Ye Olde US Midterm Elections Thread (With Extra Vitimins)

[Aubelland]

But, sadly for you, they don't.

Okay, so how are all these newly-minted Republicans in the House going to make my life better? Got any ideas?

SPENDING MORE MONEY ON DEFENSE

LESS ON EDUCATION

MORE STUPID PEOPLE, LESS INTELLIGENT PEOPLE

[Farnhamia]

Because it's in the Constitution, so it's kinda like....the law....

Which has fuck all to do with my Beliefs?

Nothing at all, Old Liar, take a breath.

Here, go read Maureen Dowd's column if you really want your head to explode.

[The Bleeding Roses]

BOOM MOTHERFUCKERS! THE GOP IS BACK....

Just got back from raging out at the downtown Marriot with the NC Republican Party. $8 dollar whiskey drinks with the sheriff are def the bee's knees.

Swept the NC General Assembly for the first time in over 100 years, took back the House, dominating every governor's race and looking to score 48 seats in the Senate.


WE BACK, WHEN WE HONGRY WE EAT.

[Greed and Death]

Best day ever. Republicans win. Obama 2012?? I dont think so.
The Senate would also turn Republican if all 50 states ran.

Actually, Obama may win in 2012. If you look at the past, FDR, Eisenhower, Bill Clinton all won their reelection when their party lost control of Congress.

Point of historical order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/73rd_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/74th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/78th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/79th_Unite ... s_Congress

During FDR's presidency the democrats never lost the legislature.

[Melkor Unchained]

Syntax error in line one?

I fear our two languages may be growing further apart, coz a cop-out isn't a ludicrous supposition here, it's more a way to get out of something. And eh "nobody ought to vote, obv." isn't really that

Yes, hence "weaselly" above.

More to the point, you (probably) wouldn't be saying "nobody ought to vote" unless you had some pressing disagreement with the results, since it's immediately preceded by a "judging by the results."

Ergo, you're basically saying that "because America is not voting in @@direction,@@ they shouldn't be allowed to vote." Sorry, that's a cop out in any sane man's book.

[Geniasis]

Maybe not in that exact order.

Nice to know you're a fan of Imperialism!

[Yootwopia]

America is not 1920's Germany.

Or is it?

[Panzerjaeger]

Which has fuck all to do with my Beliefs?

Nothing at all, Old Liar, take a breath.

Here, go read Maureen Dowd's column if you really want your head to explode.

That is exactly what I need my friend. I am just rather confused by some people in this thread especially the whole you have to believe in Voting because...of the Constitution? Does it radiate Mind Control rays? Then being told I don't know Fascist Corporatism and think Reagan was a Fascist...how the hell someone made that leap in logic is beyond me. NSG you never fail to confound me on almost every level.

[Wilgrove]

Actually, Obama may win in 2012. If you look at the past, FDR, Eisenhower, Bill Clinton all won their reelection when their party lost control of Congress.

Point of historical order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/73rd_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/74th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/78th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/79th_Unite ... s_Congress

During FDR's presidency the democrats never lost the legislature.

Well, CNN got their facts wrong then, my bad.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I'd have to agree with Melkor here. I mean just because people don't vote the way you want them to doesn't mean you should strip them of their right to vote.

No, it means you should boot the brain-dead states out of the Union so they can keep their idiocy to themselves. Or you can secede!

[Yootwopia]

More to the point, you (probably) wouldn't be saying "nobody ought to vote" unless you had some pressing disagreement with the results, since it's immediately preceded by a "judging by the results."

I dunno, I think things would probably go a lot better in the states if you chaps weren't constantly electing people or voting for propositions and other such things that generally just seem to be a pointless faff.

[Melkor Unchained]

annnnd... Godwinn'd.

America is not 1920's Germany. 1920's Germany had a democratic government, but not a democratic tradition. It had only been a nation for fifty-ish years. Before WWI, it was an empire. America has no such imperial antecedents unless you count the period before the war, and that was 230+ years ago. Hitler could do things with Germany's tradition and psyche that are almost certainly not possible in America.

Last I checked you could vote in the German Empire that was part of the problem within the Empire. Hence why the SPD was one of the biggest parties in the Reichstag so I am rather confused as to what you are on about.

Are you... serious? You don't know what I'm "on about" when I point out the differences between a 50 year old country that had been an empire the previous decade and one that's been a Democracy for over two centuries?

Wow... just... wow.

[Greed and Death]

Point of historical order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/73rd_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/74th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/78th_Unite ... s_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/79th_Unite ... s_Congress

During FDR's presidency the democrats never lost the legislature.

Well, CNN got their facts wrong then, my bad.

It is cool, this means one thing. I iz smarter then CNN!!!!

[New Manvir]

Oh, so you want terrorists to kill all our children and rape all our puppies?

Maybe not in that exact order.

Yes. I demand that the puppies be raped in front of the children first. It builds character.

