Ye Olde US Midterm Elections Thread (With Extra Vitimins)

[Farnhamia]

We'll see. I think the Tea Party is like immigration reform, it blossoms every two years but in between, nothing. If they're serious, these "TEA Party" people, let them break free of the Republican Party and run some candidates on their own.

I worry about congressmen acting like how their voters act personally.

There is that, I suppose.

[Panzerjaeger]

We'll see. I think the Tea Party is like immigration reform, it blossoms every two years but in between, nothing. If they're serious, these "TEA Party" people, let them break free of the Republican Party and run some candidates on their own.

I worry about congressmen acting like how their voters act personally.

You mean like throwing people to the pavement and stomping on them? Well it has been a while since we had a South Carolina Senator assault someone on the Senate Floor...

[Tahar Joblis]

Sure, but was it worth it? Was the economic value of what was produced greater than the economic value of what went into it? If not, then it's even worse--not only were these jobs not actually producing any new economic value, they were actively destroying economic value.

How?

Think about it carefully. It's rare for this to be true of anything but military spending - and even some fraction of military spending ends up being recycled in activity down through the private sector. What value is "wasted"? Only, really, consumed non-renewable resources. Labor costs are being circulated right back into the economy. Labor prices? Virtually unaffected by the government making small dents in unemployment during the eternal "labor surplus."

The same goes for everything else you mention, when it's government-subsidized. For private firms, the incentive is to get more out of it than they put in, so you can be pretty sure that if an economic activity continues for a while, it's because it creates a net increase in economic value. But government does not have the same set of incentives or constraints as private firms do.

Conversely, they have no incentive to contribute to public goods that any old Joe can use up. Even if that public good has a cost:benefit ratio less than 0.1:1, it's not worth their making it, generally.

It is precisely those large public goods that governments do a fantastic job of creating, compared to the private sector. Highways are a major example. Vehicular damage due to poorly maintained roads for regular drivers currently adds up to tens of billions of damage per year - which is a small fraction of the value those drivers place on the system, let alone the value of commercial trucking.

That's just it--they do create something that wasn't there.

No more and no less than an apparently useless government agency.

Perhaps it's convenience (not for you and I, obviously, but for someone somewhere in the chain, and to such a degree that it outweighs the inconvenience caused to you and I), perhaps it's increased efficiency due to specialization, but as a rational person I have to think that it's there even if I can't see it myself because there's no other way to explain the fact that these firms continue to survive. A private firm simply cannot last if its expenditures consistently exceed its income.

That doesn't mean they contribute net value. I can earn money by cheating and scamming people and profit while having a net negative social impact. I can cause billions of dollars in environmental and health damages while profiting millions of dollars in mining and manufacturing.

[Wilgrove]

@ Wilgrove

Here's a shocker:

Until corporate America has confidence in the economy, corporate America will not invest in the economy. If the Pubs are on the business's side, the economy will turn around. Isn't that a good thing?

Ahh, but which economy? They'll be boosting the economy of China and India to be sure, and to some extent Mexico, but like I said in my "Election Day Rant", they don't care about the American people, they only care about profits. They either ships the jobs overseas or hire illegals.

[Saiwania]

This is truly a great day for America. While it wasn't the TEA party blowout I wanted, I'll be happy if Harry Reid is unseated. I'll be crossing my fingers waiting.

[Panzerjaeger]

@ Wilgrove

Here's a shocker:

Until corporate America has confidence in the economy, corporate America will not invest in the economy. If the Pubs are on the business's side, the economy will turn around. Isn't that a good thing?

Ahh, but which economy? They'll be boosting the economy of China and India to be sure, and to some extent Mexico, but like I said in my "Election Day Rant", they don't care about the American people, they only care about profits. They either ships the jobs overseas or hire illegals.

Pretty much and the Federal government allows them to gut the Working and Middle Class. Someday it will lead to a reckoning that neither side is likely to enjoy.

[Allrule]

On the plus side, if the Democrats lose their filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, COICA will most likely not make it through everything before dying.

[Farnhamia]

@ Wilgrove

Here's a shocker:

Until corporate America has confidence in the economy, corporate America will not invest in the economy. If the Pubs are on the business's side, the economy will turn around. Isn't that a good thing?

Ahh, but which economy? They'll be boosting the economy of China and India to be sure, and to some extent Mexico, but like I said in my "Election Day Rant", they don't care about the American people, they only care about profits. They either ships the jobs overseas or hire illegals.

This, and Corporate America has discovered that they can let a whole bunch of people go, which scares the rest of their employees to the point where productivity goes up. That's a win-win.

[WorldofWilly]

I would just like to say to you Left wing idiots that I was right about Rand Paul winning and your dumb asses were wrong. I predicted perfectly what was going to happen in this old thread 6 months ago.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=51769&start=50

This thread was locked probably so you idiots could hide your dumbass statements. Especially the ones about the economy getting better and Rand Paul winning the elections.

