Anti BNP Thread

[Neo Art]

What you fail to understand is that supporting freedom of speech is not the same as supporting what is said. Freedom of speech means freedom for everyone, not just the speech you like. If you can justify censoring him, then someone else can find justification to censor you. The only way to protect your freedom of speech is to protect everyone's.

You nazi.

Shameless, aren't I?

You be quiet, we don't need your nazi logic around here.

[Grays Harbor]

So you like the BNP? Sorry but promoting hate speech is wrong.

What you fail to understand is that supporting freedom of speech is not the same as supporting what is said. Freedom of speech means freedom for everyone, not just the speech you like. If you can justify censoring him, then someone else can find justification to censor you. The only way to protect your freedom of speech is to protect everyone's.

Thank you, Trez. I was having a hard time, it seems, getting what you just said across.

Just because somebody supports free speach DOES NOT indicate support of something. It is that sort of thinking which indicates the worst of "If you are not with me, then you are one of them." type thinking.

[Aloha Mars 2]

What you fail to understand is that supporting freedom of speech is not the same as supporting what is said. Freedom of speech means freedom for everyone, not just the speech you like. If you can justify censoring him, then someone else can find justification to censor you. The only way to protect your freedom of speech is to protect everyone's.

So we should just it by and do nothing while these nazi scumbag infiltrate our government? No thanks.

[The Tofu Islands]

So you like the BNP? Sorry but promoting hate speech is wrong.

This is getting tiresome.
Just because people oppose censorship and support free speech doesn't mean that they support the views of the people exercising this right. Someone could use their free speech to call me a moron, but that doesn't mean that they should be censored.

[Aloha Mars 2]

So you like the BNP? Sorry but promoting hate speech is wrong.

What you fail to understand is that supporting freedom of speech is not the same as supporting what is said. Freedom of speech means freedom for everyone, not just the speech you like. If you can justify censoring him, then someone else can find justification to censor you. The only way to protect your freedom of speech is to protect everyone's.

Thank you, Trez. I was having a hard time, it seems, getting what you just said across.

Just because somebody supports free speach DOES NOT indicate support of something. It is that sort of thinking which indicates the worst of "If you are not with me, then you are one of them." type thinking.

Dont thank him, he is wrong.

[Siberiak]

BNPs Britain tried to get back in as Mcintyre mulligan, he was deleted within 30 mins.

[Treznor]

What you fail to understand is that supporting freedom of speech is not the same as supporting what is said. Freedom of speech means freedom for everyone, not just the speech you like. If you can justify censoring him, then someone else can find justification to censor you. The only way to protect your freedom of speech is to protect everyone's.

So we should just it by and do nothing while these nazi scumbag infiltrate our government? No thanks.

You're mising the vital element here: freedom of speech. He has free speech. You have free speech. Just because he's exercising his right to free speech doesn't mean you can't exercise yours to point out the flaws in his logic. You can defend your rights by explaining why he's wrong, not by trying to take his rights away.

Simply reacting to something that you dislike doesn't solve anything. Think it through, and you're more likely to find a solution.

[The Tofu Islands]

So we should just it by and do nothing while these nazi scumbag infiltrate our government? No thanks.

No, we should not just sit by and do nothing. We should engage them in debate and show people that their views are despicable. We should try and persuade people not to vote for them. But censoring them is not the right path to take, not now, not ever.

[Neo Art]

Just remember kids, the best way to show how much you disagree with fascist ideology is to forcibly repress any attempt to voice that ideology.

That will show everyone just how totally not fascist you are.

[Grays Harbor]

What you fail to understand is that supporting freedom of speech is not the same as supporting what is said. Freedom of speech means freedom for everyone, not just the speech you like. If you can justify censoring him, then someone else can find justification to censor you. The only way to protect your freedom of speech is to protect everyone's.

So we should just it by and do nothing while these nazi scumbag infiltrate our government? No thanks.

you just don't get it, do you. Either that or you don't want to understand.

Because somebody supports free speach does not indicate support for that particular cause. A person can actively be opposed to something, and work against it, WITHOUT resorting to censorship.

And that is what makes censorship so dangerous, because of folk like you who want to subscribe to the old "If I oppose this, then it must be censored" attitude. That is a very dangerous and anti-democratic path to start on.

[Scarsaw]

And that is what makes censorship so dangerous, because of folk like you who want to subscribe to the old "If I oppose this, then it must be censored" attitude. That is a very dangerous and anti-democratic path to start on.

What I find is more dangerous is how many who subscribe to the old attitude does it in the name of 'freedom' and 'liberty,' using those words to justify their unfair censorship as far too uneducated people seem to believe that if something is the name of 'freedom' it cannot be bad. It appears that only recently people are starting to realize that in the name of something can be a mask for a more devious deed.