[Panzerjaeger]

Last I checked you could vote in the German Empire that was part of the problem within the Empire. Hence why the SPD was one of the biggest parties in the Reichstag so I am rather confused as to what you are on about.

Are you... serious? You don't know what I'm "on about" when I point out the differences between a 50 year old country that had been an empire the previous decade and one that's been a Democracy for over two centuries?

Wow... just... wow.

My point is one can exploit the masses but they don't have to believe in Voting. I don't see why that is so hard to understand I just used Hitler as an example of garnering Voter Support so he could ignore them latter. It has little to do with what you are on about.

[Melkor Unchained]

More to the point, you (probably) wouldn't be saying "nobody ought to vote" unless you had some pressing disagreement with the results, since it's immediately preceded by a "judging by the results."

I dunno, I think things would probably go a lot better in the states if you chaps weren't constantly electing people or voting for propositions and other such things that generally just seem to be a pointless faff.

It's true, Tacitus once said that the more corrupt a state, the more numerous its laws. There's certainly plenty that could be done to make it a better system, but I don't think "no one votes" is really going to be the answer.

[Greed and Death]

I dunno, I think things would probably go a lot better in the states if you chaps weren't constantly electing people or voting for propositions and other such things that generally just seem to be a pointless faff.

It's true, Tacitus once said that the more corrupt a state, the more numerous its laws. There's certainly plenty that could be done to make it a better system, but I don't think "no one votes" is really going to be the answer.

Hmm only white land owning males should vote, above the age of 25. *NOD*

[Geniasis]

Last I checked you could vote in the German Empire that was part of the problem within the Empire. Hence why the SPD was one of the biggest parties in the Reichstag so I am rather confused as to what you are on about.

Are you... serious? You don't know what I'm "on about" when I point out the differences between a 50 year old country that had been an empire the previous decade and one that's been a Democracy for over two centuries?

Wow... just... wow.

I got this one. See, it all comes down to relatives.

Germany, is a lot older than the U.S.. The Holy Roman Empire was from hundreds of years before the U.S., in fact.

As a result, while 50 years wasn't enough time for Germany to change it's psyche, a few weeks will be even more potent for Americans because of our shorter history.

[Farnhamia]

America is not 1920's Germany.

Or is it?

No. I know you can read and I know you do read, so ignoring Melkor's post except for the first sentence is just silly.

[Wilgrove]

I dunno, I think things would probably go a lot better in the states if you chaps weren't constantly electing people or voting for propositions and other such things that generally just seem to be a pointless faff.

It's true, Tacitus once said that the more corrupt a state, the more numerous its laws. There's certainly plenty that could be done to make it a better system, but I don't think "no one votes" is really going to be the answer.

Do we really need an election every two years? Why not scale it back to four years?

[Revolutopia]

Actually, Obama may win in 2012. If you look at the past, FDR, Eisenhower, Bill Clinton all won their reelection when their party lost control of Congress.

I don't believe FDR ever had a Republican House of Congress. Could be wrong there, didn't look it up.

I am guessing he is referencing when the GOP took the house in 1946 against Truman, who won his re-election two years later.

[Melkor Unchained]

Are you... serious? You don't know what I'm "on about" when I point out the differences between a 50 year old country that had been an empire the previous decade and one that's been a Democracy for over two centuries?

Wow... just... wow.

My point is one can exploit the masses but they don't have to believe in Voting. I don't see why that is so hard to understand I just used Hitler as an example of garnering Voter Support so he could ignore them latter. It has little to do with what you are on about.

It's not hard, I've already explained it twice. Hitler could do things to/with the German people because of the cultural and political differences between them and present-day Americans. What was possible then isn't possible now because of said differences. Germany was in an entirely different situation in the early part of the 20th century than America is in this one.

[Wilgrove]

I don't believe FDR ever had a Republican House of Congress. Could be wrong there, didn't look it up.

I am guessing he is referencing when the GOP took the house in 1946 against Truman, who one his re-election two years later.

Ok, so it was Truman, I hate CNN.

[Greed and Death]

It's true, Tacitus once said that the more corrupt a state, the more numerous its laws. There's certainly plenty that could be done to make it a better system, but I don't think "no one votes" is really going to be the answer.

Do we really need an election every two years? Why not scale it back to four years?

But on mid terms only. I do not want a permanent coat tails effect.

[Panzerjaeger]

My point is one can exploit the masses but they don't have to believe in Voting. I don't see why that is so hard to understand I just used Hitler as an example of garnering Voter Support so he could ignore them latter. It has little to do with what you are on about.

It's not hard, I've already explained it twice. Hitler could do things to/with the German people because of the cultural and political differences between them and present-day Americans. What was possible then isn't possible now because of said differences. Germany was in an entirely different situation in the early part of the 20th century than America is in this one.

Which has nothing to do with the original question about caring about a person's right to vote? You don't have to care it isn't required. You just need to rouse the rabble to vote for you that doesn't mean you care one lick for that right to maintain power.