You guys should go back to the above thread and read page 3 and on where I make my brilliant statements and you will see I am a seer and a genius who was spot on in this election. I hope you all will read this and realize you all are lower progressive dunces who are not worthy of sniffing the crotch section on my skidmarked underwear.

Now if any of you would like to meet me somewhere where all you lesser humans will have the privileged of lining up to kiss my wrinkled, hairy ass. I do not just want a peck on the cheek either I expect you all to rim my hairy bunghole and admit that I am a conservative god and that you are all progressive slime who will submit to worshiping my bunghole for the rest of your measly, insignificant, liberal lives.

[Luciratus]

Your lack of understanding of what Corporatism means is hilarious. History Fail/Political Fail!

"the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corporatism

This model lends itself primarily to Fascism and other forms of Corporate Statism, not the ideology practiced by Republicans. The only way you could apply this to Reagan's policies is if you applied it in its loosest sense, in which case it applies to most political leaders.

[Yenke-Bin]

I would just like to say to you Left wing idiots that I was right about Rand Paul winning and your dumb asses were wrong. I predicted perfectly what was going to happen in this old thread 6 months ago.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=51769&start=50

This thread was locked probably so you idiots could hide your dumbass statements. Especially the ones about the economy getting better and Rand Paul winning the elections.

You guys should go back to the above thread and read page 3 and on where I make my brilliant statements and you will see I am a seer and a genius who was spot on in this election. I hope you all will read this and realize you all are lower progressive dunces who are not worthy of sniffing the crotch section on my skidmarked underwear.

Now if any of you would like to meet me somewhere where all you lesser humans will have the privileged of lining up to kiss my wrinkled, hairy ass. I do not just want a peck on the cheek either I expect you all to rim my hairy bunghole and admit that I am a conservative god and that you are all progressive slime who will submit to worshiping my bunghole for the rest of your measly, insignificant, liberal lives.

You probably should consider toning your post down a bit, unless you really want to be get in trouble with the mods.

[Panzerjaeger]

Your lack of understanding of what Corporatism means is hilarious. History Fail/Political Fail!

"the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corporatism

This model lends itself primarily to Fascism and other forms of Corporate Statism, not the ideology practiced by Republicans. The only way you could apply this to Reagan's policies is if you applied it in its loosest sense, in which case it applies to most political leaders.

Yes Corporation = Body of Government not a Business. Reading Comprehension Fail.

I find it ironic you are trying to tell a Fascist what Corporatism is yet seem unable to comprehend what you are posting. Corporatism lets break it down Corpus as in Body. Corporatism which you would understand if you actually read the Wiki article is a Guild like system where Union leaders and Corporate leaders of the same Industrial Field work together as a council aka Corporation. They make decisions on various things that need to be resolved. These corporations allow autonomy within the economy of Fascism thus not leading to a need for the government to step in. The Fascist Government only steps in when a Corporation can not reach a decision thus keeping government influence to a rather limited role except for Nationalized Industries.

[Greed and Death]

I worry about congressmen acting like how their voters act personally.

There is that, I suppose.

-sigh- I always feel like i have a choice between a Giant Douche bag and a turd sandwich.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

I would just like to say to you Left wing idiots that I was right about Rand Paul winning and your dumb asses were wrong. I predicted perfectly what was going to happen in this old thread 6 months ago.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=51769&start=50

This thread was locked probably so you idiots could hide your dumbass statements. Especially the ones about the economy getting better and Rand Paul winning the elections.

You guys should go back to the above thread and read page 3 and on where I make my brilliant statements and you will see I am a seer and a genius who was spot on in this election. I hope you all will read this and realize you all are lower progressive dunces who are not worthy of sniffing the crotch section on my skidmarked underwear.

Now if any of you would like to meet me somewhere where all you lesser humans will have the privileged of lining up to kiss my wrinkled, hairy ass. I do not just want a peck on the cheek either I expect you all to rim my hairy bunghole and admit that I am a conservative god and that you are all progressive slime who will submit to worshiping my bunghole for the rest of your measly, insignificant, liberal lives.

A homosexual ,tea party nutcase with a scat fetish...my, what is the world coming to.

[Luciratus]

Ahh, but which economy? They'll be boosting the economy of China and India to be sure, and to some extent Mexico, but like I said in my "Election Day Rant", they don't care about the American people, they only care about profits. They either ships the jobs overseas or hire illegals.

This, and Corporate America has discovered that they can let a whole bunch of people go, which scares the rest of their employees to the point where productivity goes up. That's a win-win.

