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Galiria wrote:

Panzerjaeger wrote:How the hell would you know you are gay at 9? I didn't even know I was straight by then in fact the thought had never crossed my mind.

Some children are hyper-sexual...

That or society is so eager to label everyone and everything it is bleeding over into our children.

Tokos wrote:Lol, you can't be a lesbian at 10. Doubtless she'll be one of those weird girls who swings back and forth in their teenage years depending on the wind (not depending on whom they're actually attracted to).

Why exactly does sexual preference require a party? Maybe I go ask my friends if any of them like firecrotches and if so that's an excuse for a piss-up.

I beg to differ. I understood what sexuality is when I was 6 years old, and I knew I liked both males and females at that time as well. So, I was bisexual before the age of 10, thus making me a lesbian before that time as well.

Argument invalid.

Tokos wrote:Yes, sexual attraction is necessarily to do with sex. It's kind of in the name.

Being gay or straight is to do with which sex you get hard/wet from. I can't believe I have to spell this out.

sexual, adj. 1. of or relating to the sexes; 2. of or relating to sexual intercourse.

The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."

Anyway: Your position on this issue really depends on whether you're taking the terms sexual attraction/orientation/etc to mean sexual attraction or fucktacular attraction. If the latter, then obviously it's unlikely most children will experience it. If the former, that happens all the time.

It is thus possible to be sexually attracted to males or females or hamsters at any age, but uninterested in them fucktacularly (hmm. this needs to be shortened a bit. maybe "fuckwise"?) until sexual maturity.

Clear?

A LITTLE too far, in my opinion, if someone wanted to reveal he's/she's gay, he'd/she'd tell his/her parents that. I mean, I never had a party when I revealed my Dino fetish on NS, did I?

Which reminds me...

*Googles Dino porn*

Saint Clair Island wrote:

Tokos wrote:Yes, sexual attraction is necessarily to do with sex. It's kind of in the name.

Being gay or straight is to do with which sex you get hard/wet from. I can't believe I have to spell this out.

sexual, adj. 1. of or relating to the sexes; 2. of or relating to sexual intercourse.

The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."

Anyway: Your position on this issue really depends on whether you're taking the terms sexual attraction/orientation/etc to mean sexual attraction or fucktacular attraction. If the latter, then obviously it's unlikely most children will experience it. If the former, that happens all the time.

It is thus possible to be sexually attracted to males or females or hamsters at any age, but uninterested in them fucktacularly (hmm. this needs to be shortened a bit. maybe "fuckwise"?) until sexual maturity.

Clear?

I fully support this new word.

Saurisia wrote:A LITTLE too far, in my opinion, if someone wanted to reveal he's/she's gay, he'd/she'd tell his/her parents that. I mean, I never had a party when I revealed my Dino fetish on NS, did I?

Which reminds me...

*Googles Dino porn*

I don't know about you, but I've never seen people on TV talking about how you're a deviant and unfit to parent because of your attraction to dinosaurs. Maybe other people's situations are different than yours.

Tokos wrote:

Innsmothe wrote:I was quite openly gay at eight.

You mean you liked pink or something? Eight year olds don't want to fuck either boys or girls. This is not a German commune we really should know this by now.

Because big generalisations are always right?

Completely ignoring that it is feasible for kids that young to have sexual orientation "normally", have you ever heard of precocious puberty?

I think sexuality is both flexible and not concrete. An individual can derive sexual pleasure from both the opposite and same sex, without being one or the other. In that way, and not to play on the old joke, but we are all a little bit bi. So again what defines sexuality? What does it mean to be gay or a lesbian? Genetics certainly does play a role, but as does culture.

Lauchlin wrote:I don't know about you, but I've never seen people on TV talking about how you're a deviant and unfit to parent because of your attraction to dinosaurs. Maybe other people's situations are different than yours.

Call WBC.

I'm sure something could be sorted out.

Innsmothe wrote:Then why do five year old boys in their innocence regularly kiss girls, but not guys? If you were correct then children wouldn't be so discriminate, and would kiss both sexes without complaint.

Because it is socially unacceptable to kiss men in the Anglosphere.

I'm sorry, but that's utter nonsense. People do not marry members of their preferred gender(s) because they just want to fuck. They marry each other because they are in love, and they do not fall in love with people outside their preferred gender(s). To pretend that romantic feelings are not part of one's sexual orientation is complete bullshit.

You are contradicting yourself. First you say marriage is not just done for sex, which is of course true, then you say that all the love and commitment that go into marriage are somehow part of one's sexuality.

Please learn to separate affection/love, and sexuality. I guess, if I feel strong affection for one of my male friends, that means I'm gay?

Lauchlin wrote:

Saurisia wrote:A LITTLE too far, in my opinion, if someone wanted to reveal he's/she's gay, he'd/she'd tell his/her parents that. I mean, I never had a party when I revealed my Dino fetish on NS, did I?

Which reminds me...

*Googles Dino porn*

I don't know about you, but I've never seen people on TV talking about how you're a deviant and unfit to parent because of your attraction to dinosaurs. Maybe other people's situations are different than yours.

I think that's just because people on TV don't know about him, more than any sort of cultural acceptance of dino fetishes.

He'd probably be lumped in as a furry, despite it being an oxymoron.

Lauchlin wrote:

Saurisia wrote:A LITTLE too far, in my opinion, if someone wanted to reveal he's/she's gay, he'd/she'd tell his/her parents that. I mean, I never had a party when I revealed my Dino fetish on NS, did I?

Which reminds me...

*Googles Dino porn*

I don't know about you, but I've never seen people on TV talking about how you're a deviant and unfit to parent because of your attraction to dinosaurs. Maybe other people's situations are different than yours.

Nobody threw me a party when I came out to NS.

