Christian Theology Thread

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Out of curiosity, couldn't you simply state that the eucharist becomes jesus sometime after it's eaten and digested? Or would that still qualify as necrophagia?

Dunno,... it's a kind of magic. (Maaaaagic...) Ah ah, it's magic!

It is. I am Catholic and, I know this will sound heretical of me to the more devout, I've never seen the Eucharist as Transubstantiation. I never see it as the transformed body and blood of Jesus. To me it's a rather taste neutral, round piece of flat bread.

[Angleter]

Dunno,... it's a kind of magic. (Maaaaagic...) Ah ah, it's magic!

It is. I am Catholic and, I know this will sound heretical of me to the more devout, I've never seen the Eucharist as Transubstantiation. I never see it as the transformed body and blood of Jesus. To me it's a rather taste neutral, round piece of flat bread.

Scientifically that is what it is, the Church recognises that, and nobody will seriously dispute that. So it isn't cannibalism/necrophagia/whatever.

However, I personally think it becomes Jesus' body in bread form, and his blood in wine form. Just as Jesus is God in human form.

[Baptisia]

Dunno,... it's a kind of magic. (Maaaaagic...) Ah ah, it's magic!

It is. I am Catholic and, I know this will sound heretical of me to the more devout, I've never seen the Eucharist as Transubstantiation. I never see it as the transformed body and blood of Jesus. To me it's a rather taste neutral, round piece of flat bread.

Indeed. As someone who used to be a Catholic but transferred to being a Baptist (long story) I know what you mean. I view communion as a symbol of unity within the church, and as a symbolic acknowledgement of the new covenant ("Do this in memory of me").

[Risottia]

Dunno,... it's a kind of magic. (Maaaaagic...) Ah ah, it's magic!

It is. I am Catholic and, I know this will sound heretical of me to the more devout, I've never seen the Eucharist as Transubstantiation. I never see it as the transformed body and blood of Jesus. ...

Anathema! Anathema!

Really, I know it's difficult to be both Catholic and rational - and you have all my respect for that.
I see the same all the time with my fiancee. She started as Catholic but nowadays she cannot bring herself to accept completely the Catholic dogmata - so she defines herself as Christian, more generically.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It is. I am Catholic and, I know this will sound heretical of me to the more devout, I've never seen the Eucharist as Transubstantiation. I never see it as the transformed body and blood of Jesus. To me it's a rather taste neutral, round piece of flat bread.

Scientifically that is what it is, the Church recognises that, and nobody will seriously dispute that. So it isn't cannibalism/necrophagia/whatever.

However, I personally think it becomes Jesus' body in bread form, and his blood in wine form. Just as Jesus is God in human form.

Em, I think you misunderstood my point, Angleter. When I say I don't see the Transubstantiation, I don't mean it as me believing in it being cannibalism or necrophagia. Far from it. I know of it's symbolism, but I have never believed, as some Catholics do, that it is an actual transformation of the body and blood of Christ. My grandmother is one such Catholic, she believes that the Eucharist is the actual blood and body of Jesus.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It is. I am Catholic and, I know this will sound heretical of me to the more devout, I've never seen the Eucharist as Transubstantiation. I never see it as the transformed body and blood of Jesus. ...

Anathema! Anathema!

Really, I know it's difficult to be both Catholic and rational - and you have all my respect for that.
I see the same all the time with my fiancee. She started as Catholic but nowadays she cannot bring herself to accept completely the Catholic dogmata - so she defines herself as Christian, more generically.

You know, I think I identify as Catholic because of tradition. Nothing more nothing less. I haven't stepped inside a church in years, to actually listen to Mass, let alone have Confession.

[Angleter]

Scientifically that is what it is, the Church recognises that, and nobody will seriously dispute that. So it isn't cannibalism/necrophagia/whatever.

However, I personally think it becomes Jesus' body in bread form, and his blood in wine form. Just as Jesus is God in human form.

