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Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:21 am
by Neu California
Sibirsky wrote:And politicians are even worse. The Social Security Administation spent $700,000 on a party. These people are supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS. And they go party at the taxpayers expense. In a middle of an economic depression. When unemployement is almost at a double digit rate. And counting the underemployed, and people who stopped looking the unemployment level is 21%. So 1 out of 5 people are out of work, and politicians are partying.

Again, source?

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:21 am
by Surote
Firstly the majority of Americans ARE insured, and its the majority that carry America. The Republicans don't want to help cut cost, because they don't feel that someone else should be paying for your healthcare. Its not my job to pay for your healthcare and you have no right to steal money from me or any other American to pay for your health insurance. I feel bad that your mother is uninsured, but she is not my responsibility.[/quote]

It's this society job to help each other because if the poor and mid class go down the whole economy will collaspse and don't tell me that majority maybe insured but most of them have to pay the majortity of the bill cause the greedy companies use the money we give for vacations and treatments at the spa not to pay off someones helth expenses like they should.[/quote]

And politicians are even worse. The Social Security Administation spent $700,000 on a party. These people are supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS. And they go party at the taxpayers expense. In a middle of an economic depression. When unemployement is almost at a double digit rate. And counting the underemployed, and people who stopped looking the unemployment level is 21%. So 1 out of 5 people are out of work, and politicians are partying.[/quote]

So ceos suck but the ceos are supposed to provide healthcare for us and not to go party in vegas. most of the time poliicans go to places and supposely talk about policies and issues.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:24 am
by Eugene Zolo
Surote wrote:So ceos suck but the ceos are supposed to provide healthcare for us and not to go party in vegas.


No they shouldn't its their money and they can do what ever they want with it, they have no obligation to pay for anyones healthcare, and no one has the right to steal their money.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:25 am
by The Cat-Tribe
*sigh*

I'm not wading through the ideological bickering, so I'll just ask: Has anyone even tried to tie the actual language of the bill to the absurd allegations made in the OP and IBD editorial?

See, e.g., viewtopic.php?p=254703#p254703; viewtopic.php?p=254937#p254937

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:25 am
by Opola
correct, the US needs reform but universal healthcare but instead more market competition.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:26 am
by The Cat-Tribe
Opola wrote:correct, the US needs reform but universal healthcare but instead more market competition.


'cuz that has worked so well for the financial markets. :palm:

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:27 am
by Surote
Eugene Zolo wrote:
Surote wrote:So ceos suck but the ceos are supposed to provide healthcare for us and not to go party in vegas.


No they shouldn't its their money and they can do what ever they want with it, they have no obligation to pay for anyones healthcare, and no one has the right to steal their money.


They run a company and they steal company money to use themselfs and you think that's okay

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:28 am
by Ashmoria
The Cat-Tribe wrote:*sigh*

I'm not wading through the ideological bickering, so I'll just ask: Has anyone even tried to tie the actual language of the bill to the absurd allegations made in the OP and IBD editorial?

See, e.g., viewtopic.php?p=254703#p254703; viewtopic.php?p=254937#p254937

no

the bill was linked twice on the first page and no one supporting the idea that the OP was correct bothered to respond.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:29 am
by Treznor
Eugene Zolo wrote:
Surote wrote:So ceos suck but the ceos are supposed to provide healthcare for us and not to go party in vegas.


No they shouldn't its their money and they can do what ever they want with it, they have no obligation to pay for anyones healthcare, and no one has the right to steal their money.

So, when do you guys think you'll be able to found the Ferengi Empire?

Opola wrote:correct, the US needs reform but universal healthcare but instead more market competition.

Really? There's a lack of competition in the health insurance market? You could have fooled me.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:30 am
by Sibirsky
Neu California wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:And politicians are even worse. The Social Security Administation spent $700,000 on a party. These people are supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS. And they go party at the taxpayers expense. In a middle of an economic depression. When unemployement is almost at a double digit rate. And counting the underemployed, and people who stopped looking the unemployment level is 21%. So 1 out of 5 people are out of work, and politicians are partying.

Again, source?


http://www.syracuse.com/today/index.ssf ... _dime.html

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story ... 663&page=1

http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2009/07/ ... ence/4163/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whit ... rity-retre

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2009/07/15 ... s-fire.htm

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/inves ... e5i6A.cspx

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/inves ... Tm4uQ.cspx

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:30 am
by Ashmoria
Eugene Zolo wrote:
Surote wrote:So ceos suck but the ceos are supposed to provide healthcare for us and not to go party in vegas.


No they shouldn't its their money and they can do what ever they want with it, they have no obligation to pay for anyones healthcare, and no one has the right to steal their money.

thats why the government is going to take care of it. no one can expect the rich to do so out of the goodness of their hearts.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:30 am
by Eugene Zolo
Surote wrote:
Eugene Zolo wrote:
Surote wrote:So ceos suck but the ceos are supposed to provide healthcare for us and not to go party in vegas.


No they shouldn't its their money and they can do what ever they want with it, they have no obligation to pay for anyones healthcare, and no one has the right to steal their money.


They run a company and they steal company money to use themselfs and you think that's okay


I don't agree with anyone STEALING money, but they don't steal money, they have salaries just like everyone else and they use their salaries on themselves.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:31 am
by Neu California
Sibirsky wrote:
Neu California wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:And politicians are even worse. The Social Security Administation spent $700,000 on a party. These people are supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS. And they go party at the taxpayers expense. In a middle of an economic depression. When unemployement is almost at a double digit rate. And counting the underemployed, and people who stopped looking the unemployment level is 21%. So 1 out of 5 people are out of work, and politicians are partying.

