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Jordsindia
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Your stand on abortion?

Postby Jordsindia » Sat May 16, 2009 1:05 pm

What do you guys think of abortion? I wanna see what you think on this issue. For me, i do not agree with abortion. It should be illegal in my eyes. What do ya guys think?
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby The Alma Mater » Sat May 16, 2009 1:25 pm

For me it depends on how far the pregnancy is. If the fetus has a functioning brain and neural net, it is somewhat hard for me to not see it as a little person. As such I would like some restrictions on abortion in that stage.

Before that however... completely up to mommie.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Jordaxia » Sat May 16, 2009 1:35 pm

dude. Seriously? FFS. You realise that Jordsindia is like a really small part of Jordaxia and now people are going to get confused. :(

On topic however, I believe that the woman should have the right to choose. When it comes to her welfare over a potential humans, I'm going with the one that's already here every time.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Belschaft » Sat May 16, 2009 1:40 pm

I'm totaly with Jordaxia, it must allways be the womans choice as it is her body. No on else has the right to tell her what she can or cannot do with it. We should definitetly not reduce the time limit, and maybe should even increase it.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby New Heliopolis » Sat May 16, 2009 1:41 pm

Pro-life unless the life of la madre is endangered through the pregnancy...I've as-yet-unprovable knowledge of souls...
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Parthenon » Sat May 16, 2009 1:42 pm

The waiting list for an adoption is over 3 years in some parts of the country, unless their is some physical threat to the mother beyond cosmetics then there is no reason to have an abortion. When a person chooses to have sex that person is also choosing to enter into a game of pregnancy roulette. Abortion shouldn't serve as a crutch for the irresponsible. I have known plenty of women who have had multiple abortions since they cant keep their pants on, that's no excuse...
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Never wrong People » Sat May 16, 2009 1:42 pm

A new life begins when egg and sprem join together.
Killing any life after it is created is murder.
Abortion is murder.
The person is not a potential one, but is already a person!!!
It is truth that person is 100% dependant on his or her mother for the first stages of life, but it does not mean that the mother has a right to kill that person.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Jordaxia » Sat May 16, 2009 1:47 pm

Never wrong People wrote:Life begins when egg and sprem join together.
Killing any life after it is created is murder.
Abortion is murder.
The person is not a potential one, but is already a person!!!
It is truth that person is 100% dependant on his or her mother for the first stages of life, but it does not mean that the mother has a right to kill that person.


so what, miscarriage is manslaughter? You know that many, many of these 'people' die without the mothers even noticing, right? Like way in the earliest parts of pregnancy. And are you sure about that? there's developmental conditions such as Anacephaly (probably spelled incorrectly I'll admit) that would certainly mean that the 'child' was not alive. I don't buy it. I don't believe in a soul. something without a sufficiently developed brain is alive in the same way that the unsightly wart on my thumb is alive, and I'm covering that thing with acid.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Arsenio Delattre » Sat May 16, 2009 1:48 pm

I believe that the woman should have the right to choose

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby The Alma Mater » Sat May 16, 2009 1:49 pm

Never wrong People wrote:Life begins when egg and sprem join together.


Actually, both sperm and egg are quite alive themselves.

The person is not a potential one, but is already a person!!!


Really ? Right after fertilisation there are already feelings and thoughts present in that clump of cells ?
Care to prove that ?
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Kryozerkia » Sat May 16, 2009 1:52 pm

It's the woman's choice, and if necessary, due to certain circumstances, her and her spouse. But it should primarily rest on the shoulders of the woman carrying the foetus.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Getbrett » Sat May 16, 2009 1:55 pm

In my judgement, sapience is a major prerequisite for "personhood." As human infants under a certain age (post-birth) are not self-aware, I support elective abortion up until this point, because the infant is not a person. This means that I support abortion past the moment of childbirth. Realistically, I know that this is abhorrent to most, although I'm disappointed in that reaction. It's rooted in fundamentally subjective notions of "empathy" and "right to life" instead of science.