Em, I think you misunderstood my point, Angleter. When I say I don't see the Transubstantiation, I don't mean it as me believing in it being cannibalism or necrophagia. Far from it. I know of it's symbolism, but I have never believed, as some Catholics do, that it is an actual transformation of the body and blood of Christ. My grandmother is one such Catholic, she believes that the Eucharist is the actual blood and body of Jesus.

Right. My point was that it is just as errant in relation to Vatican teaching to suggest that the Eucharist is scientifically a lump of flesh and a cup of blood as it is to suggest that it is merely symbolically Jesus' body and blood. It's more somewhere in the middle, whereby- as I said- the bread becomes Jesus' body in bread form and the wine his blood in wine form.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Em, I think you misunderstood my point, Angleter. When I say I don't see the Transubstantiation, I don't mean it as me believing in it being cannibalism or necrophagia. Far from it. I know of it's symbolism, but I have never believed, as some Catholics do, that it is an actual transformation of the body and blood of Christ. My grandmother is one such Catholic, she believes that the Eucharist is the actual blood and body of Jesus.

Right. My point was that it is just as errant in relation to Vatican teaching to suggest that the Eucharist is scientifically a lump of flesh and a cup of blood as it is to suggest that it is merely symbolically Jesus' body and blood. It's more somewhere in the middle, whereby- as I said- the bread becomes Jesus' body in bread form and the wine his blood in wine form.

Just checking.

[South Lorenya]

How about they just loosen up a bit and retcon christianity into saying that jesus is a bread elemental?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How about they just loosen up a bit and retcon christianity into saying that jesus is a bread elemental?

That would be quite hilarious.
The problem is that not many Christians would see the humor in that. They take their faith very seriously.

[Angleter]

How about they just loosen up a bit and retcon christianity into saying that jesus is a bread elemental?

Does this mean he died in the toaster for our sins? And did they put St. Peter in upside down?

[Vecherd]

My believes are of the Neo-paganist religion of Åsatrú

[Mullah Mohammed Omar]

I am a Muslim.

[Malikov]

How about they just loosen up a bit and retcon christianity into saying that jesus is a bread elemental?

That would be quite hilarious.
The problem is that not many Christians would see the humor in that. They take their faith very seriously.

Most people take their faith very seriously, Christian or not.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That would be quite hilarious.
The problem is that not many Christians would see the humor in that. They take their faith very seriously.

Most people take their faith very seriously, Christian or not.

Gee, I don't know. I've met Christians who are capable of taking jokes. Same as I've met Muslim who can do that too, not to mention those who adhere to other denominations like Pagan.

[Malikov]

Most people take their faith very seriously, Christian or not.

Gee, I don't know. I've met Christians who are capable of taking jokes. Same as I've met Muslim who can do that too, not to mention those who adhere to other denominations like Pagan.

Which is why I said most people take their faith seriously, Christian or not. Most people follow blindly, most people are ignorant of what they believe, most people can't take a knock against it. I'm able to say that I am not one of those people. Who's heard a good rabbi and a priest joke lately?

[Newest Accord]

I suppose he may have been Do you think it would matter?

Uh... yeah. I think that would be a pretty big deal, alright. Especially for Terraius, who believes all of that homosexual salvation stuff.

Psst! I came across something....Jesus and John a couple?
There's a lot of interesting material here. Surprising what you can find online on this issue. Here are three sources.
http://www.spiritrestoration.org/Church/All%20About%20Church%20Articles/Was-Jesus-Gay.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jegay.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Jesus

[Bondashk]

What a joke. Thats a bunch of rubbish. Wikipedia

[Kyr Shorn]

Wow... fifteen+ pages of debate over a fictional character and the various fanclubs dedicated to him...

[Bondashk]

He is not fictional

[South Lorenya]

He is not fictional

Ssshhh, the full line is "He's not fictional, the tooth fairy told me he's real!"

[Kyr Shorn]

He is not fictional

Prove it, and I wouldn't recomend using the Bible since it has been discredited as an accurate source for historical information.

[Newest Accord]

I am a Muslim.

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[Bondashk]

Not all historians have discredited it.

[Malikov]

I am a Muslim.

مرحبا
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