Person012345 wrote:Nobody threw me a party when I came out to NS.

We did. We just didn't invite you.

The Norwegian Blue wrote:I fully support this new word.

I still can't believe they just took new words from all over the place, didn't bother integrating half of them properly with the old Anglo-Saxon ones and then gave some of them multiple, inconsistent meanings. I blame Noah Webster. That asshole.

Tokos wrote:Please learn to separate affection/love, and sexuality. I guess, if I feel strong affection for one of my male friends, that means I'm gay? :eyebrow:

If you experience the same kind of romantic love you would for a girlfriend, there's a pretty good chance you're a fa-- ...bulous person, yes. (Review the "four loves" -- affection for a friend is not the same thing as love for a romantic partner.)

The kind of feelings felt around a new flame are pretty damn hormonal… funny you reference CS Lewis' work, as he calls this an "erotic cloud" in the Screwtape Letters if I remember correctly.

We had those all the time, they were called "normal parties" where everyone gets incredibly pissed and either bares their soul or ends up trying to fuck someone that they're vaguely into.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Person012345 wrote:Nobody threw me a party when I came out to NS.

We did. We just didn't invite you.

Oh. Well that's ok then. I don't like parties, I wouldn't have come even if I was invited most likely.

Yootwopia wrote:We had those all the time, they were called "normal parties" where everyone gets incredibly pissed and either bares their soul or ends up trying to fuck someone that they're vaguely into.

Aged 10? Interesting childhood you had!

I wonder if those normal parties can be considered coming out parties, though. After all, there's always some guy who gets a little too drunk and a little too friendly, which no one lets him forget for weeks.

Tokos wrote:

Yootwopia wrote:We had those all the time, they were called "normal parties" where everyone gets incredibly pissed and either bares their soul or ends up trying to fuck someone that they're vaguely into.

Aged 10? Interesting childhood you had!

I wonder if those normal parties can be considered coming out parties, though. After all, there's always some guy who gets a little too drunk and a little too friendly, which no one lets him forget for weeks.

ou sound like you had personal experience, care to share?

Tokos wrote:I wonder if those normal parties can be considered coming out parties, though.

Err their purpose was basically always to keep A&E wards from being complacent and to expose everyone's sexual mores, so "pretty much" would be the answer to that.

Ayndia wrote:I...wasn't aware people had parties for coming out. Doesn't that go against the whole belief of not making it a big deal?

Discuss?

Whose belief is to not make it a big deal? Most of the gay guys I personally know make it a fairly large part of their overall lifestyle. Some seem like any other guy... but into dudes.

Some make it a big deal, some don't. Is that especially problematic? Should there be some law that gays aren't allowed to make it a big deal? I personally don't see why it should be a big deal... but I'm not these people, so whatev.

Lauchlin wrote:

Saurisia wrote:A LITTLE too far, in my opinion, if someone wanted to reveal he's/she's gay, he'd/she'd tell his/her parents that. I mean, I never had a party when I revealed my Dino fetish on NS, did I?

Which reminds me...

*Googles Dino porn*

I don't know about you, but I've never seen people on TV talking about how you're a deviant and unfit to parent because of your attraction to dinosaurs. Maybe other people's situations are different than yours.

True, true.

Der Teutoniker wrote:

Ayndia wrote:I...wasn't aware people had parties for coming out. Doesn't that go against the whole belief of not making it a big deal?

Discuss?

Whose belief is to not make it a big deal? Most of the gay guys I personally know make it a fairly large part of their overall lifestyle. Some seem like any other guy... but into dudes.

Some make it a big deal, some don't. Is that especially problematic? Should there be some law that gays aren't allowed to make it a big deal? I personally don't see why it should be a big deal... but I'm not these people, so whatev.

Yeah, I used my sexuality as an excuse to act on my overly aggressive personality. Cause you know, "gay's are pansies".

Panzerjaeger wrote:That or society is so eager to label everyone and everything it is bleeding over into our children.

Probably this.

Tokos wrote:

Innsmothe wrote:Then why do five year old boys in their innocence regularly kiss girls, but not guys? If you were correct then children wouldn't be so discriminate, and would kiss both sexes without complaint.

Because it is socially unacceptable to kiss men in the Anglosphere.

I'm sorry, but that's utter nonsense. People do not marry members of their preferred gender(s) because they just want to fuck. They marry each other because they are in love, and they do not fall in love with people outside their preferred gender(s). To pretend that romantic feelings are not part of one's sexual orientation is complete bullshit.

You are contradicting yourself. First you say marriage is not just done for sex, which is of course true, then you say that all the love and commitment that go into marriage are somehow part of one's sexuality.

Please learn to separate affection/love, and sexuality. I guess, if I feel strong affection for one of my male friends, that means I'm gay?

...no, it doesn't, unless it's ROMANTIC affection. Do you generally write shitty poetry about how beautiful your male friend's eyes are? Do you daydream about what it would be like to kiss him? When he gives you a hug, do you snuggle into his arms and inhale his scent and think about how safe and warm he makes you feel? Do you practice signing your first name with his last name when you have a spare scrap of paper in front of you, and draw little hearts around the results? Do you blush and stammer whenever he says something nice about you? Do you fall asleep imagining him spooning you, and dream about your perfect wedding to him? Because honestly, I'm pretty damned sure that if you did those things, even if you never once fucked him or particularly wished to fuck him, you'd acknowledge that your sexual orientation (i.e. your orientation towards a particular sex) includes attraction to men.

I get that you really want to pretend that sexual orientation is all about fucking, but the fact that everyone else in this thread keeps telling you it's not might give you a hint that your definition is just plain wrong.

Here, let's get wiki in on the act, too:

Sexual orientation describes a pattern of emotional, romantic, or sexual attraction to men, women, both genders, neither gender, or another gender.