Again, source?


http://www.syracuse.com/today/index.ssf ... _dime.html

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story ... 663&page=1

http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2009/07/ ... ence/4163/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whit ... rity-retre

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2009/07/15 ... s-fire.htm

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/inves ... e5i6A.cspx

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/inves ... Tm4uQ.cspx

Thank you.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:33 am
by Sibirsky

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:34 am
by The Cat-Tribe
Sibirsky wrote:
Neu California wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:And politicians are even worse. The Social Security Administation spent $700,000 on a party. These people are supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS. And they go party at the taxpayers expense. In a middle of an economic depression. When unemployement is almost at a double digit rate. And counting the underemployed, and people who stopped looking the unemployment level is 21%. So 1 out of 5 people are out of work, and politicians are partying.

Again, source?


http://www.syracuse.com/today/index.ssf ... _dime.html

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story ... 663&page=1

http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2009/07/ ... ence/4163/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whit ... rity-retre

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2009/07/15 ... s-fire.htm

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/inves ... e5i6A.cspx

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/inves ... Tm4uQ.cspx


A three-day conference attended by 700 officials at about $1,000 each is hardly an extravagant party. Nice try.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:34 am
by Surote
Ashmoria wrote:
Eugene Zolo wrote:
Surote wrote:So ceos suck but the ceos are supposed to provide healthcare for us and not to go party in vegas.


No they shouldn't its their money and they can do what ever they want with it, they have no obligation to pay for anyones healthcare, and no one has the right to steal their money.

thats why the government is going to take care of it. no one can expect the rich to do so out of the goodness of their hearts.


We need to start caring about the lower and middle class citizens instead of the rich folk by start regulating the economy and welfare. Plus getting universal healthcare through or regulate the private companies

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:37 am
by Ashmoria
Surote wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
Eugene Zolo wrote:No they shouldn't its their money and they can do what ever they want with it, they have no obligation to pay for anyones healthcare, and no one has the right to steal their money.

thats why the government is going to take care of it. no one can expect the rich to do so out of the goodness of their hearts.


We need to start caring about the lower and middle class citizens instead of the rich folk by start regulating the economy and welfare. Plus getting universal healthcare through or regulate the private companies

yes we do. letting the insurance companies do business on a denial-of-benefits model is insane. if they cant run an honest business, they need to be eliminated.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:37 am
by Sibirsky


I never said extravagant. I said not necessary. We are in the middle of an economic depression. That expense not justifiable.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:39 am
by The Cat-Tribe
Sibirsky wrote:


I never said extravagant. I said not necessary. We are in the middle of an economic depression. That expense not justifiable.


Arguable. Given the death threats against them and the difficulty of running a major agency amongst the economic crisis, perhaps the meeting was justifiable.

Regardless, it is the obvious evidence of out-of-control politicians you claimed it to be.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:41 am
by Surote
I never said extravagant. I said not necessary. We are in the middle of an economic depression. That expense not justifiable.


One that's probably just a meeting of officals talkin plus only a 1,000 no very much and two were in a reccesion pal

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:47 am
by Eugene Zolo
Ashmoria wrote:
Eugene Zolo wrote:
Surote wrote:So ceos suck but the ceos are supposed to provide healthcare for us and not to go party in vegas.


No they shouldn't its their money and they can do what ever they want with it, they have no obligation to pay for anyones healthcare, and no one has the right to steal their money.

thats why the government is going to take care of it. no one can expect the rich to do so out of the goodness of their hearts.


The rich don't have to do anything they don't want to and the government won't take care of anything, because in the United States of America individual freedom is held in high regard and the government won't be forcing anyone to do anything. I understand you're for stealing money, but I am against stealing.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:50 am
by Eugene Zolo
Surote wrote:
We need to start caring about the lower and middle class citizens instead of the rich folk by start regulating the economy and welfare. Plus getting universal healthcare through or regulate the private companies


Firstly stop saying middle class like you're talking about the middle class, you're not talking about them alright. Welfare should be minimized as much as possible.

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:52 am
by Neu California
Eugene Zolo wrote:I understand you're for stealing money, but I am against stealing.

Ignoring that this wasn't addressed at me...

:palm: First off, it's not stealing if it's legal (see 16th amendment).

Secondly, how else is the gov't supposed to fund itself without taxes.

Thirdly, if taxes are here to stay, shouldn't thay fall more on those who can most afford it?

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:56 am
by Ashmoria
Eugene Zolo wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
Eugene Zolo wrote: No they shouldn't its their money and they can do what ever they want with it, they have no obligation to pay for anyones healthcare, and no one has the right to steal their money.

thats why the government is going to take care of it. no one can expect the rich to do so out of the goodness of their hearts.


The rich don't have to do anything they don't want to and the government won't take care of anything, because in the United States of America individual freedom is held in high regard and the government won't be forcing anyone to do anything. I understand you're for stealing money, but I am against stealing.

i think you are wrong.

health care reform is going to pass

Re: New U.S. Healthcare Reform, No New Business for Insurance Co

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:58 am
by United Dependencies
Perhaps government should do like they do with utilities and make health care a natural monopoly. Or subsidise it for those who are unable to pay.