of robbing the working man and dividing the loot amongst the masses of welfare cheats?

I believe in sharing and caring. The government should take care of all it's citizens and the working man is not only giving to welfare, but to other programs that he use like health care. Also remember, the working man today could be on welfare tomorrow, and I'm sure he'll appreciate it while he looks for a job and gets back on his feet again.

What's this BS about a government having to take care of its citizens?

Why should I work so some socialist voter could get free money?

Socialism is the ideology of envy, as in "I don't want to work (hard), but I do want what my neighbour has, so I want the government to take it from him and give it to me".

[Scarsaw]

Why should I work so some socialist voter could get free money?

I'm sure if you were fired from your job, your employer went under, or you have a seasonal job...your opinion would be quite different.

[No Names Left Damn It]

I'm sure if you were fired from your job, your employer went under, or you have a seasonal job...your opinion would be quite different.

I'm fairly sure K-Z is actually an extremely talented satirist.

[The German Region]

Besides being racist, BNP has good ideas.

Such as?

Well actually they have a few good ideas. Im not a supporter of the BNP, some of their ideas are a bit extreme but others do make sense.

Increasing military spending is something i dont see a problem with, more funding gives our boys a fighting chance out in Afghanistan. They are not getting the helicopters they need and are having to use American instead or travel on dangerous roads, more spending gives them much better equipment.

Everyone has the right to protect there property aswell. Under current laws if a man came into my house to steal something and I either hit him or tackle him to the ground, he can actually sue me! One of the craziest perversions of the law i have ever seen and needs to be sorted.

Finally a bit on the extreme side but if you commit a crime in this country and you werent born here then yes you should be deported. if you come to our country, you abide by our rules dont come here to do a crime.

i say again im not a BNP supporter but some of their ideas are good.

[Krypton-Zod]

Why should I work so some socialist voter could get free money?

I'm sure if you were fired from your job, your employer went under, or you have a seasonal job...your opinion would be quite different.

I'd go find another job instead of crying and whining that the government should give me unlimited money. Now I am not opposed to a small handout tying someone over for a few months, but I totally oppose giving welfare to people who can but won't work.

[Louis Van Boxel Woolf]

He's Britains Hitler. (To Americans the B.N.P stands for British National Party). Here are some quotes and messages posted, written and said by Senior B.N.P Leaders.W
Barry Bennet "Whatever's good enough for me. Hitler is good enough for me. God rest his soul. David Beckham is a black man!"
Lee Barnes "The beating of Rodney King still makes me laugh. Brilliant ... police should give them a good thrashing."
Eddy O' Sullivan "They are nice people - oh yeah - but they cannot be nice people in the Congo or bongo land land or whatever."
Russ Green "Indians, Africans etc... the British multi - National party. I really do hope that never happens."
Dave Stricksons' blog has a title that says "Another animal stabbed in Coon Town!" on a report on teenage violence.
The B.N.P are fascists but the vast majority of MEP's representing the U.K in Europe are still Labour, the Tories and Liberal Democrats (but UKIP have seemed to sneak up the Vote Board).
Also Nick Griffin (the Party's leader) was arrested for 9 months for being racist.
Kevin Scott a B.N.P supporter and former North East rally organiser has been arrested for assault and threatning behaviour.
Terry Collins (a party member) was jailed for 5 years after a waging a year long war of terror against innocent Asian families in Eastbourne.
Joe Owens, a former candidate for Merseyside went in Jail for 8 months for sending razor blades to Jews, and was then arrested for carrying Knuckle Dusters and CS Gas.
Colin Smith (former B.N.P South East rally organiser) has been convicted 17 times for: burglary, theft, stealing cars, possesion of illegal drugs and assaulting a police officer.
Tony Lecomber, a former B.N.P propoganda director was jailed in 1985 after a bomb exploded as he carried it to the Worker's Revoultinary Party offices. Jailed AGAIN in 1991 for assaulting a Hindu Teacher.
THANK GOD, the only reason they got seats is because of the expenses scandle, next election they'll be back to their powerless state.

[Treznor]

Socialism is the ideology of envy, as in "I don't want to work (hard), but I do want what my neighbour has, so I want the government to take it from him and give it to me".

That's a hell of a strawman you've built up there. Socialism is the ideology of sharing, as in "there's this burden that all of us must bear, but it's hard to do individually. If we all share it together, then it becomes easier for all of us."

[Pevisopolis]

I'm going to bitchslap someone for not posting one of these videos.