Why would they let people go if the economy is profitable and their are incentives to expand? The taxes, which many businesses believe that Democrats will raise, scare business owners into a state of stagnation and if implemented can cause lay-offs. People do not typically get 'let go' in sound economic times. Of course, there are crooks, but not everybody is a crook.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Senate:
up for grabs: 8

Victories:
Dems: 8
Reps: 21

Balance of Power:
Dems: 48
Reps: 44

Governors:
up for grabs: 17

Victories:
Dems: 6
Reps: 14

balance of Power:
Dems: 14
Reps: 20

[WorldofWilly]

I would just like to say to you Left wing idiots that I was right about Rand Paul winning and your dumb asses were wrong. I predicted perfectly what was going to happen in this old thread 6 months ago.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=51769&start=50

This thread was locked probably so you idiots could hide your dumbass statements. Especially the ones about the economy getting better and Rand Paul winning the elections.

You guys should go back to the above thread and read page 3 and on where I make my brilliant statements and you will see I am a seer and a genius who was spot on in this election. I hope you all will read this and realize you all are lower progressive dunces who are not worthy of sniffing the crotch section on my skidmarked underwear.

Now if any of you would like to meet me somewhere where all you lesser humans will have the privileged of lining up to kiss my wrinkled, hairy ass. I do not just want a peck on the cheek either I expect you all to rim my hairy bunghole and admit that I am a conservative god and that you are all progressive slime who will submit to worshiping my bunghole for the rest of your measly, insignificant, liberal lives.

You probably should consider toning your post down a bit, unless you really want to be get in trouble with the mods.

Why would a god worry about mods. I will smite them.

[Luciratus]

"the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corporatism

This model lends itself primarily to Fascism and other forms of Corporate Statism, not the ideology practiced by Republicans. The only way you could apply this to Reagan's policies is if you applied it in its loosest sense, in which case it applies to most political leaders.

Yes Corporation = Body of Government not a Business. Reading Comprehension Fail.

Corporations did not serve as the body of political representation under the Reagan Administration. A corporation in this sense is clearly understood to mean a business, hence the 'industrial and professional' part. Such a system is Fascism or State Corporatism, not Neo-Conservatism. As much as you despise that ideology, it is not Corporatism. I will refrain from the annoying habit of accusing somebody with different ideas of failure.

[Wilgrove]

This, and Corporate America has discovered that they can let a whole bunch of people go, which scares the rest of their employees to the point where productivity goes up. That's a win-win.

Why would they let people go if the economy is profitable and their are incentives to expand? The taxes, which many businesses believe that Democrats will raise, scare business owners into a state of stagnation and if implemented can cause lay-offs. People do not typically get 'let go' in sound economic times. Of course, there are crooks, but not everybody is a crook.

Then how come we are in a recovery and Q3 has seen a 2% increase in GDP?

[Panzerjaeger]

Yes Corporation = Body of Government not a Business. Reading Comprehension Fail.

Corporations did not serve as the body of political representation under the Reagan Administration. A corporation in this sense is clearly understood to mean a business, hence the 'industrial and professional' part. Such a system is Fascism or State Corporatism, not Neo-Conservatism. As much as you despise that ideology, it is not Corporatism. I will refrain from the annoying habit of accusing somebody with different ideas of failure.

No it really doesn't. Corporatism doesn't mean business in the Fascist sense. If you had read my post you would know this. Again another fail.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

Meg Whitman and Jerry Brown are tied: 47 to 47

[Luciratus]

Corporations did not serve as the body of political representation under the Reagan Administration. A corporation in this sense is clearly understood to mean a business, hence the 'industrial and professional' part. Such a system is Fascism or State Corporatism, not Neo-Conservatism. As much as you despise that ideology, it is not Corporatism. I will refrain from the annoying habit of accusing somebody with different ideas of failure.

No it really doesn't. Corporatism doesn't mean business in the Fascist sense. If you had read my post you would know this. Again another fail.

You are aware that Mussolini reorganized the Italian government to establish twenty-two 'corporations' which would resolve all matters of economic importance and represent the political ideas of business owners, yes?

"Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

According to the sources I have sighted, Fascism is inherently a Corporatist or Corporatist-influence political and economic system. If you can provide an alternative source, please do. Also, am I to presume you have stopped accusing Reagan of Corporatism?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I would just like to say to you Left wing idiots that I was right about Rand Paul winning and your dumb asses were wrong. I predicted perfectly what was going to happen in this old thread 6 months ago.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=51769&start=50

This thread was locked probably so you idiots could hide your dumbass statements. Especially the ones about the economy getting better and Rand Paul winning the elections.

You guys should go back to the above thread and read page 3 and on where I make my brilliant statements and you will see I am a seer and a genius who was spot on in this election. I hope you all will read this and realize you all are lower progressive dunces who are not worthy of sniffing the crotch section on my skidmarked underwear.

Now if any of you would like to meet me somewhere where all you lesser humans will have the privileged of lining up to kiss my wrinkled, hairy ass. I do not just want a peck on the cheek either I expect you all to rim my hairy bunghole and admit that I am a conservative god and that you are all progressive slime who will submit to worshiping my bunghole for the rest of your measly, insignificant, liberal lives.

Knock it off. Consider this your one and only unofficial warning.

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

The Democrats have won the California Senate race.

[Caninope]

What if the Senate ends up 50/50?