[Grays Harbor]

Just remember kids, the best way to show how much you disagree with fascist ideology is to forcibly repress any attempt to voice that ideology.

That will show everyone just how totally not fascist you are.

sarcasm, thou art named Neo-Art. nice post.

[No Names Left Damn It]

So you support the BNP?

You really can't read, can you?

[F1-Insanity]

Sign this thread if you want out with those racist bigots the BNP.

I hate the BNP as much as I hate Labour. By the way, most BNP voters are Labourites.

[Aloha Mars 2]

Just remember kids, the best way to show how much you disagree with fascist ideology is to forcibly repress any attempt to voice that ideology.

That will show everyone just how totally not fascist you are.

You really are retarded. I would have thought that you, a Jew, would understand the importance of supressing fascisim in all its forms. I guess you have a short memory..

[Scarsaw]

Just remember kids, the best way to show how much you disagree with fascist ideology is to forcibly repress any attempt to voice that ideology.

That will show everyone just how totally not fascist you are.

You really are retarded. I would have thought that you, a Jew, would understand the importance of supressing fascisim in all its forms. I guess you have a short memory..

I swear, you sound more discriminatory and racist than the people you want to suppress.

[The Tofu Islands]

You really can't read, can you?

Perhaps you should say in big letters, just in case.

I hate the BNP as much as I hate Labour. By the way, most BNP voters are Labourites.

{Insert standard polite demand for source here}

You really are retarded. I would have thought that you, a Jew, would understand the importance of supressing fascisim in all its forms. I guess you have a short memory..

Insulting people you're debating with isn't the best tactic... (it's also against the rules, BTW).

[Aloha Mars 2]

So you support the BNP?

You really can't read, can you?

Nice flame.

[Melkor Unchained]

Just remember kids, the best way to show how much you disagree with fascist ideology is to forcibly repress any attempt to voice that ideology.

That will show everyone just how totally not fascist you are.

You really are retarded. I would have thought that you, a Jew, would understand the importance of supressing fascisim in all its forms. I guess you have a short memory..

Hey, how about not calling people retards?

Thanks.

EDIT for lolz:

So you support the BNP?

You really can't read, can you?

Nice flame.

How epicly ironic. "You really can't read" may be abrasive, but I don't see him calling people names. What he said was quite clearly misrepresented, so it shouldn't come as any surprise that he'd question the interpretive abilities of the people who totally failed to understand what he said.

[The Tofu Islands]

Nice flame.

That wasn't a flame. That was a comment that, despite NNLDI stating otherwise several times, you still don't seem to grasp eir position.

[Treznor]

Censoring bad ideas makes them attractive to people naturally inclined to rebel. You don't counter bad ideas with repression, you counter them with good ideas. Yes, it means you have to interact with despicable people sometimes, but if you truly believe your ideas are superior, then you should have no problem using them to counter the bad ideas of the BNP.

[Snafturi]

Just remember kids, the best way to show how much you disagree with fascist ideology is to forcibly repress any attempt to voice that ideology.

That will show everyone just how totally not fascist you are.

You really are retarded. I would have thought that you, a Jew, would understand the importance of supressing fascisim in all its forms. I guess you have a short memory..

Or maybe he understand the law better since he's a lawyer and knows the danger in censorship.

[F1-Insanity]

I hate the BNP as much as I hate Labour. By the way, most BNP voters are Labourites.

{Insert standard polite demand for source here}

Just watch a rerun of election night, the BBC (!!) showed a graph of where BNP votes came from. In constituencies where the BNP stood for election, it showed a well near 100% correlation between the decrease of the Labour vote and the increase in BNP votes.

The BNP is a big government social welfare party. Sure, they mean to excluse this and that group, but still they support the idea of big government social welfare.

[Scarsaw]

I hate the BNP as much as I hate Labour. By the way, most BNP voters are Labourites.

{Insert standard polite demand for source here}

Just watch a rerun of election night, the BBC (!!) showed a graph of where BNP votes came from. In constituencies where the BNP stood for election, it showed a well near 100% correlation between the decrease of the Labour vote and the increase in BNP votes.

The BNP is a big government social welfare party. Sure, they mean to excluse this and that group, but still they support the idea of big government social welfare.

See, I don't see what's wrong in big government social welfare. Then again, beyond their questionable immigration stance, I also don't see what's so evil about the BNP. But yet again, I'm a borderline National Socialist and do think we should promote more of a welfare state system.

[Brum Brum]

LOL, so you are against fascism yet want to ban certain speech you don't like. Acting just like tyrsnny in freedom of speech respect. The more you censor them the more they are "thhe victims" and the more they politicly gaining.