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Maurepas » Sat May 16, 2009 1:55 pm

I, personally, Am against abortion, But, I am Pro-Choice...

Like, If I got a girl pregnant, I would do everything I could to convince her not to get one, however, It is not the place of Government, or myself to prevent her from Having the option to do so...

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Never wrong People » Sat May 16, 2009 1:59 pm

If you try to kill someone it is murder.

Each miscarriage is different. If it was done on purpose, it was an abortion
If it naturally happened or happened for a unknow reason, it is natural death.

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Unibot » Sat May 16, 2009 2:02 pm

Abortion should be legal - but not needed.

In other words, educate the young, and help with social welfare and problems that arouse the social atmospheres in which teenager or unwanted pregnancies come about.

If awareness and education comes about correctly to prevent unwanted pregnancies, and options are made available (maternity leave plus adoption), whilst educating people on the religious, and ideological works and programs on the freedom of life, destiny, and whatever else that inspires religious people to back up pro-life arguments (I'm not the guy to argue that) - surely it would only be singular individuals in dire situations that would choose abortion anyway.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Maurepas » Sat May 16, 2009 2:07 pm

Never wrong People wrote:If you try to kill someone it is murder.


Actually, It would be Attempted Murder...

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Never wrong People » Sat May 16, 2009 2:07 pm

I would like to hear more about justifications for choicing to end a pregancy.

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Maurepas » Sat May 16, 2009 2:15 pm

Never wrong People wrote:I would like to hear more about justifications for choicing to end a pregancy.

Because a Woman has the right to decide what grows in her Uterus?

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Sansibal » Sat May 16, 2009 2:16 pm

its a sensitive issue and should be treated as such but personally im against it. although i think the issue falls on the doctors to choose if they wish to preform abortions but as im aware there is a bill before congress that prepossess that all doctors must preform abortions (including religious hospitals). this is a an act in my opinion of more government control. i assume i didn't answer the question correctly but those are my thoughts.

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Jahka » Sat May 16, 2009 2:20 pm

Really ? Right after fertilization there are already feelings and thoughts present in that clump of cells ?
Care to prove that ?


So thoughts and feelings are your definition of a child. I don't really agree with that.

When the zygote is formed the child has all his genetics mapped out. Potential geniuses musicians, scientists. (of course, environment all influences this, but the potential is there)

I just don't feel right ending the life of a potential Einstein or Mozart.

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Gahlsteria » Sat May 16, 2009 2:27 pm

It's life when the "cellduplication" starts but can't be considered a person unless it can survive outside the vomb w/o much help. Aborting something living is not the same thing as aborting something that could be considered a person.

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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby New Gerpan » Sat May 16, 2009 2:35 pm

I don't think abortion should be illegal. In my eyes, its not actual killing anyone. it's just a clump of cells. i would choose adoption over abortion, but some people can't.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Tybra » Sat May 16, 2009 2:35 pm

one of those issues that can be debated over for a long time.
Personally i say that pregnancy can be terminated at all times if the woman is in danger, well until science can science can sustain the foetus. Costs for a baby without mother are just higher then a woman that already has a job making money so that she can help give proper education for other children. Also the stem cells that can be used for research are useful to.
However if the woman just doesn't want a baby I'd say pregnancy can be terminated until the moment the foetus develops a working brain.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Golugan » Sat May 16, 2009 2:41 pm

For those who oppose abortion for religious reasons, Adam was not considered alive until he drew breath.

As for my opinion, my support of abortion ties rather strongly to my opposition to gun control in that I don't think people should have children if they can't feel they can take care of them responsibly. Abortion is the mother's way of being smart enough to recognize her own faults in this.
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Re: Your stand on abortion?

Postby Gearmany (Ancient) » Sat May 16, 2009 2:43 pm

You can all quibble over when it is ok or not ok to abort but there is really one true fine defining line... Birth. It's that simple, until it's born it is still a FETUS. And outlawing abortion is just stupid, if they want to have their stomachs sliced open it's their choice. THEY carried the baby, THEY can decide what to do with it.

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